Hello,
Not looking to do some crazy street racing or anything but wondering if a Manual tC would run me a few times a variable speeds. Stock or Intake/Exhaust fine. Only reason is because I beat a B16(w/mods) a few times and he says he woops on Manual tC's all the time so I just wanted to see what was faster.

If you dont agree or feel negative about this thread, please keep your comments to yourself.

Thanks.
Ophra

im so lost... what are you asking? what mods do you need to beat a manual tC? Do you have an auto?

i would, but i live all the way by LAX...

hey ophra, are you lookin for a somewhat modded tc or bone stock cinco speed?

ok.ok. I would like to race a 5-speed(manual transmission) tC. I would like this "manual transmission" to be stock or close to it(no more than intake/exhaust).

Hello,
Not looking to do some crazy street racing or anything but wondering if a Manual tC would run me a few times a variable speeds. Stock or Intake/Exhaust fine. Only reason is because I beat a B16(w/mods) a few times and he says he woops on Manual tC's all the time so I just wanted to see what was faster.

If you dont agree or feel negative about this thread, please keep your comments to yourself.

Thanks.
Ophra

Lets see..the reason why u are beating a "B16" is cuz 1) tC's have torque and 2) mostly reason.........he/she is a ricer and can't race for ish.

Is this B16 car a civic, tegy, or prelude? I'm pretty sure the driver is the main cause of why he/she is losing to a tC. Tires come next and a poorly tuned car is last....maybe engine life.

yo that is nuts i haven found any civic to be even keepn up wit me i have a bone stock manual tc i smash on new 06-07 si they cant keep up

Come to the Q some time for RaceLegal.com

I only have a Fujita CAI/TRD exhaust. And one of my friends is bone stock. We plan on running more often now, since last Friday was our first time and we had tons of fun!

yo that is nuts i haven found any civic to be even keepn up wit me i have a bone stock manual tc i smash on new 06-07 si they cant keep up

only 2 post.................hmmm................ :lalala:

^^^^^^^what that mean only 2 post

nothing. it means u only had 2 post at the time.
jus seems a lil fishy that u had 2 post and quik to talk about beating other cars, specially hondas.
but owell.

nevermind.

WELCOME TO SCIONLIFE :clap:

no i agree special.. what is done to your tC, taktics?.. cuz i have a few friends that would whoop on your tC, bro..

all i have is an exhaust and intake so if you wanna run it against me then im cool with that

I dont know about beating the new SI's :eyebrow: but the numbers will say that Honda's still have the power advantage.

197-hp, 2.0-Liter, DOHC i-VTEC® 4-Cylinder Engine
2.0-liter, dual-overhead camshaft K20Z3 engine in the Civic Si produces 197 horsepower at 7800 rpm and 139 lb.-ft. of torque at 6100 rpm.

yo that is nuts i haven found any civic to be even keepn up wit me i have a bone stock manual tc i smash on new 06-07 si they cant keep up

did they know you wanna run? I mean that if someone boned out on me on a bone stock tc, I would be like "what the hell is he doing?"

The guy I raced was totally legit and a really cool guy. He has a 00 civic coupe, B16A w/ a short ram intake, Old school JDM DC header(dont debate this unless you know what it is), upgraded piping & a Vtec controller (SAFC I). Not to mention he also did the 5 lug swap with the Type R w/ Falken Azenis ST's and was on springs. We did about 12 rounds and I won 10. We both got out afterwards (being I used to own a ITR) we talked Honda. Guy new his stuff and said he dusted all his friends tC's. He gave me a ride, he did miss a shift or two at times but his car should have done the trick atleast a few times out of the 12(which probably counts for the 2 he did win).

I dont know about beating the new SI's :eyebrow: but the numbers will say that Honda's still have the power advantage.

197-hp, 2.0-Liter, DOHC i-VTEC® 4-Cylinder Engine
2.0-liter, dual-overhead camshaft K20Z3 engine in the Civic Si produces 197 horsepower at 7800 rpm and 139 lb.-ft. of torque at 6100 rpm.

Kirby knows how to read from the manufacter's book, :rofl: :rofl: JK.

The guy I raced was totally legit and a really cool guy. He has a 00 civic coupe, B16A w/ a short ram intake, Old school JDM DC header(dont debate this unless you know what it is), upgraded piping & a Vtec controller (SAFC I). Not to mention he also did the 5 lug swap with the Type R w/ Falken Azenis ST's and was on springs. We did about 12 rounds and I won 10. We both got out afterwards (being I used to own a ITR) we talked Honda. Guy new his stuff and said he dusted all his friends tC's. He gave me a ride, he did miss a shift or two at times but his car should have done the trick atleast a few times out of the 12(which probably counts for the 2 he did win).

B16's are known to have very low torque. I know, my cousin has one, SI. If it was a B18, like that from a tegy gsr or type-r, then it would be a different story. So ya, tC did smoke this civic and it was all due to torque.

tC=1
civic=0

8)

ill race you, im bone stock. its an 07 tho, but it dosent matter rite?

im in diamond bar/brea/pomona/walnut.. wherever you want to meet, but it would have to be somewhere seclududed.

also, you better watch out, ive been workin on my launches haha.


also, referring to the new civic Si, a tC can take it from the getgo up to about 40-50mph, after that they start to pull on us and then kick the shiot out of us, anyone who disagrees, post a vid and thats the only way i will believe, even then i will still question the integrity of it.

either way, if you want to race, let me know.

ill race you, im bone stock. its an 07 tho, but it dosent matter rite?

im in diamond bar/brea/pomona/walnut.. wherever you want to meet, but it would have to be somewhere seclududed.

also, you better watch out, ive been workin on my launches haha.


also, referring to the new civic Si, a tC can take it from the getgo up to about 40-50mph, after that they start to pull on us and then kick the shiot out of us, anyone who disagrees, post a vid and thats the only way i will believe, even then i will still question the integrity of it.

either way, if you want to race, let me know.

I don't approve of street racing, but this is a nice challenge. SL holds no responsibility on this, alright. Cool.

ya, Si 06-07 can fly by after that speed........hence V-tec baby, lol. Vtt-i is only good for a couple of rpms. V-tec, however, lasts a long time.

Scion owner, but a honda lover :love:

street racing = racing on the street

racing in a secluded area = secluded area racing :P

ill race you, im bone stock. its an 07 tho, but it dosent matter rite?

im in diamond bar/brea/pomona/walnut.. wherever you want to meet, but it would have to be somewhere seclududed.

also, you better watch out, ive been workin on my launches haha.


also, referring to the new civic Si, a tC can take it from the getgo up to about 40-50mph, after that they start to pull on us and then kick the shiot out of us, anyone who disagrees, post a vid and thats the only way i will believe, even then i will still question the integrity of it.

either way, if you want to race, let me know.

I don't approve of street racing, but this is a nice challenge. SL holds no responsibility on this, alright. Cool.

ya, Si 06-07 can fly by after that speed........hence V-tec baby, lol. Vtt-i is only good for a couple of rpms. V-tec, however, lasts a long time.

Scion owner, but a honda lover :love:that why i told him to come down to the Q. ;)

ill race you, im bone stock. its an 07 tho, but it dosent matter rite?

im in diamond bar/brea/pomona/walnut.. wherever you want to meet, but it would have to be somewhere seclududed.

also, you better watch out, ive been workin on my launches haha.

either way, if you want to race, let me know.

lol, sounds good. Im pretty low on funds so we may have to wait for the weekend(friday pay day) to get our groove on cause I live in Mission Viejo (45-1hour drive).

I vote for a run with Ali, oprah. Or Joe if you want to drive to daygo.

ill race you, im bone stock. its an 07 tho, but it dosent matter rite?

im in diamond bar/brea/pomona/walnut.. wherever you want to meet, but it would have to be somewhere seclududed.

also, you better watch out, ive been workin on my launches haha.

either way, if you want to race, let me know.

lol, sounds good. Im pretty low on funds so we may have to wait for the weekend(friday pay day) to get our groove on cause I live in Mission Viejo (45-1hour drive).


whenver your ready.. im down to go.

I vote for a run with Ali, oprah. Or Joe if you want to drive to daygo.
Prince Ali? Whos Ali and Jo? i just know SN's.

< Joe.

The silver "JDM" tC that had a bBist.com decal only on one side of the car. :rofl:

I was at the Tustin meet when it rained before the meet and when the cop rolled a car and kept him there for like half an hour.. AND who could forget the CART + downhill slope vs CAR?? :rofl:

I vote for a run with Ali, oprah. Or Joe if you want to drive to daygo.
Prince Ali? Whos Ali and Jo? i just know SN's.

hey, if you want to call me price thats fine with me :P

but for real, my name is ALI.

joe is, joes06tC, the one tryin to get you down to SD

562 here (pico rivera). . . I could do it sometime next week. But you'd have to come up here. I'm too lazy and too tired after work to deal with the 5. . .

traffic = barftastic

I got dibs on the creator of this thread. If u can beat an SI, u'll handle anyone in here.......I think.

^did you guys read the thread right...I beat a "00" civic w /a b16 swap. Not a new SI.

^did you guys read the thread right...I beat a "00" civic w /a b16 swap. Not a new SI.

Oh, sorry..............u can beat any B16, lol. I'm so use to saying Si cuz of the B16.

................99-00 Si coupe of course. 8)

^lol......its not a Si either....I think someone else brought up a SI early on the thread but the chassy was probably a EX but he got the engine swap.

the new si only have 140 some torque as opposed to us tcs who are stok wit 160 so we have the advantage on them and plus were not far behind on hp and im not saying i beat them all i jus raced a few and i smashed on them so all im going on is what ive done so far and ive only had my car a few months

and one mo thing to me smashing on all civics i was referring to the new ones that are stock with maybe an intake and exaust not extreme mods ............

i saw a video of a si on a dyno. it has no gov. on it supposedly. it was doing 157-159mph on the dyno, i dont think it can do it on pavement but its much faster than our 127mph

You guys are silly making such a big deal about torque. HP is a function of torque. Torque is a momentary measurement; hp is a measurement over time. . . which is why it is used to judge acceleration.

Torque is like the amount of weight a body builder can lift. HP would be the amount of time it takes to move it.

We're not towing boats people, we are accelerating cars.

Now if you want to compare powerbands, then you might have a valid claim. Race cars (like F1) don't make squat for torque, but they make tons of HP at high RPM's (high HP is usually created at high RPM's). Gears are those nifty little things that turn that HP into practical power. You can pretty much created as much torque as you wanted with the proper gear set and enough HP. That's why you can undo a tough bolt with a longer wrench (you use a lever arm, or gear, to utilize HP (work over time/distance) to create torque).

Don't get me wrong, torque is good. But you guys seem like the tC's good torque numbers make it the fastest car in the world. Especially considering our low revving engines, I' gladly take a 30hp bump over a 30ft/lb bump.

Also note, there is a REASON why gears are supposed to shift shortly after peak HP (to maximize the peak HP band) than the peak torque band.

You guys are silly making such a big deal about torque. HP is a function of torque. Torque is a momentary measurement; hp is a measurement over time. . . which is why it is used to judge acceleration.

Torque is like the amount of weight a body builder can lift. HP would be the amount of time it takes to move it.

We're not towing boats people, we are accelerating cars.

Now if you want to compare powerbands, then you might have a valid claim. Race cars (like F1) don't make squat for torque, but they make tons of HP at high RPM's (high HP is usually created at high RPM's). Gears are those nifty little things that turn that HP into practical power. You can pretty much created as much torque as you wanted with the proper gear set and enough HP. That's why you can undo a tough bolt with a longer wrench (you use a lever arm, or gear, to utilize HP (work over time/distance) to create torque).

Don't get me wrong, torque is good. But you guys seem like the tC's good torque numbers make it the fastest car in the world. Especially considering our low revving engines, I' gladly take a 30hp bump over a 30ft/lb bump.

Also note, there is a REASON why gears are supposed to shift shortly after peak HP (to maximize the peak HP band) than the peak torque band.
.....wow......umm....that was a kill....how long did it take you to write all that?

HOLY HELL well roger

You guys are silly making such a big deal about torque. HP is a function of torque. Torque is a momentary measurement; hp is a measurement over time. . . which is why it is used to judge acceleration.

Torque is like the amount of weight a body builder can lift. HP would be the amount of time it takes to move it.

We're not towing boats people, we are accelerating cars.

Now if you want to compare powerbands, then you might have a valid claim. Race cars (like F1) don't make squat for torque, but they make tons of HP at high RPM's (high HP is usually created at high RPM's). Gears are those nifty little things that turn that HP into practical power. You can pretty much created as much torque as you wanted with the proper gear set and enough HP. That's why you can undo a tough bolt with a longer wrench (you use a lever arm, or gear, to utilize HP (work over time/distance) to create torque).

Don't get me wrong, torque is good. But you guys seem like the tC's good torque numbers make it the fastest car in the world. Especially considering our low revving engines, I' gladly take a 30hp bump over a 30ft/lb bump.

Also note, there is a REASON why gears are supposed to shift shortly after peak HP (to maximize the peak HP band) than the peak torque band.

whatever :ttth: . At least I know what the difference is.