The Next Scion [Archive]

scionlife

09-06-2004, 03:49 PM

OK guys, I am just curious. What would you like to see from the next Scion vehicle? Leave your comments as replies, but be sure to vote in the poll.

scionlife

09-06-2004, 03:52 PM

xboxPS2

09-06-2004, 05:14 PM

i would really like to see a bB truck like the blue on in the gallery or the open deck.....that would be a good time without those stupid bars that make me think subaru baja.......should be one color....

Jeff

Placebo

09-06-2004, 06:52 PM

I think toyota should bring over those cool looking cars they have in japan. The scion brand should be the Americans way out of the usual crap trucks,suvs,coupes and sedans. Its pretty damn sad that Canada gets the vitz and Mexico gets the smart cars. We get crap!

the_saint

09-22-2004, 08:08 PM

I would like to see the Open Deck, or if not the OD, then something like Darren said...small, cheap, light & RWD. :D

chucksu

09-22-2004, 08:12 PM

A little hot hatch thats RWD :twisted:. Cant weigh more then 2300Lbs & must have at least 130hp.

the_saint

09-22-2004, 08:21 PM

A little hot hatch thats RWD :twisted:. Cant weigh more then 2300Lbs & must have at least 130hp.
Hmmm, sounds like an S13 to me :D

chucksu

09-22-2004, 08:27 PM

A little hot hatch thats RWD :twisted:. Cant weigh more then 2300Lbs & must have at least 130hp.
Hmmm, sounds like an S13 to me :D

:twisted: :twisted: Yeah. If toyota made something like that I just might need to buy that. Be nice have like the 1.8L in a RWD form then that way you can slap on the S/C. Then have the 2.4L as a option & the S/C for that also. So you woule have 1 car with 4 different HP ratings :twisted: :twisted:

the_saint

09-22-2004, 09:07 PM

How much does an 86 weight? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/mlsaint78/SMILEYS/naughty.gif
I came over from Nissan, so I didn't even think about the corolla

chucksu

09-23-2004, 02:07 AM

:? Not sure of that one. I got some stats from GT3, they seem close to real life at times. So for a Sprinter Trueno GT Apex aka AE86 is 925kg so 2035lbs. Still looking at GT3 it had 128hp & 110tq from a 1.6L engine. So using the new corolla engine you would only gain 2hp but 15tq. So it might work. Now that I see those weighed that much just think if they made a XRS model with a good deal of carbon fiber parts for even less weight.

Edit: some real stats on the AE86 http://www.j-garage.com/3510.htm

fr130

10-09-2004, 01:14 PM

The Tacoma price range is way off for first time buyers. Except the two door 3 passenger model. Not that practical for people who need a 5-seater.

A truck, two suicide doors that open independently. Seats 5-people (rear seating should be 4" more than the Tacoma access cab. RWD with Electronic AWD (at a push of a button or activates once it senses lack of front wheel traction/grip.

Powered by the 1AZFSE D-4 or the new D-4 180 Diesel Engine but in a smaller displacement to make it cheaper. Also better fuel economy. Standard TRAC and VSC. You'll need TRAC for the rear wheels with all the gobs of torque that this ScionLife Member wants and needs. :D

150-165bHP with 215-225+ lbs of torque (can be accomplish with a diesel or turbo diesel). 2006 is almost here as well as the new revised diesel fuel requirements. Max payload w/o occupants: 1500lbs with a towing capacity of 3500lbs (weight: trailer bed PLUS a road race ready xA or SCCA tC).

Available in M/T or A/T. Both shifters should be attached to the dash and not the floor. See Matrix/Corolla shifter placement.

The bed should fit plywood the size used to cover peoples windows during a hurricane. Push the rear wheels/wheel humps a bit outside of the bed so there is more width on the floor.

Weight of the truck: at or less than 3000lbs.

Price: ~$18000. Yeah it's going to get tough to sell the above specs at this price point. Maybe make the Truck at Toyota's Mexico plant. Dont do it at NUMMI. If it's done at NUMMI, GM probably would want one due to sharing contracts.

couper2

10-10-2004, 10:59 AM

Light, mid engine, RWD and quick 2 seater. Basically a cheap hard top MR2 Spyder. :D

hotbox05

10-24-2004, 09:44 PM

wow you guys are stretching it a 4 door rwd performance sedan. man thats the ____ that dreams are made of well almost. id say a rwd sporty coupe. think ae86 reborn!!!!! yes yes yes i've brought it back to life!!! ____ wakeup darren its me yeah umm dream ...... :cry: i'm pretty sure from a marketing aspect it'd be a cheap truck , or a cheap sedan . but i think that they're gonna bring over the allex , siento , or the will cypha

reybz

12-20-2004, 11:55 PM

rwd open deck that would be tight i would be all over it

firesquare

12-29-2004, 01:48 AM

the next scion should be a sick GTO/Mustang GT slayer!

call it the scion gT

KevinxB

12-29-2004, 02:17 AM

call it the scion gT

Nice idea, but there is already a Ford GT.

oneslowxa

12-29-2004, 02:51 AM

GotSkyline

12-29-2004, 04:16 AM

i want it Right Hand Drive too

utilityboxer

01-11-2005, 09:05 PM

i think a pick up would be different.

PeterBall

01-16-2005, 12:39 PM

isn't the bB comes with a semi-pickup-truck option? outdoor option?

bB626

02-21-2005, 03:05 AM

if toyota are smart enough, making an inexpensive RWD car will attract more young drivers (who are interested in drifting), therefore, more money for Toyota. BUT if more young drivers thinks they are cool and goes drifting into walls, then Toyota have to discontinue the car... IMO

Metro273

02-21-2005, 03:24 AM

I just bought my xB this weekend and I was told by the salesman that the next Scion was coming out soon. He had mentioned that it was going to be a "truck"... :)

wedgiesaurus

02-22-2005, 05:45 PM

cross over all day
that would be cool, a little scion that might be able to do some offroading!

mrbridge

02-26-2005, 03:38 AM

I'd like to see an AWD 3 or 5 door. I always liked suicide doors, so maybe they could put a fresh spin on it. Ideally, it would be an AWD sedan, short front end, and a trunk with ability to use rear seating to lug stuff. So a pseudo subaru I spose, without the ugly front end.

-s

f1nch

03-15-2005, 07:12 AM

oh how i would kill for a cheap ,light RWD coupe/hatch...gonna stop thinking about it b/c it will never happen again..ever!...well maybe when the new 240 comes out...bye bye toyota!

Rion

03-17-2005, 02:04 AM

I would like to see a more refined, slightly more powerful xB type vehicle with a real independent rear suspension....BUT...

I suspect what we are going to get is some kind of SUV-crossover thing. SUV's are WAY to popular for Toyota(Scion) to ignore.

JMD83

03-24-2005, 03:34 PM

Convertible coupe with RWD... Forced induction option (Turbo/Supercharger)... Six speed manual gearbox with similar gearing to what our cars have now only and extra gear for highway stuff...

mypursuit

03-26-2005, 07:59 PM

It would be sweet to get 70mpg with a little TDI action..huh

imthewalrus37

05-16-2005, 04:58 PM

I would agree with a RWD, performance coupe

jrv2000

06-18-2005, 10:02 PM

I think a performance 4 door sedan would be cool.

Fixtion

06-18-2005, 10:27 PM

RWD 4-Door Performance Sedan . . . Mini IS300 ? hehe The step into the lexus world.

Maverick128

07-19-2005, 04:10 PM

tC Vert

B3ND3R

08-15-2005, 12:14 AM

hal9000

08-18-2005, 02:39 AM

Personally? I am waiting for the first manufacturer to wake up and offer a small, inexpensive coupe or sedan with RWD and an engine compartment that is roomy enough to bolt in something larger. :)

I would honestly buy an Echo coupe if it were RWD. :) I bet I could fit an SR20DET in it!

Darren

+1

If Dodge had made the Razor (http://www.fast-autos.net/dodge/dodgerazor.html), or if Mazda had brought-over the Miata coupe (http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/03sema_miatacoupe/), one (or both) would be in my driveway.

I would love to have a replacement for my e30 325is. I still can't believe no manufacturer has jumped-on this niche.

If you build it, they will come.

agreed...i know some people say Scions aren't about high-performance..but why couldn't one model be for a three year run(if Scion actually sticks to that statement)?..Scion doesn't have a storied history or image to break from...Remember the Grand National from your Grandfathers Buick?..or the Syclone from GMC?...they offered a lot of bang for the buck, weren't exactly what people expected from them(a Regal w/a turbo 6 in it?) and still have large cult followings...
I know it would be bad for Lexus IS owners..but i'd like to see Scion do something crazy like squeeze the 268hp/248 ft-lbs Avalon engine with a manual transmission in a smaller RWD sedan/coupe..I'd actually prefer it in an almost wagon-like coupe...sort of a poor-mans M-Coupe, A3, 1 series...if Toyota can sell a base Avalon for 26k-27k with all it's standard features..they could probably get a smaller coupe/sedan to market around the low-mid 20's...it would be nice to have SRT acceleration with RWD handling and Toyota reliability for the same price..and Dodge managed to sell those for three years..even with an enormous-winged Neon body sitting on top...i know..i know..SRT's are not Neons.. :eyebrow:

Keitaro

08-21-2005, 05:01 PM

Placebo

08-21-2005, 05:12 PM

Found from Toyotanation.com.

It may be the next Toyota Echo sedan replacement or a Scion sedan. The Toyota Belta

http://autos.blog2.net/belta/log/eid13.html#sequel

http://autos.blog2.net/belta/img/img5_belta_color04.gif

so thats the sedan replacement!!!!! I have been looking all over for answers to what it could be. :tap:

InspiredLogic

09-08-2005, 04:40 PM

RWD performance come on! That's a dream though, Toyota's pushing RWD into Lexus only... no chance they'd actually listen to enthusiasts for the cheap Scion line.

JMD83

09-08-2005, 08:30 PM

RWD performance come on! That's a dream though, Toyota's pushing RWD into Lexus only... no chance they'd actually listen to enthusiasts for the cheap Scion line.

Not necesarrily so... There was at one time a RWD Corolla, MR2, etc. Plus the competition has RWD Miata, at one point 240SX, etc... Selling RWD to the entry level market is a great way to build up a maket for the upscale RWD when buyers get more income as they move on... Isn't that the point of the Scion line? Get buyers into the brand early so they move up through the brand later...

Just my $0.02

cmndrjamesbond

09-19-2005, 11:51 PM

I'd like to see something like the 2nd gen MR2. 3SGTE, I believe the last iteration of which in Japan was putting out 240hp. Light weight, mid engined, RWD, and a removable sport top. Toyota needs to come out with something to challenge the competition, and a car like this could offer acceleration on par with the other Japanese sports cars, and handling to match the s2k or boxster.

JMD83

09-21-2005, 10:52 PM

If you (auto manufactures) built it, they (enthusiasts/consumers) will come...!

Provide the right marketing/exposure and they'll buy "it" too!

XD40tC

09-21-2005, 10:57 PM

A Scion Supra :bow:

cmndrjamesbond

09-21-2005, 11:40 PM

The sad thing is I don't anticipate Toyota getting into the higher performance segment again anytime soon. They discontinued the MR2 Turbo in 95 and the Supra in 98. Even without these two cars in their lineup, they're still making immense profits. Even in discontinuing the Celica in favor of the tC, they're opting for a (and I know this will offend some people here, but frankly the celica with its lighter weight and lower center of gravity definitely handles better than the tC) less sporting lineup of cars. If you want 0-60 in under 6, I wouldn't hold my breath for Toyota to come through (exception being the IS350 but who wants a 4 door anyway).

LoungeLizard

09-25-2005, 09:34 PM

RWD 4-door would be nice, but I wouldnt hold my breath.

killerxromances

09-25-2005, 10:51 PM

RWD, light weight, 2 door hatch. Perfect.

Cya

killerxromances

09-25-2005, 10:52 PM

and please, please, PLEASE have a 7,500-8K redline with a 6 speed.