Well here it is, the Scion xD

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/02/2008toyotaxd.jpg

To compare, here is the Great and good ole' xA :)

http://www.edmunds.com/media/seo/500/2006.scion.xa.jpg

I went to the Scion website and submitted a webform with my complaints.

It doesn't do much to complain on here, but if everyone makes themself heard to the Scion corporation (aka toyota) then maybe we can fix the 3rd Gen and bring it out alot sooner :)

This is what I sent.

First note, please foward this webform to whomever it may concern, for this is a complaint on the new models going to be released in 2008.

I bought my 1st Scion xA in 2005 and loved it. I bought my 2nd Scion xA to replace the automatic I had and love it more. This is the ultimate car in my opinion.

Why would Toyota, a company with great vision and vehicles, shame the Scion name with the xD? I saw pictures of the xD on the Autoblog.com website and I am thoroughly disgusted.

The new Scion xB is a decent 2nd Generation vehicle I have little or no complaints for this model in 2008.

But as you can see I am very upset about the replacement for the xA the Scion xD. I am extremely pleased however is it now called the xD and does not shame the xA's good name.

The C-Pillar on this vehicles is just pathetic. The 1.8 Liter in the vehicle is unfair, whereas the xB now has the tC engine. The xD gets a 1.8 liter? Why?

The biggest selling point of the original Scions was the fact they are "Exactly the same, but totally different." With the new xB and xD they are just only totally different.

Toyota may claim the xA as a failure since it sold half of what was expected. But this happened not because the xA was bad, but because the xB was so stylish and out of the norm.

The "Baby shoe" or "Wedge" design of the xA was classic, amazing, and totally cool and different. With this wannabe Versa/Fit it makes me sick.

I for one am very happy with my xA and will have nothing to do with the xD at all, period.

Next time, dont break xA's owners hearts. All we wanted was the tC motor, not a dysfunctional half-breed step child of a wannabe scion, thats ugly too.

- Jeff, Owner of a Scion xA.

They have not replied yet, they sent me a confirmation email with a reference number, and I have it saved on my comp.

All we wanted was the tC motor right? Not some freakish HHR/Versa love child.

xD haters unite! (BUT IN DEFENSE) I am glad they made it xD and not 2nd Gen xA then I would really feel like I got jipped.

Scion.com's Webform (https://secure.scion.com/scion/ssl/contact/contactForm.do) Just enter I would like to tell you an expirence with Vehicle Sales. (they will foward it, like they did to me)

Unless someone on here knows a better way to contact and complain, please share if you do :) (be sure to vote above)

*NOTE* Remember to keep it clean and orderly, or they and Scionlife will not listen to us.

I like it....and I think I'm the only one haha

I like it....and I think I'm the only one haha

Everyone is entitled to their opinion :) Im glad you like it.

I guess im just Die-Hard xA all the way.

the rear end looks like a dodge caliber and the front end looks like a frog they should have it painted frog green ribbit ribbit ribbit ribbit

I actually don't get exaclty what it is you dislike based on your letter...the C-Pillar...and you think the 1.8 is "unfair"? in what way?? You should be more detailed and less opinionated (in my opinion :D ) And - isn't it a bit early to write a complaint if you've never even sat in one, or even seen a 360 view of one?

the more and more pictures of it i see i still not a fan of the back of the xD but i'm starting to like it alot... even the rear seats are adjustable!!!

I like it....and I think I'm the only one haha

I like it too. :D

I agree with everything you said but as if it were talking about the new xB. I think both new models suck. I want a tC engine in my old xB. Why are there now two different body styles for a bB and xB? Somebody at Toyota is smokin too much crack or just not paying attention to their customer's preference. The old xA and xB body styles are classics and will always be but what there is is what there is now. There will never be any new old xA's or xB's. A single tear rolls down my cheek.

If they just spent time figuring how to put all the good things from the new models into the old models i.e paddle shifter, adjustable rear seats, HID, rear disc brakes. It's like they put all the good stuff we get from Japan to put in our cars and made a new car for the parts. Why can't they just put out the old body styles with all the good Japanese stuff. My goal when modifying my xB was to make it look the way i thought a stock xB should look off the lot. That means clear corners, hood dampers, dual exhaust, E'sam's, blue mirrors, LED tails, mesh grille, gunmetal rims....basically as close to the bbX as i could get. Sorry for babbling. I'm done now.

I like it....and I think I'm the only one haha

I like it too. :D

Mee three......In fact I like both of them! So what if the are kind of funky looking......They are Branded Scions and I welcome them to the family and the community....Outsiders of the community have doged on us because of the looks of the Scion models and I am sure that the trash talk from other auto communities will only increase with the release of the new models......Haters are my motivators....
Welcome xD and new xB....You retarted looking brothers..I welcome you!

I like it....and I think I'm the only one haha

I like it too. :D

Mee three......In fact I like both of them! So what if the are kind of funky looking......They are Branded Scions and I welcome them to the family and the community....Outsiders of the community have doged on us because of the looks of the Scion models and I am sure that the trash talk from other auto communities will only increase with the release of the new models......Haters are my motivators....
Welcome xD and new xB....You retarted looking brothers..I welcome you!

:rofl:

I don't like the rear, with the large rear pillar and the oddly sloping window.

I like it 2!
But I wish they just made a new addition instead of replacing.....
Imo of course!

like i said in a previous thread... the lip kit on the 5axis xd really makes the front end look better than the xa. that being said... you didn't have to replace the bumper... or add anything to it to make it look cool. i would love to have paddle shifters on my xa... other than that i'm completely satisfied with my xa... i'll finish payin it off and by then hopefully we'll have the third generation scions to look forward to... or a reincarnation of the supra.

I like it....and I think I'm the only one haha

I like it too. :D

Mee three......In fact I like both of them! So what if the are kind of funky looking......They are Branded Scions and I welcome them to the family and the community....Outsiders of the community have doged on us because of the looks of the Scion models and I am sure that the trash talk from other auto communities will only increase with the release of the new models......Haters are my motivators....
Welcome xD and new xB....You retarted looking brothers..I welcome you!

:rofl:


You know what I mean Capt......I wanna trade my tC for and new xB and call it Gimpy!

Its gonna be like a stupid cousin.....hes just dumb but hes in the family so you have to love'em

I like it....and I think I'm the only one haha

I like it too. :D

Mee three......In fact I like both of them! So what if the are kind of funky looking......They are Branded Scions and I welcome them to the family and the community....Outsiders of the community have doged on us because of the looks of the Scion models and I am sure that the trash talk from other auto communities will only increase with the release of the new models......Haters are my motivators....
Welcome xD and new xB....You retarted looking brothers..I welcome you!

:rofl:


You know what I mean Capt......I wanna trade my tC for and new xB and call it Gimpy!

Its gonna be like a stupid cousin.....hes just dumb but hes in the family so you have to love'em

Indeed I do Taco. I have love for all Scions....even if they don't look the way I'd like 'em to.

Besides....my retarded cousin is freakin' hilarious. :D

UGLY!!!!


New XD, :ttth:

"Old School" XA, :bow:

Well i am glad the xD is not a 2nd Gen xA, then id be ape poop nuts right now :p

just give us another xA with the tC motor and rear discs w/ optional sunroof and there is the perfect car :)

even just rear discs and id be happy.

It's basically a Versa with a body kit. FUGLY.

Frankly, I like the xD a lot more than the xA. I HATED the xA, and the changes they made to the xD makes it so desireable, to me at least.

Why do you want the 2.4L in the xD? It's a FUEL HOG. Frankly, I'm disappointed the xB uses the AZ instead of the ZR. For a subcompact car meant for more in-city kinds of uses, why do you need such a powerful motor? For a car designed for people in college or just out of college, wouldn't better fuel economy be more desirable? This is still a Yaris-based car. The 2.4L would drive the price up, too. The xD is already going to cost more than the xA. With the AZ, it would cost a lot more.

What you wanted out of the xD defeats the idea of an affordable, practical, subcompact car designed to be appealing for 18-24 year olds. An engine that's powerful enough and doesn't chug gas while not making the car too expensive and a basic, utilitarian design. The xA's motor only needed more grunt, and you really can't have the car looking identical to its predecessor. You don't like it? Don't buy it. No one ever said you had to like it, and no one ever said you have to buy it.

the 1.8 l is a decent engine, it powered the last generation of toyota celicas didn't it? it also helps keep the lineup balanced in price and purpose. the xd is the entry level with the more affordable fuel effiencent model. now that the xb has a loyal following, make that model something more to aspire to with bigger size, engine and bolder looks. while the tc is hot looking sporty coupe with the cool roof. i for one can't wait for the new tc to come out because it will probably be better. and if it isn't, it will make my car even more desirable.

and remember to welcome next gen xb and xd owners with open arms because they are still our brothers and sisters!

the 1.8 l is a decent engine, it powered the last generation of toyota celicas didn't it?

No, it didn't. It's a new engine.

Honestly I love my xa! I'm glad I bought it and i plan on owning it untill toyota comes out with something that I fall in love with like I did with the Xa! which will probably take 4 years or more. But from a marketing stand point the xd will be huge! its a step up from a yaris and a step down from the xb

with the current generation of xa and xb they are almost the same car! Also they Are almost the same price. Thats why the Xa failed. I think the xd has a fighting chance unlike the xa!

with the current generation of xa and xb they are almost the same car! Also they Are almost the same price.

I've been waiting for the new xA for nearly a year now, and I agree - it's too much like the xB. I'm sure they had to change the bonnet to accomodate the new engine, but the new design looks like a pig. With a bodykit & wheels it looks pretty spiffy, but frankly what wouldn't? After all is said and done, I've finally decided the new xD bodystyle is horrendous... Look at one next to a Honda Fit and you'll see what I mean: the old xA bodystyle could compete but not this new snub-nose one!

yes! i agree xA has way better styling!

Im so drunk right now,, i love hefeweizen :p

but, xd is its own car now, xa remains the classic :)

Are you kidding me. How could you speak so highly of the XA and completely bash the XD. Doesn't make any sense. Its going to faster than the XA, it has Dual VVTI, still retains most of the shape of the XA, and I think it looks ten times better than the XA. Wait for the body kits to come out on this one. Scions whole philosophy is to keep the brand fresh and brand new to the market . Duh thats why they've been so sucsessful in the past 3 years. Who wants to buy a 5 year old body style, when they can keep changing and improving the design. I think we should embrace the new design and watch the scion brand grow like never before.

The xA looks like a girly car compared to the muscular looking xD. The xA's shapely lines have a very feminine appearance.

I've seen many body kits for the xA (Kenstyle, etc.), and the FiveAxis kit on the xD makes it look better than any xA with a body kit.

And another thing. The xA was not a successful car! It was supposed to be the more popular car in the Scion lineup, but ended up being the least popular. I have read too many articles by auto industry journalists who branded the xA as anything but a success.

i think the car is going to be a solid seller for scion, should be interesting to see if it catches on with the aftermarket though :D

I love the xA. I don't mind the xD. I like the idea of a larger engine but dont like the drop in mileage. The xD does look a bit like a Yaris 4-Dr but it does have it own thing going on. I would have liked to see a 3rd gen. xA but it just wasn't selling. That makes us xA owners that much more unique! Yay us!

I don't understand why so many folks are defending the xD by bashing the xA. I have my own wish list for the xA. 6-speed manual, sunroof, leather interior, cruise control... Other than that... subjectively? I think the xD looks too much like a compromise. Like how the xB was targeted to the young'uns and you see a lot of grey hairs behind the steering wheels. I think the xD is going to appeal to the older set, as well.

Something about the xA made me buy it, in spite of my dislike of the xB style. I wouldn't own an xB or a tC. There was just something about the xA.

Washed it again this morning on the way into the office.

...and what's with the guages? I love the center cluster!? Is there that many people who don't/didn't like the setup on the xA? And if so, why bring it to the new xB? Well... yes the new ones on the xB are not even close to the xA's but....... it's still in the center?

From a financial standpoint, dumping the center gauges probably made sense. I got used to them in no time and think it is easier to read the center gauges than standard gauges. I think it is a better design.

However, I've seen alot of people who don't own Scions but were in the market for similar cars who complain about the center guages. They won't give it a chance and won't buy the car because of the center gauges.

There are people who won't buy the car if it has center gauges. I doubt there are that many people who would buy the car just because of the center gauges (although there are obviously people who love the center setup).

Anyway, it sucks but it is tough to get people to try something different, even if it is better. People are just use to the old setup. It probably won't be changing anytime soon.

I just baught an Xa

Ok, the Xd has some nice feature such as more horsepower and side curtain airbags.

The Major Downfalls.

1. It looks like an old Hyndai
2. Worse Gas Milage
3. Smaller Gas tank
4. No nice curves like the Xa has
5. The interrior of the Xa is nicer.

Are any of these 5 points incorrect ??????

Stock i think its ugly but it looks dope with a drop and some rims.

I was hoping for something like a convertible or something new and different, not just the second gen xa, but what can ya do..

its not good at all, but I guess its better than the xa..

I just don't think its sporty looking. The snub nose makes it look pretty ugly, even with the body kit. The xA really defined what a sporty looking hatchback should look like, IMO. And now that it's finally catching on with the Fits selling out left and right while looking worse, Scion goes and discontinues the xA. Strange world.

I like it. The size is still a little smaller then I need, just very good for someone looking for a small size car. Also with the 1ZZ-FE engine stock... There could be a chance at a 2ZZ-FE 6spd gt styled release in the future for the xD or people just doing a engine swap..

As for gas milage...

2006 Corolla 1ZZ-FE = 32/41 5spd
2006 Corolla 2ZZ-FE = 26/34 6spd
2006 xA 1NZ-FE = 32/37 5spd

So if the xD has about the weight of a rolla.. It would be sound to say it should get better milage then current xA's