I have gotten an invite to meet with the team that will be putting toghether our #2 scion xA due out 2007 or 2008 . I leave early this thursday morning and only have a day to think about what could be done better to a car that is allready great!
I have my ideas, but before i leave i would like to print out and show them yours!
please fill this thread with your ideas for the next generation Scion xA! we only have 33 hours till i leave on the 18th. please think fast and post up!
peace tjd!

Scion floor mats- standard

moonroof option
AWD!!!

even better gas milege! :D

cruise control, what are they thinking not having it available as an option!!!

an optional v6! Or option for the Celica GT-S engine with a 6 speed!

limited slip, colder a/c i want frosty windows, tinted windows

straight up needs a sixth gear for sure and at least 20-30 more hp/tq. (trying to keep it realistic) :lol:

digital temperature guages for outside temperature (more important for the freezing parts of the country than anywhere else, i would think) and for internal engine temperature (rather than just red / none / blue)

xA + AWD + Turbo = Greatest vehicle ever created. Than enter it into the World Rally Championship and see how that works out.

Never will happen but I can dream can't I.

I would like to see these things:

01. Standard 1.8L from corolla.
02. Standard 4 Wheel Disk Brakes with ABS & EBD still.
03. Standard Seat Height Adjustable.
04. Standard Cruise Control.
05. Standard Better A/C.
06. Option for Celica 1.8L.
07. Option for Moon Roof.
08. Standard LED Blinkers in the mirror housing.

Then the most important things add all this & keep the price about the same. Also dont add to much weight to the car. Thats all I can think of.

1st: Keep the weight down, otherwise all other mods are moot
2nd: Increase power, either a higher compression ratio or actually making a low PSI turbo for this beautiful car.. like tbblizzard said, 20-30 hp would make a HUGE difference in this light/tiny car
3rd: 6 speed tranny out of the XRS/GT-S engine would be awesome (as would the engine) but I'm not sure how much additional weight it would add
4th: Suspension improvements like an independent rear suspension because there isn't much use in adding power if you can't get it to the ground
5th: 4 wheel disc brakes would be great, or at least parts available to do it with, from my research only a few cars have the hub size and center bore and rear discs to possibly pull parts from
6th: Cruise control would be nice, but I believe that is already an option for the 2005s?

THANKS FOR LENDING AN EAR!

- better A/C
- sunroof
- better color choices

Shayn

Auto climite control
leather...
Vw color gauges(red and Blue)

a) Red as a standard color. Not black cherry, red.

b) put a Scion badge on the WiLL Cypha.

non-whitening interior. I've got this little problem of every time I touch anything in the car it leaves a white mark on the plastic. Some more fabric

Standard equipment:
More power, even with a regeared 5 speed would be great -150hp ought to do it.
keep weight the same
Oil psi gage
water temp gage

Options:
AWD
Sport seats
OK, make the "More power" an option... I'd pay extra for it.
4 wheel disk brakes (they are on the Matrix and will bolt right on) make this madatory with the "more power" option.
Auto trans with "sport" mode for firmer shifts.

ken

Standard equipment:
More power, even with a regeared 5 speed would be great -150hp ought to do it.
keep weight the same
Oil psi gage
water temp gage

Options:
AWD
Sport seats
OK, make the "More power" an option... I'd pay extra for it.
4 wheel disk brakes (they are on the Matrix and will bolt right on) make this madatory with the "more power" option.
Auto trans with "sport" mode for firmer shifts.

ken

The matrix uses a 5 lug & we get a 4 lug. There is no plug & play with that. They have rear disks on the vitz over seas or so I have heard. Also to my list I need to add steering wheel mounted audio controls. Also how about a different HU with a front mount aux port.

1.) The larger guages from the XB.
2.) Floor mats standard.
3.) Radio with a turn knob for volume.
4.) New grill style. Looks too much like a dodge product in a rear view mirror.
5.) Painted body side moldings instead of the black plastic.

The most important thing is to keep the value pricing as is. The price is the greatest thing about this car. It is the best value car buy on the market right now. To many performance changes will price this car out of it's class.

forget HP i want lot and lots of torque!!! i want the peak torque band at 3K

may like 150 hp with 200 ft pound of torque

6 way power seats!!! that would be a nice must have opt...

*Cruise Control as an option

*More effective A/C

*Floormats standard

*Better rear-view-mirror visibility. The rear headrests block nearly all visibilty, and are a safety concern in my opinion.

*Another gear for the transmission. At highway speeds the RPMs are just too high, and the engine noise is too great as a result. The automatic should be a 5 speed, and the manual needs a 6th gear.

*More factory wheel options

*Restyle it so it doesn't get confused with the Daewoo/Chevy Aveo. Perhaps a new chrome grill, or something.

*Integrate the antenna into the rear glass like the xB

better gas mileage. at least get into the 40mpg range.

hmmmm....without raising the price, if it can be done a little more hp and torque, and longer gearing...slighty longer gearing. better gauges...and maybe a little wider stance.

1st: Keep the weight down, otherwise all other mods are moot
2nd: Increase power, either a higher compression ratio or actually making a low PSI turbo for this beautiful car.. like tbblizzard said, 20-30 hp would make a HUGE difference in this light/tiny car
3rd: 6 speed tranny out of the XRS/GT-S engine would be awesome (as would the engine) but I'm not sure how much additional weight it would add
4th: Suspension improvements like an independent rear suspension because there isn't much use in adding power if you can't get it to the ground
5th: 4 wheel disc brakes would be great, or at least parts available to do it with, from my research only a few cars have the hub size and center bore and rear discs to possibly pull parts from
6th: Cruise control would be nice, but I believe that is already an option for the 2005s?

THANKS FOR LENDING AN EAR!

have them add a high performance 4 cyclinder like the 2zz or 3sgte or 4ag.

Celica GT-S engine with a 6 speed!

I second that :lol:

Its 5:30am here in madison wisconsin, i am just about to print this out and then be on my way to elmhurst IL, elhurst toyota. you may all be cofident that you ideas will make our 2nd generation xA even better than our first. I will let you all know how the trip goes. Once agian xA owners thanks for speaking your minds!
peace tjd!

Its 5:30am here in madison wisconsin, i am just about to print this out and then be on my way to elmhurst IL, elhurst toyota. you may all be confident that you ideas will make our 2nd generation xA even better than our first. I will let you all know how the trip goes. Once agian xA owners thanks for speaking your minds!
peace tjd!

why dont we try to put a supra engine in there!! i would put it in an xb though cuz i want an xb super bad!!!

cruise control is an option at least it was at my dealership.

• better A/C
• Moonroof
• More storage bins in the dash
• Ability to change the dash lights to something other than amber

be real, guys. how much you willing to pay for all these nice add on?serious, xA+1.8L corolla engine = corolla S, that's about 15k, anyone willing to pay for it? xA+1.8L celica engine+6 speeed tranny = corolla XRS, that's more than 18k!! at the price point, scion isn't going to sell a lot of those.

for me, I don't need power, bring the japanese 1.3L ist over here, and sell it for 1k less, i will buy it. or get a hybird version of xA, i will pay 17k for that.

heh, a hybrid scion, that would be awesome.....cause no markup!! the prius is coming with a 4k markup, sometime a little less, sometime more.

I really agree about making an AWD xA. Keep the weight down, as I feel like that is the xA's strongest point performace-wise. If it had an ind. rear suspension and a little more poweful engine, we would have a real platform for performance in a really good looking car. I would buy that over an Impreza or an Evo any day! Imagine the recognition Scion would get in WRC!

i was actually thinking about that. having a car with a bunch of potential, like and awd, maybe a little higher displacement engine xA. that would cool.

I'd like to see a Hybrid version!

-glovebox box can be closed with key
-better A/C (starlet 1.3 has better a/c than xA!!)
-steering must tilt down more
-option for moonroof or sunroof
-better gear system (improve shifting and add 6th gear or better overdrive)
-fog lights
-little bigger fuel tank if possible
-hidden integrated antenna
-option for replacing the ovenlight box cover with an LCD screen
-option for add led flashing lights for the sunroof or moonroof from inside that works with audio HU like equlizer or something like that
-option for trd rims 17" because 19" is little big
-option for adding digital gauges oil temp or voltage level or airflow meter or speed or anything else

sorry for asking to much just ideas :oops: :D

Just so everyone knows....

The meeting has already happened. The author of this thread has printed it out and taken it to the meeting.

But please feel free to continue to brain storm "The Perfect xA" :D

yes keep posting your ideas about the 2nd gen xa. the design team from japan were thrilled when i handed them the the print out of your posts. "this is just the kind of input we need" they said!!!!
they also need to know what you love about your xa right now!!!!
i showed them this thread so now they no how to get to it pluss they are probably spying on it from time to time!! so please continue to brain storm!!!!! I do have there email so i will keep them up to date on this thread!!!!

As for how things went go to www.xscionwi.com and look in reviews. there you will find pics and an overview of what went on!!!!!!!!
peace tjd!!!!!!!!!

I have suggestion:

Borrow the IS300 fog light lenses, so we have nice yellow fog lights. Cheap, effective, and already in the Toyota parts inventory.

Another suggestion:

This suggestion isn't just specifically for the xA, but all of Toyota's cars. . .

We all know that alarms are meant as a deterent for theft, but it rarely stops a thief from smashing a window and grabbing some CD's. . .
I would like to suggest an uprade to the Scion Security system, as well as all Toyota's, what will help to move these alarms off the shelves and derive extra profit off these already highly profitable items.

We need interior protection: a well designed (cheap to manufacture) interior deterrent. It can't be lethal or dangerous either, so I suggest an audible deterrent. I high pitched, high volume alarm siren(1 or more) placed within the cabin, that activated upon intrusion. To prevent accidents, a two stage arming system can be used, via a code on the remote key fob, the door lock, or maybe an interior switch(which is then disabled after arming). Designing such a system would be VERY inexpensive, VERY effective, and would be a VERY strong selling point.

Another suggestion:

This suggestion isn't just specifically for the xA, but all of Toyota's cars. . .

We all know that alarms are meant as a deterent for theft, but it rarely stops a thief from smashing a window and grabbing some CD's. . .
I would like to suggest an uprade to the Scion Security system, as well as all Toyota's, what will help to move these alarms off the shelves and derive extra profit off these already highly profitable items.

We need interior protection: a well designed (cheap to manufacture) interior deterrent. It can't be lethal or dangerous either, so I suggest an audible deterrent. I high pitched, high volume alarm siren(1 or more) placed within the cabin, that activated upon intrusion. To prevent accidents, a two stage arming system can be used, via a code on the remote key fob, the door lock, or maybe an interior switch(which is then disabled after arming). Designing such a system would be VERY inexpensive, VERY effective, and would be a VERY strong selling point.

That would be nice.
Pros:
Better Protection.

Cons:
Ear Plugs.
Deaf Theifs.

Also once the theif is gone & your not around it would keep making noise & drive more ppl crazy. I think a loackable storage container would be much better. Also a system that when a window is broken would cut power to the whole car. The only way to restore power would be with a special key that is only ment to restore this power.

Yeah, I agree that lockable storage would be nice. . .
also realize that smart petty thieves do not exist.
The risk and the gains from petty theft are tiny, and no smart criminal would do this, let alone be smart enough to carry ear plugs. Secondly, factory alarms are much less prone to "false alarms" and would only go off when an actual intrusion happens, vs cheap aftermarket alarms or ones that are badly installed.

Smart thieves are the ones that go for the real deal car thefts. . . talkin the whole car. And at that point, there's not much you can do to defeat them, no system is 100% effective, I mean they can always steal a tow truck, wear some cheap uniforms and tow your car away, and nobody will be the wiser. . .

But on cheaper vehicles, your more likely to have your windows broken, and small items stolen. . .

Question:

Why does everybody want a Matrix? That has 4wd, looks slightly longer then a xA.. I really don't see a point of having 4wd, all it is is just added and unneeded weight to the car?

I dunno about 4wd, but would like to see a performance variant, to increase the company image.

The tC is great, but one car alone cannot carry the company image, similar to the way a Toyota Supra does not sell any more Camry's or Corolla's. . .

I would like to see a performance variant, being able to put down performance numbers that will win respect from auto enthusiasts, and I'm not talking about adding a very lame lip and slapping an "S" badge a la Corolla. It doesn't have to quite be a Neon SRT-4, but it needs to be relatively inexpensive as well, and that IS asking a lot.

How about the 1.5L turbo engine available in Asia? They run it in the Vios I've seen in Thailand, and I'm sure that with the trillions of baht being invested into increased production capacity can be exploited. Although some modifications are available at the dealer, adding a turbo would be too expensive in installation costs to draw the public into buying a car, and it doesn't get the same kind of attention. . . people want it to be at least half way decent coming out of the showroom.

My thoughts? Keep the current xA as is, plus a few small changed to keep us happy, like the ones listed above. . . nothing too drastic. But introduce a performance model by using any variety of the huge parts available from other Toyota's, and create a performance machine. I'm talkin at least 170hp, which is do-able. Independent rear suspension, and 4 disc brakes should be able to finish the job. I believe this would attract many more buyers to the brand, and having reached the showroom, most will opt for the cheaper version of the xA. . . it's all about marketing your "halo" car to sell the profitable "bread and butter" cars. Not to mention, if this is done to the xA, it could easily be applied to the xB as well, as it almost the same platform.

This is the design direction I would like to see from Scion, as I currently see Mazda as beeing the biggest threat to the company. It seems that every Scion customer has at least considered the Mazda 3. Even for me, it was a tough call. And to properly compete with a company that sells sport ("Zoom"), you don't have to make every car sportier; just a small handful. Most buyers want the image of a sports car. . . we don't actually want a REAL sports car. BTW I know this will really make a lot of you on the forums angry, but it's true. Realize that most on the forum are sport/car enthusiasts, and that those who crave huge power really represent a tiny % of buyers. . . but what's important is that we all want to have that image.

I'm a businessman first, a car enthusiast second.

^^ He does bring up some good points. Maybe have a base xA & like a said a sport xA. Have it come stock with the TRD Springs & Shocks. Also to add to the sport have the spoiler stock & have those side moldings body color. Also maybe a leather wraped steering wheel. There is a lot of things that could be done. Also how about a LSD, Turbo & the echo final drive.

It's true. I like sporty up to the point that it doesn't affect my fuel economy. Gas sure is expensive. And there are those of us who may actually care about the environment but can not afford a hybrid currently.

I thought I replied before - :D

I WOULD LIKE:
a no ABS option
adjustable seat height - or just lower it by 1-2 inches
lowered ride
move the stickshift a couple of inches forward - away from the driver - just a little - no too much! - there, that's it...
new color choices
sunroof or moonroof
new grill/hood area -- like the R1
need leather steering wheel

I KNOW OTHERS WOULD LIKE:
leather seat trim option
cheaper interior neon lighting
bigger wheels option

WHAT I LIKE ABOUT MY XA:
shifting is so easy
great that it's a 4-door + liftback!
love the torque on the engine - it starts great
ride is good at 80mph
turns pretty good
i like the strange short pyramid shape - makes it different
seats 4
rear seats fold down flat

That's about it for now...

It's true. I like sporty up to the point that it doesn't affect my fuel economy. Gas sure is expensive. And there are those of us who may actually care about the environment but can not afford a hybrid currently.

Yeah thats why I suggested the echo final drive with the turbo option. If it was all done right you might lose only 1mpg average the only down side is you would need to run 91 gas. In the extreme the turbo might make better gas milage. If it kicked out a good deal more power in the lower range the engine would not need to work as hard to get the same speed so I could see how that might happen to.

I don't know if anybody else mentioned this, but how about fixing the 1-2 shift on the 5spd!!!!! The shift is soooo slow, and it grinds easily if rushed!

we did talk about the speed issue at the meet. and forced induction to them seem out of the ?
how ever they did talk alot about larger displacement and a 6 speed tran!
they were some what suprized that their ist has any sport compact interest!
To them the xA is cheep & cool.
look the name of the xA game is weight vs power!
thats why we want it to be more sporty!
but will any of us give up our five doors for it?
i think when they came to the US they didnt expect us to be import speed freaks about the xa! I love my car and after you stiff, grip and breath yours you will feel the same. keep up the good work!
I get to meet Jim Farley tommarow, i will ask him about the 2nd xa if he has time or even shows up!
peace tjd!

Simply put, a real tuner car is what I would like to see. An AWD car would put Scion up in the ranks or Subaru, VW, Mitsubishi, ect.

Heh, I changed my mind. I repositioned my seating... again, and voila! What an improvement. How is this possible?

Anyway, forget about lowering the seats as I listed - I got it perfect now. I moved my seat forward. I guess the lesson is always true - adjust your seats so that your back is flush with the seatback. All the way from your lower-back to the back of your head - must be in contact with the back of the seat.
All other positions will fall into place once this is achieved. I still can't believe I improved my seating...

'Tis fascinating... captain.

...And wider tires (although not needed, looks good if rear tires are wider) (even though it's FWD)
...How about something like 205/55R16 - heh he, I just made that up.
...optional drop - heck I don't know, by 2 inches? would that work? Just an option - the standard would still be like a micro-SUV.
...moonroof would be great - there's room right above your head.

:D all that stuff would cost more. And yea, you could do it all yourself - 'cept moonroof.

Then, how crazy would a convertible version be?