Does anyone have problem at gas pump? Everytime I squeeze the trigger all the way and lock it, anti-overflow on nozzle kicks in and stops pumping just after a sec. I squeeze it, and I have to keep on holding the trigger halfway. :( I don't know if its the nozzle or my car, I goto different gas station and this happens A LOT! Its really inconvenience for me struggling with nozzle every time I pump gas.

i didnt want to post anything about this problem...because i thought it was my stupid ___ not knowing how to pump gas...but i guess i'm not the only one...anyone else wit this problem? has anyone found a solution? thanks...

right there with ya on that one ... I lock off the trigger 1/2way ... but if it's a station that it's all or nothing ... ya just have to stand there and hold the pump nozzle. Minor problem to me. A lot of gas stations around me are taking the locks off the nozzles anyway, so I still get stuck holding to stupid thing while my tank fills up.

Hah! I knew it wasn't just me. :shock: I had this problem from start, and I just thought it was just the problem with the nozzle. I think it may have something to do with piping on xB, everytime I pump, I hear whirling sound in fueling and when that happens, it stops, and when I squeeze the trigger slow and half way, you won't hear it. If this problem continues, I'll take it to the dealer and complain about it since it is not something MINOR, I might end up with bigger problem later on, it deals with GASOLINE I don't wanna take any chances. :?

SON OF A!!!!!!!!~ Okay I went to get gas for the first time yesterday and was like WHAT THE?????? I thought I must be doing something wrong!!LMAO!~ So its not me its the xb??????? That sucks!!! I hate holding the gas thingy!~ Getting gas is not my fav thing anyway. Okay found the one and only thing wrong with xb's ! They don't like to take gas!!~ :evil:

that whirling sound is the air in the gastank being pushed out by the gas filling your gastank... you hear the noise because it's being pushed out a small hole that you can see if you just take off the gas cap. what it seems like is that the pipe dia. is too small for both air and gas to be exchanged evenly when the gas pump is at full open. Unless that pipe is changed we're going to run into this issuse. The US uses high flow gas pumps and our little tanks can't handle it. It's not something that is going to hurt your car, and I wouldn't expect to see a recall on anything like this.

I have been wrong b4 so who knows... :roll:

When I first saw this post, I though you were crazy. I've had no problems at the 76 or Mobile gas stations that I've used.

Could it be the gas stations? Is there a certain nozzle type? What the difference between your XB's and mine that makes mine take gas with no problem if it is the XB?

Maybe someone could get on Scion chat and get some Scion input on the subject.

hmmmmm.......I don't know? but I am going to try dif gas stations now and see if its everywhere or just certain nozzles?? it really sucks!~

It's certain gas stations. That use to happen to me in the beginning but not anymore once I switched places.

Never a single problem...must be those sucky California gas pumps.

Ya, now you got me wishin' for 'vegas superior Rebel gas!! Woooo hooo. Man, I miss LV.

I've had the same problem.

if we all complain to scion, wont they help

This is something that has been driving me nuts...but it only happens at certain stations.
I'll talk to service and see if they have any info about this situation!

I think it is a station thing and a way you do it..

have you tried picking the handle all the way up when it is in there while filling? or maybe pushing it all the way down. I'm guessing if either were to have an effect it would be the first since it would aim the gasoline flow downwards and allow air to flow over it?

am I pulling ____ out of my ___? Where's Shoapajoe(sp?)???

i found the same thing. i was able to rectify it by swinging the handle all the way around, hose facing up, pump locks on full and stays put.i have no time to waste pumping gas. It seems that the way our filler necks are designed it a sharp angle that the neck takes that slows the filling of the tank, turning the nozzel around seems to align the gas flow with the fuel hose filler pipe, case solved! Bill 8)

This is something that has been driving me nuts...but it only happens at certain stations.
I totally forgot to mention this to my corporate rep when he was here today...I'll call him on monday and see what they have to say about it.

the 76 station i have been filling at lately has no air seal and it works fine.....

I just filled up a min ago and had no problems. MMM... I wonder if it is the stations. I was at the Chevron station and filled up with 91 octane for tomorrows dyno meet and it stopped when it was full. I don't understand why the stations you guys go to don't fix the problems.

The stations I go to are the same ones I went to with my Camry. Had no issues ever with any other vehicle until now. I am going to try a few things and see if I can't get it to work as I go to the card locks for gas and they send me a bill later and I prefer it that way over paying everytime I pump gas.~~~

Same thing here .. no problems with the camry I had.... I just set the lock to 1/2 way .. still doesn't take that long to fill the small tank ... I love it, used to pay around $22 to fill my tank, now no more than $16 .. and I can go just about as far between fillups ... woohooo

Ha--the other day I couldn't get my handle to stay in--I even went as far as to go up to the attendent as I was so ____ed off, I thought it was the pump...hahahaha.

I really think it's the pump--I don't remember where I had it happen to me, I think it was at an Arco...but see, i've filled up at other arcos, a chevron and a USA gas...but I only had it happen to me one time.

I tried really hard to get it to stay, but when I tried to lock it in, it would release...it got me so ____ed off. Finally, the attendant told me to make sure it was in all the way...so i shoved it down as far as it would go, and it finally stayed. But...i've never had that problem with any other car in the past...it seems extra hard to make the nozzle "stay down" in the xB.

I have the same problem, mine was worst though. I actually spilled about 5 gallons or more of gas all over the gas station. The overflow didn't quit!

i have this problem too... :evil:

I'm having the same problem

Does anyone have problem at gas pump? Everytime I squeeze the trigger all the way and lock it, anti-overflow on nozzle kicks in and stops pumping just after a sec...

You can see the problem by squatting down and looking just over the rear wheel. The fuel filler pipe is about an inch in diameter and wanders all over the place before reaching the tank. I very surprised at how well the gas flows, considering that it all has to go through that little tube!

George

go to your dealer.
its the charcoal canister that is causing the problem, it will be covered under warranty

go to your dealer.
its the charcoal canister that is causing the problem, it will be covered under warranty

i've only been workin on motors since i was 5 (first time i rebuilt a carb ... and have the pics to prove it :D ) and sure as hell havn't seen it all, but the charcoal canister causing the problem????? The charcoal canister filters the gas fumes from the intake manifold not sent into the combustion chamber (at least on every car i've ever worked on)

btw .... i've never had an issue with the xB .... but my toy pup has that issue at certian stations so i think it's a combo of toyotas filler design and pump nozzel design ... just my 2 cents :twisted:

well i've come across a solara and an avalon with the same problem and it was the charcoal canister that fixed it.
that might not be the solution but if you guys seriously believe that this is a problem with only this car and a combination of gas pumps then...... yea :roll:
go to the dealer, its not a problem with the gas stations, i assure you

I didn't even think about that, thanks mach5 That has to be the problem, I don't have the problem but other people can use the info :D

just trying to help out
oh yea, i'll be getting my xB scion in march as a graduation present to me :lol:
i've driven it alot and love it, much better than the echo

Wow! :shock: didn't realize how many people had the same problem. I just wanted to ramble about my frustration here. :lol: If there is a way to fix it, I'd love to get it fixed, but by so many people responding on this thread, it seems this problem is a COMMON thing for the xB. I'm guessing Toyota wouldn't consider any recalls or take my problem seriously at first, unless most would consider this a problem. At least I won't have to make constant trips to gas station as much as other cars. Is anyone consider this a BIG deal? If so, would you consider having this problem fixed?

yeah, certain stations and that air lock that is certain for me to spill gas all over my xb. It can be a pain sometimes. Bill

it only happens to me when the tank is completely empty....then when i try to fill it from empty, it takes a few tries before i can open up the gas nozzle full throttle. but if i'm just fillin it up from 1/4 tank or so, i don't hav any probs. :wink:

it only happens to me when the tank is completely empty....then when i try to fill it from empty, it takes a few tries before i can open up the gas nozzle full throttle. but if i'm just fillin it up from 1/4 tank or so, i don't hav any probs. :wink:


then i guess you know whats causing it for you :wink: :D

The same thing has been happening to me but only at certain stations. Thanks for the info guys

I have no problems at 76 or Chevron gas stations, but every Shell station I've been to does it. Shell sucks.

And you might as well ____ in your tank if you fill up at Arco.....

This is what we have to look forward to here in the east? As for filling it, ill let the gas station attendant do it, they pump fuel here in NJ. And, regular is going for about $1.29 here too ..... LOL .... alot more then you guys are paying to pump YOUR OWN fuel there in sunny Cali. :wink:

$1.29????

Wow. That's insane.

How come in CA, we pay more taxes, have higher costs of living, and everything still sucks? Our roads, our politics, you name it.
At least the surfing is good, and there's no smoking in bars!!!

I find myself tilting the pump upward thus making the nozzle tilt downward to be a solution.

Still it sorta defeats the purpose of having those thingamajgs in the first place since you gotta stand there and keep your hand on the pump.

But you guys get the first look and tast of the Scion line, so we get cheaper fuel, and some one to pump it for us! :wink:

But you guys get the first look and tast of the Scion line, so we get cheaper fuel, and some one to pump it for us! :wink:

True..true!

This is what we have to look forward to here in the east? As for filling it, ill let the gas station attendant do it, they pump fuel here in NJ. And, regular is going for about $1.29 here too ..... LOL .... alot more then you guys are paying to pump YOUR OWN fuel there in sunny Cali. :wink:

Yeah, but to get that price you have to live in New Jersey :cry:

High temperature today at my house: 75F
High temperature today at Trenton, NJ: 34F

'nuff said! :)

lol ... true true, but they have this new thing here, and its not the Saprano's! Its called heat! Works pretty darn good too, this from some one who wears shorts and a t shirt year round! :wink:

Anyone having this problem with their TC? It's driving me nuts!

Anyone having this problem with their TC? It's driving me nuts!

Yea man, My TC is doing it also..What you do is just pull the nossle out a lil and then pump..Works for me..

**** Keep the nozzle out by half *******
It happens when you stick the nozzle in too far and there is air in the gas line coming from the pump. Some how leaving the nozzled half way out cures the problem.

**** Keep the nozzle out by half *******
It happens when you stick the nozzle in too far and there is air in the gas line coming from the pump. Some how leaving the nozzled half way out cures the problem.
Thats how I fixed mine...also try changing stations...

filled up for the 2nd time today.. didn't shove the nozzle all the way down, left room to "breathe".. clicked on the latch for hands free filling up.. and nothing wrong at all..

might try that, leave some room for it to breathe..

I get sooooo ____ed with this problem at times. I can NEVER hold the damn trigger at 100%. I've even had it a couple times where the gas come out sooooo damn slow. I figured it was the pipings shape that causes this ----> the gas flows to fast and if the gas is not moving down fast enough the pump thinks the tank is full causing that annoying cut-off / bang :evil:

Wifes tC does it too. They should do a recall on this issue. We shouldn't have to turn the nozzle upside down to fill up the tank. What a PITA.

I've noticed this problem with my xA and it was frustrating me for awhile. I think I found somewhat of a solution, at least for me. I lift the pump upwards, while the nozzle is in the tank, and begin pumping and lock it. Then I just set the pump down slowly, and it keeps going with the lock on. I don't know why it does this, but it works for me. Anyone else try this?

It always bugs me when this happens.

But keep in mind that it's not just Scion, and it's not just Toyota. Happens across the board. Had it personally happen to me on GM, Ford and Volkswagen cars.

There might be something (charcoal canister? I doubt it) that will make it happen less, but probably nothing that would completely "fix" it.

I've filled up the tank on my tC 8+ times in the two months I have had the car. I go to the same station and have only had that problem occur once. It was very annoying but hopefully, it won't happen again. -Jayme

its definitly not the gas stations, im in ny and it always happens to me no matter where i go to fill up. gonna give the dealer and call and see what they say

yeah it happens with the box no matter where i go. and i never had any problems with my supra or any other car for that matter. well the old bug was a bit of a pain but for different reasons.

yup im having the same problem. :roll:

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20810&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

i found the same thing. i was able to rectify it by swinging the handle all the way around, hose facing up, pump locks on full and stays put.i have no time to waste pumping gas. It seems that the way our filler necks are designed it a sharp angle that the neck takes that slows the filling of the tank, turning the nozzel around seems to align the gas flow with the fuel hose filler pipe, case solved! Bill 8)

thank you so much xboxx/bill!!! it worked for me, i was about to take my car to the dealer to get this problem fixed... all u gotta do is just pump upside down, ppl look at you like ur a dick, but oh well, at least its gettin the job done, thanks again :D

i found the same thing. i was able to rectify it by swinging the handle all the way around, hose facing up, pump locks on full and stays put.i have no time to waste pumping gas. It seems that the way our filler necks are designed it a sharp angle that the neck takes that slows the filling of the tank, turning the nozzel around seems to align the gas flow with the fuel hose filler pipe, case solved! Bill 8)
thank you so much xboxx/bill!!! it worked for me, i was about to take my car to the dealer to get this problem fixed... all u gotta do is just pump upside down, ppl look at you like ur a dick, but oh well, at least its gettin the job done, thanks again :D

I wouldn't recommend this. I did this once and the gas started spewing out of the tank since the sensor was rendered useless. I just hold the trigger half way... I can guestimate the amount of gas I need to pump, so I just let it click...sometimes it seems the gas station is stealing my money that way..but whatever... :lol:

This has happened to me twice so far. Guess I'll try keeping the nozzle halfway out next time.

Has anybody gotten word from Scion HQ or a dealer about this?

Does anyone have problem at gas pump? Everytime I squeeze the trigger all the way and lock it, anti-overflow on nozzle kicks in and stops pumping just after a sec. I squeeze it, and I have to keep on holding the trigger halfway. :( I don't know if its the nozzle or my car, I goto different gas station and this happens A LOT! Its really inconvenience for me struggling with nozzle every time I pump gas.

I'm really surprised this is the first time people have noticed this. Practically every import I have driven has had this issue. The high flow pumps are a big part of the cause. I wouldn't worry about it.

I'm really surprised this is the first time people have noticed this. Practically every import I have driven has had this issue. The high flow pumps are a big part of the cause. I wouldn't worry about it.
Agreed. This is one of those haven't-been-driving-long "problems."

It's one of those things you get freaked out by "all of a sudden" in your teens or 20s, like when you first notice that mole on your back and you're certain you never had it before and it's gotta be a carcinoma, until mom finally brings out the photo of you on the beach from five years ago. :wink:

I, too, haven't ever had this happen to me before... foreign or domestic vehicle (i've been driving for 12 years). It hasn't been a *huge* problem for me though -- i've been filling up at the exact same pump every time EXCEPT this last time.

This last time, the pump clicked, and it hadn't filled all that i thought it should have... so i clicked it waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more - another gallon at least. When i got in and drove away, i was STILL not completely full.

more annoying than anything... i guess i'll just have to get used to it....
~jonathan

hey mikochu, so far so good, i've done it (twisted the handle around) about 4-5 times since that last post with no problems at all.

--TOO MUCH TOO READ--

But here's my post...

I got my xA and I didn't have any problems with this, about two months later it started and lasted for another month or two.

After awhile I either set the auto pump about half way or left the nozzle half in half out. It started to help, eventually it just started pumping at full force, nozzle fully in.

Don't know what to tell you guys. Have to figure size of tank, width of fuel tube, etc etc... Small car, small tank, probably happens with most vehicles of this size.

There is now a TSB to take care of this problem. I believe it replaces the gas tank and the filler neck. Just came out Dec.1st, go to your local Toyota/Scion dealer. Parts will have to be ordered.

There is now a TSB to take care of this problem. I believe it replaces the gas tank and the filler neck. Just came out Dec.1st, go to your local Toyota/Scion dealer. Parts will have to be ordered.

not according to http://www.corollatoys.com/TSB/Scion.htm

i think corolla toys may be a lil behind ya know a few days nothin major. worth a call to a stealership tho

There is now a TSB to take care of this problem. I believe it replaces the gas tank and the filler neck. Just came out Dec.1st, go to your local Toyota/Scion dealer. Parts will have to be ordered.

not according to http://www.corollatoys.com/TSB/Scion.htm

Then they must be slow on getting their info. It came out Dec 1st and it came from Toyota's Dealer Daily TIS site.

nice do u get free gas if u roll in with an almost empty tank? hmmmm....

There is now a TSB to take care of this problem. I believe it replaces the gas tank and the filler neck. Just came out Dec.1st, go to your local Toyota/Scion dealer. Parts will have to be ordered.

not according to http://www.corollatoys.com/TSB/Scion.htm

Then they must be slow on getting their info. It came out Dec 1st and it came from Toyota's Dealer Daily TIS site.


Ok....so whats the TSB number? Not trying to be a pain in the ___ but people on this site are notorious for claiming left and right everyone and their mother told them the tC has a new TSB out for anything and everything. It's virtually worthless to roll into a dealership without a TSB number because half the time they don't know about them.

TSB EG049-04 November 19, 2004
Fuel Nozzle Clicks Off Before Tank Is Full
Applicable Vehicles: 2004-2005 model year Scion xA and xB vehicles produced BEFORE the Production Change Effective VINs shown below.

Scion xA Takaoka Plant JTKKT6#4#50103217
Scion xB Takaoka Plant JTLKT3#4#50202999
Scion XB Central Plant JTLKT3#4#54007594

WTF...why doesn't that apply to the tC? Gah, that aggravates me.

-thanks for posting it-

Well I've tried different solutions and nothing seems to work everytime. I even get different results at the same station. Oh well... if they issued a TSB for the tC I would take it up to the dealer and have them check it out. Without that, I doubt I'd get very far.

damn i gotta go out an check my vin. ____e. i hope mine is covered cuz it clicks like a mofo

ohohohohohoh cool i might fall under a campaign. thanks for the vins!

The service writer I deal with is ordering the parts for me since my vin is affected.

I just got the lava back from having this done. It took less than three hours and they didn't fill up the tank, only gave me back what I had in the old tank. Which was good, cause I was able to test filling it up.

So, get this.. I put the nozzel ALL the way in and pulled the handle ALL the way back and it didn't tiurn off until the tank was FULL!

I'm respectable at the station again!!! I'm off to try and find the thread I was looking for on this :)

TSB EG049-04 November 19, 2004
Fuel Nozzle Clicks Off Before Tank Is Full
Applicable Vehicles: 2004-2005 model year Scion xA and xB vehicles produced BEFORE the Production Change Effective VINs shown below.

Scion xA Takaoka Plant JTKKT6#4#50103217
Scion xB Takaoka Plant JTLKT3#4#50202999
Scion XB Central Plant JTLKT3#4#54007594

ok, so if my vin starts JTKJT324x501..... does that mean my has that recall?

I dont know what "#" it means. does it mean if there is number in between or space or actually number sign?

Sorry i have NO clue about vin numbers! I have that problem too .... pump shots off before tank is filled up.

also, as a side note ... what numbers in my VIN represents when my car was made????
Thanks

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=39247&highlight=tsb%2A There's the thread I was looking for... it's been locked :)

I think that # means ANY number in that position qualifies. So, yeah, looks like yours would be in there. The service guy asked my vin then called me back to tell me I qualified. They don't trust as, as they shouldn't ;-)

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=39247&highlight=tsb%2A There's the thread I was looking for... it's been locked :)

I think that # means ANY number in that position qualifies. So, yeah, looks like yours would be in there. The service guy asked my vin then called me back to tell me I qualified. They don't trust as, as they shouldn't ;-)


oh thank you so very much!!! now i can call and get that fixed!
Agnes

i think you all are retarded, obsessive-compulsive freaks.....this has happened to me in my tC...and in my jeep wrangler before that....and my jdm eclipse before that....and my chevy lumina before that.......my own synopsis is that as the pressurized gas flows out the nozzle, the backpressure in the filler neck causes just enough gas to splash back up onto(or into) the shut-off sensor and flip the mechanism.....I've found....by lifting straight upward on the handle of the pump, it allows the fuel to flow into the tank more uniformly...thus producing a full tank of gas before the nozzle shuts off.........

i think you all are retarded, obsessive-compulsive freaks..............

then if you call us those names why are you part of this board??? you are one of us then? LOL

I was under impression that this board IS to ASK questions and discuss things?

Correct me if I'm wrong

I thought I saw a TSB on this ... Or at least I think I did ... hmm ... -_-;; Anyways... Yeah... The problem is that when the pumping gas exceeds certain pressure, it would automatically stop. You guys should try to check dealer for TSB... As for me, well ... I bought salvaged Xb, so don't really have choice...(I think of this as a opportunity to work out my grip... =)

the fact that some people will run to the dealership over ANYTHING kinda aggrevates me....that's why i say obsessive-compulsive......i say retards because some people can't figure out how to run a gas pump effectively by using common sense.....maybe just too many type-a personalities around here.....

the fact that some people will run to the dealership over ANYTHING kinda aggrevates me....that's why i say obsessive-compulsive......i say retards because some people can't figure out how to run a gas pump effectively by using common sense.....maybe just too many type-a personalities around here.....

Calling people retards because they are willing to do the research to find out if there is a fix for a problem they are having is wrong. I had the fill up problem since the day I bought my xB and searched on here to see if anyone else had the problem and what the fix was. I did not complain to my dealer about it as it was random with the stations I use but once a fix (not a recall) was issued I called my service writer and asked if he would order the parts and have the tech do the work. In the repair they replace the tank with a new part number as well as the filler neck with a new part number. If there is a new part number with a change in design there was obviously something wrong. It is just not fatal.

Try going to a state like Oregon where they do not let yu pump your own gas and watch the frustration of the gas station attendant.

I guess I am a retard because I care about my car and had it FIXED.

the fact that some people will run to the dealership over ANYTHING kinda aggrevates me....that's why i say obsessive-compulsive......i say retards because some people can't figure out how to run a gas pump effectively by using common sense.....maybe just too many type-a personalities around here.....

Calling people retards because they are willing to do the research to find out if there is a fix for a problem they are having is wrong. I had the fill up problem since the day I bought my xB and searched on here to see if anyone else had the problem and what the fix was. I did not complain to my dealer about it as it was random with the stations I use but once a fix (not a recall) was issued I called my service writer and asked if he would order the parts and have the tech do the work. In the repair they replace the tank with a new part number as well as the filler neck with a new part number. If there is a new part number with a change in design there was obviously something wrong. It is just not fatal.

Try going to a state like Oregon where they do not let yu pump your own gas and watch the frustration of the gas station attendant.

I guess I am a retard because I care about my car and had it FIXED.

good point ... the gas station attendant takes their agrivation out of you/your car/your service .... so thank you for bringing that point out

and for me as woman ... i dont know much about cars ... so i was under impression "I" was filling my tank somehow wrong but actually no, its not me .... its car :-)

So thank you DEWMERZ for helping me :-)

yeah, i am going to NJ so i will have to deal with gas station attendants ... so i will see how it gets into them!!!!

What will be funny is the guys who will still occasionally have the problem, even after the "fix."

Someone will bust a bloodvessel.

lol see once in a while isnt bad it's when it's constant. mine only clicks if the nozzle has that compressed boot on it that it will click (about half the pumps in sac are like that)

There's a difference between having it happen once in a while and having to struggle to fill up every time.

Obviously, some people are way off base griping about people getting TSBs done. The warranty's there for a reason.

I'm amazed so many are having this problem. I almost wish I had not read this thread, because now maybe I'll start having trouble. (I've had no trouble thus far).

i only have a problem with my lava scion and my silver one i don't , but to fix the solution all you have to do is push the nozel in and turn the bottom to the right so the hose is by the trunk. 8)

i didnt want to post anything about this problem...because i thought it was my stupid ___ not knowing how to pump gas...but i guess i'm not the only one...anyone else wit this problem? has anyone found a solution? thanks... me too..... you just have to hold the nozle in the nipple thingy, and push harder into the nipple thingy with the nozle if it doesnt pump full.......lol u can tell its late...... im out

had this problem since day one of having mine and still do since I just filled up my gas. It also happens to my girlfriends box as well.

SCI_TC_GUY,

You have no idea since you bought a tC. This was more than a once in a while deal, this is EVERY time I fill the tank no matter what station. I can only put in, I can't even tell you how slow, the absolute slowest possible on many pumps and it still clicks. This can not only suck the big one when it's below 0 out, but it also leads to fuel spills since one can't tell if the pump means it THIS time when it shut off.

Or, if you could process information in any kind of logical manner, you MIGHT think that since they implemented a new tank and filler design and issued a TSB that this must not just be a few people with some silly problem.

people downplay by saying u just hold it to the right i like settin the nozzle in setting the auto and then sitting or somethin not standin there holdin it all sideways lookin like a retard lol i hate it i can just feel the people snickering at me

People are confusing two issues - sometimes pumps have a problem , sometimes cars have design issues.

Some people are experiencing the former, some the latter...

Try to remove the gas nozzle about 1/4 of the way out (3/4's of the nozzle should be in the neck of the gas tank). This helped me with my TC it might help out with your XB.

Hopefully this helped.

i get the same results some stations work fine and others just plan suck ___ and click off all the time :roll:

I'm gald I found this string, thought I forgot how to pump gas after almost 20 years of driving.
I'm setting up an appointment tomorrow. :D

yeah i guess its been answered but its some protection thing and all u gotta do is put the nozzle in like halfway but be careful cuz it might not stay in there all the way by itself :? i first noticed it on newer cars not just the scion... my sisters ion did it when she first got it and thought something was wrong but its starting 2 be like this on other cars as well.

I'm glad I don't have this problem, I think it may have happened two or three times but im sure it was the pump at fault. not as bad as my CRX sometimes tricked some pumps into overfilling my the tank until the gas sprayed out all over the place. talk about lookin like a retard

It doesn't really work like that. If you don't have an xB, you probally won't get. Its just a screwed up design that I'm gonna get fixed.

Glad to find this thread, thought I was moron with new tC and just had forgotten how to pump gas or something retatted like that. Will try the suggestions listed here in the hope that I won't have to have the tank and neck replaced!

It's certain gas stations.

For me, that's the case. Shell stations that have the older pumps give problems. So does Citgo. Never had probs at Chevron, 76, or Texaco. I refuse to use ARCO for quality reasons, and refuse to use Exxon or Mobil since they're more evil than other oil companies.

Anyway, my friend was able to help me pump at Citgo (he was like "just put it in more" and then made it work). So I thought i was just clueless. Glad to see this problem is beyond just me.

I just had the TSB for the gas tank done and it does fill so much better! Which is good in the middle of winter. But i have noticed a big drop in mpg. First tank full after the TSB went down to 22 mpg. Has anyone else had this issue? 22 seems damn low for such a new vehicle.

I did not notice any cahnge in MPG when they did mine. I'm not even sure haow that would be possible.

I just had the TSB for the gas tank done and it does fill so much better! Which is good in the middle of winter. But i have noticed a big drop in mpg. First tank full after the TSB went down to 22 mpg. Has anyone else had this issue? 22 seems damn low for such a new vehicle.

The only way i could see this affecting mileage was if it affected the vent system.. and even then I am not sure of that effecting it. If it did affect the vent though, it should turn on the Malfunction light.

My mileage from day one with the tC was about 29 on the highway and about 20 in town. Not very good for a new 4 cylinder... but it does move quickly so I'll take the lower mileage :-)

I just had the TSB for the gas tank done and it does fill so much better! Which is good in the middle of winter. But i have noticed a big drop in mpg. First tank full after the TSB went down to 22 mpg. Has anyone else had this issue? 22 seems damn low for such a new vehicle.

The only way i could see this affecting mileage was if it affected the vent system.. and even then I am not sure of that effecting it. If it did affect the vent though, it should turn on the Malfunction light.

My mileage from day one with the tC was about 29 on the highway and about 20 in town. Not very good for a new 4 cylinder... but it does move quickly so I'll take the lower mileage :-)

Although you'll still need to stand at the pump (the law in most states anyway), you can pull the nozzle back about half way to the point the air holes are just inside the restrictor door and pump at full speed. It's not like we are filling a 40 gallon tank for 10 minutes just about 45 seconds to a minute from empty. :P

I refuse to use ARCO for quality reasons,

What quality reasons?

What quality reasons?

Every other car I've filled with ARCO seems to run poorly on it. Some people say "gas is gas," but some just seems different with ARCO

I just stand there anyway and pump it while holding the handle. I never learned any differently. Doesn't take too long at all, and I like to be active in ALL parts and going on's concerning my tC, including pumping. I like pumping.

i just got my gas tank replaced by scion free of charge. it did the trick

could this be done at any dealer? or do u have to go where you bought the car?

any toyota dealer

Just got it done, huge difference, nice to be able to let go of the handle. No idea on mileage thusfar.

Just got it done, huge difference, nice to be able to let go of the handle. No idea on mileage thusfar.

Amazing, isn't it? :clap:

OKAY! i have the gas pumping problem with my xa and it looks like my car falls under this "TSB."

what's a TSB?

...its the gas station ....switched....no probs now..

i am kinda use to it with my gas tank .........ok here is what i do ? ....... i dont put the whole thingy into my gas tank ......because then that problem accures ...........so put it like half way in and squeez the gas as much as u can and it wont stop :)............

Take your gas cap and stick it sideways into the handle area. It's a stupid way to do it, but it works.

Jeez........Why not just get it fixed and not have to hassle with it anymore?
If it was the station why would Toyota come out with a TSB to fix it?
I've had it done, it makes a world of difference.
Just do it! (it doesn't cost you anything)

Jeez........Why not just get it fixed and not have to hassle with it anymore?
If it was the station why would Toyota come out with a TSB to fix it?
I've had it done, it makes a world of difference.
Just do it! (it doesn't cost you anything)

sounds good.

the fact that some people will run to the dealership over ANYTHING kinda aggrevates me....that's why i say obsessive-compulsive......i say retards because some people can't figure out how to run a gas pump effectively by using common sense.....maybe just too many type-a personalities around here.....

Calling people retards because they are willing to do the research to find out if there is a fix for a problem they are having is wrong. I had the fill up problem since the day I bought my xB and searched on here to see if anyone else had the problem and what the fix was. I did not complain to my dealer about it as it was random with the stations I use but once a fix (not a recall) was issued I called my service writer and asked if he would order the parts and have the tech do the work. In the repair they replace the tank with a new part number as well as the filler neck with a new part number. If there is a new part number with a change in design there was obviously something wrong. It is just not fatal.

Try going to a state like Oregon where they do not let yu pump your own gas and watch the frustration of the gas station attendant.

I guess I am a retard because I care about my car and had it FIXED.

good point ... the gas station attendant takes their agrivation out of you/your car/your service .... so thank you for bringing that point out

and for me as woman ... i dont know much about cars ... so i was under impression "I" was filling my tank somehow wrong but actually no, its not me .... its car :-)

So thank you DEWMERZ for helping me :-)

yeah, i am going to NJ so i will have to deal with gas station attendants ... so i will see how it gets into them!!!!
eesh I'm going somewhere there is peace :nails:

OKAY! i have the gas pumping problem with my xa and it looks like my car falls under this "TSB."

what's a TSB?

Technical Service Bulletin. It's a notice to dealers that whatever needs to be fixed or replaced if the customer complains, not quite a recall as the problems are not dangerous, just annoyances like rattles, A/C not being cold enough, or a gas tank not accepting gas as fast as it should.

I had the problem in my Jeep, but not since i got my tC. I know with my Jeep i had to screw around with it until it would take the gas. The pumps withouth the vapor seal never gave me a problem.... anyways, good luck!

u just pull the nozzle out about half way and it will not lock up. Some new cars it does this but just pull it out a little while ur pumping and itll b a ok.

I know i'm a bit late on the subject but I figure I can add some of my knowladge to this. I'm a fuels tech for the air force so I know a little bit about how all this works. The cutting off is going to largely depend on the sation and condition of the pumps, how fast they flow and how much volume is being pushed through, cobined with the angle of your inlet valve the higher the rate the more backpressure and more shutoffs. Another factor is outside temp and fuel temp, the higher they are the more vapor you get and the more pressure that builds up in your tank and piping and without a proper vent it has nowhere to go so it causes the nozzle to shutoff. Theres no real fixing the problem other than slowing down the flow rate or replacing your fuel systems pipng with a better vented system.

I know i'm a bit late on the subject but I figure I can add some of my knowladge to this. I'm a fuels tech for the air force so I know a little bit about how all this works. The cutting off is going to largely depend on the sation and condition of the pumps, how fast they flow and how much volume is being pushed through, cobined with the angle of your inlet valve the higher the rate the more backpressure and more shutoffs. Another factor is outside temp and fuel temp, the higher they are the more vapor you get and the more pressure that builds up in your tank and piping and without a proper vent it has nowhere to go so it causes the nozzle to shutoff. Theres no real fixing the problem other than slowing down the flow rate or replacing your fuel systems pipng with a better vented system.

Not trying to flame you or anything but, if you haven't read this whole post you really shouldn't comment.

There is a TSB (Technical Service Bulletin) out on it. I have had it fixed, as have many others. Its just an inherrent problems that most xB's have.

I read the whole thing that was mainly for the tCs which if i'm not mistaken there is no TSB for. Maybe if youd read the whole thing you could have figured that one out.

I know you weren't trying to flame or whatever but I think I have the right to put my 2 pennies in when I wan't to and please don't say this thread wasn't meant for tCs because there were just as many tC owners replying to this thread as xAs or xBs. I'm not trying to be rude or anything but people on these forums kinda need to calm themselves on the thread policing, Its just possible that maybe someone has read a previous post or missed one that was posted 2 years ago and find it a tad easier to repost to get more up to date info or maybe would like to add some info to something they think might be relevant. This is a forum not your lifes work. We come here we get and exchange info and ideas, we shouldn't have to deal with everytime we post something someone wants to delete it or get chewed out because it was posted before on aug 15 1998 or something like that. All i'm trying to say is if the post isn't overly vulgar and demeaning in any way towards someone and its not offending anyone leave it alone.

My ole' man told me a long time ago that you shouldn't place the fuel spout all the way inside of the gas tank nozzle. I wish he was hear so i could ask him why...

But low and behold, I try it and... the auto lock works while refueling!

Toyota designed the hole to be smaller so that people didn’t accidentally try filling up with diesel fuel.

there is a service bulletin out for this. has anyone tried to get their dealer to fix the problem?

Make: TOYOTA
Model: SCION TC
Year: 2005
Type: PASSENGER CAR
Service Bulletin Number: 04904
NHTSA Item Number: 10011811
Summary Description:
DIFFICULTY ADDING FUEL TO THEIR VEHICLES. AN IMPROVED FUEL TANK AND FUEL TANK FILLER INLET PIPE HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED TO CORRECT THIS CONDITION. *NM

there is a service bulletin out for this.
Actually, I've never seen that problem with my tC. Maybe it's just the early VINs?

Used to happen all the time with other cars I've had...my guess is that they changed the gas pump laws in WA a few years back (stations no longer have those big "vapor return" things attached to the nozzle) and that made a difference.

I had the problem with my xA and took it in. They replaced the tank and now I have no problems filling.

I also have to add that my mileage has been consistently better since getting the tank replaced. (I know, it really shouldn't be related, but I have no other explanation.)

I attempted to have the service bulletin performed and the toyota dealership reported having no record of it in their system. they refused to look at my printout of the above bulletin.

TSB EG049-04 November 19, 2004
Fuel Nozzle Clicks Off Before Tank Is Full
Applicable Vehicles: 2004-2005 model year Scion xA and xB vehicles produced BEFORE the Production Change Effective VINs shown below.

Scion xA Takaoka Plant JTKKT6#4#50103217
Scion xB Takaoka Plant JTLKT3#4#50202999
Scion XB Central Plant JTLKT3#4#54007594

To expand on this, the TSB calls for the replacement of the following components:

Fuel Tank, replace 77001-52080 with 77001-52180
Fuel Filler Pipe, replace 77201-52170 with 77201-52270
Exhaust Pipe Gasket 17451-21030 (Exhaust has to be removed to remove tank)
Compression Springs (2) 90501-35036 (only if free length of spring doesn't meet spec)
Check Valve Gasket 77177-33010

When you're taking your car in for this work, be sure that you run the tank almost empty. No tech likes to have to deal with 10 gallons of gasoline!

George

scion corporate is claiming the NHTSA screwed up and that the tc does not have an official fix out. Can anyone confirm or deny this.

I fill up at costco, shell, and a chevron once. no issues here.

I have seen lists of the TSBs for the tC, and none included this one.

scion corporate is claiming the NHTSA screwed up and that the tc does not have an official fix out. Can anyone confirm or deny this.

They are correct. The NHTSA site shows a TSB that is supposdly for a tC, but the TSB number is for the xA/xB document.

I have this problem but my VIN has 5011 instead of the 5010 required :tap:

I had that problem twice, but the second time, I shoved it in deeper (hehehehehe)

did the TSB.....big differance!

I wonder if ALL vehicles within a model use ALL the same parts - same vendor / manufacturer - for each part!!!!! I've filled up at a number of different stations during my first 17,000 miles and have not noticed a premature shut off. Some pumps are more sensitive than others - but this is true with all the vehicles I've had the pleasure, or displeasure of.
My xB is a mid '05 model (don't know when it was built).

I've notice that my filler pipe is "loose". There's quite a bit of play fron side to side when I insert the gas nozzle. Haven't checked it out yet.

I was told one by a station that the problem with CA gas nozzles is when people "top off". This lets some gas enter the venting system of the nozzle and can cause filling problems for the next guy. He took the nozzle that I was having problems with, pointed it down with the filler spout touching the ground. He then pulled up on the rubber boot and shook the nozzle. A small amount of gas spilled out. Worked fine after that.

So when you top off, your'e giving back gas to the poor gas companies!

I could be wrong, but it seemed to work.