View Full Version : Scion Backstage let me down (pics at the end)


rishio
04-18-2007, 07:00 AM
I'm on the waiting list for the 2008 Scion xb and went to the backstage event in San Diego with a lot of hope and excitement. Unfortunately, I was pretty let down and went back home with a mixed feeling.

My biggest disappointed was not the xb, but the scion employees at the event. Infact, I think the event was so poorly done that it rubbed off on the vehicle.

The presentation was one of the worst I've ever seen. I thought scion was about substance but instead the presentation felt like a salesman trying to stuff a monkey down a vegetarian's throat. It felt kind of like this:

SCION PRESENTER: SIR... you must have had old cars back in the 60's.. weren't they hard to steer?..

OLD MAN:"well..not really.."

scion presenter: YUP... THATS RIGHT... HARD TO STEER.. DON'T WORRY SIR.. THE NEW SCION XB CHANGES ALL THAT.. NO MORE HARD TIME STEERING CRAPPY OLD CARS

or he would come up to me and say...

PRESENTER: YOU LOOK LIKE YOU WANT POWER

ME: well actually I was more interested in Miles per Gallon....

PRESTENTER: DON'T WORRY MY FRIEND.. U GOT MORE POWER THAN U CAN HANDLE UNDER THIS BABY.. AND I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE THINKING.. YOU WANT MORE POWER..

me: actually..no

PRESENTER: WELL WITH JUST A FEW MODS YOU CAN GIVE THIS AMAZING STATE-OF-THE ART ENGINE EVEN MORE POWER

At the end of the presentation, the presenter said.. "does anyone have any questions?" I was about to raise my hand but then he said.. "well I don't have any answers but there is this handsome tall guy out there who knows everything about this car. He's the XB Guru."

The so called XB guru didn't know a thing about the XB. For example, the seats on the display XB didn't recline fully and he told me that it's not supposed too but the seats in the XD do. I made him look in the car manual and it turns out I was right... I think they don't recline because they are early prototypes... but it was pretty pathethic that the so called scion guru was telling me that the xd reclined fully (when it does not) and the xb doesn't (when it is supposed to)

I knew that asking him about the AVN unit was pointless because he just gave me a blank stare and said something like.. "almost anything you want is possible with mods..."

I went to test drive both the manual and automatic versions of the xb. I immediately put the automatic xb in sequential mode and the guy got all frieked out.. he didn't even know what that was. That said, sequential mode seemed pretty promising. The manual transmission was pretty nice.. The clutch was as light as butter to the touch and the changing gears was precise and solid (at least compared to my old car...)

I came out of the show feeling all fluffed out. I always thought Scion was about intelligence and substance but I guess I was wrong. The only knowledgeable person at the event was Rich from the Scion Dealership.

In the end, It's possible I might get the new xb.. It's not love at first sight but it's not hate at first sight either. I feel like it's 6 inches longer than I wanted. The decision maker will probably end up being the gas milage and I bet they aren't talking about it because it's probably nothing to get excited about..

Enjoy the pics.. I would have taken more and better pics but the event didn't inspire me much.. I just left early instead and went swimming..

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SquallLHeart
04-18-2007, 07:15 AM
that doesn't sound like any of the individuals i came across during the first 2 events.. (and that's for both days each. (4 days total worth))... that i have been to scion backstage.

they have two teams split up and i went to the very first one where both teams were there to have like a "training" event type of deal.

the people there were quite knowledgable about the vehicle.. yet i can agree some weren't entirely "gurus".

most i spoke to knew the vehilce... the fact that the ones on display and test cars were pre-production and were going to lack some features.. they knew.

i am curious as to the name of the aformentioned presenter.
i've gotten to know a few of the people from just being well.. there 4 days at 2 different events one after the other.

i did hear that the san diego one was moving a little slow and they closed up early, resulting in some conflicts... i'm gonna have to ask a few people about that a little more.

Tomas
04-18-2007, 07:17 AM
The scion folks are usually better than that - sad to hear they weren't up to standard this time. :(

The xB2 is a great value, and if it meets your needs, you would have a very difficult time finding anything else near it's value at near it's price.

Tom
"Waiting for the xB3."

Bigfieroman
04-18-2007, 01:08 PM
The black one looks wierd...like a dark grey metallic. Is black sand pearl actually grey?

I was planning to put gloss black wheels on it, but I dont want the wheels and color to be significantly different.

THE_DON
04-18-2007, 02:16 PM
PRESENTER: YOU LOOK LIKE YOU WANT POWER

ME: well actually I was more interested in Miles per Gallon....

PRESTENTER: DON'T WORRY MY FRIEND.. U GOT MORE POWER THAN U CAN HANDLE UNDER THIS BABY.. AND I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE THINKING.. YOU WANT MORE POWER..

me: actually..no


That's kinda how I've felt since the new xB came out. :nope: :silly:

-THE DON

Big_Bird
04-18-2007, 02:24 PM
i pretty much had the same problem at the NYIAS, not one person in the scion booth was helpful or even knew a darn thing about the xD and/or xB. I was very dissapointed in their attitudes too. You could tell they were just there because they were told to be and to make some money, not to push the scion brand and help people trying to decide on wheather or not to buy a scion. Scion is def slipping, i hope they can turn it around

SquallLHeart
04-18-2007, 05:32 PM
Scion isn't always able to send real knowledgable people around because of lack of personnel.

in times like this, they'll hire an agency that will send people... where they'll go thru some "rigorous" training aimed more at marketing the vehicle.
ALL auto manufacturers will do this... so it's not an uncommon practice... and not uncommon to run into people that know little info.

even salespeople that work at dealerships, who work for scion, don't always know alot about the vehicle... most stuff they know is.. i have to know this.... it'll make me money.

as always and i tell people all the time.... the consumer needs to do research prior to even going to a dealership to purchase a vehicle.

rishio
04-18-2007, 05:56 PM
I think it was more like black sand pearl.. not black but close. I didn't like the blackberry crush or the teal at all. The black sand pearl one looked nice but if I were to get one, I'd probably get a white since it's more my color (though i haven't seen a white one yet..)

The black one looks wierd...like a dark grey metallic. Is black sand pearl actually grey?

I was planning to put gloss black wheels on it, but I dont want the wheels and color to be significantly different.

rishio
04-18-2007, 05:59 PM
I guess I was let down because I came to the event thinking they would know more than me.


Scion isn't always able to send real knowledgable people around because of lack of personnel.

in times like this, they'll hire an agency that will send people... where they'll go thru some "rigorous" training aimed more at marketing the vehicle.
ALL auto manufacturers will do this... so it's not an uncommon practice... and not uncommon to run into people that know little info.

even salespeople that work at dealerships, who work for scion, don't always know alot about the vehicle... most stuff they know is.. i have to know this.... it'll make me money.

as always and i tell people all the time.... the consumer needs to do research prior to even going to a dealership to purchase a vehicle.

SquallLHeart
04-18-2007, 06:07 PM
ehhh.. i knew i knew more than them when i got there... lol

:doh:

Tomas
04-18-2007, 06:07 PM
Trung, running into car salesmen (of any brand) who know little about their vehicles is fairly common, but the BackStage wingding is intended not just to introduce folks to the new models, but to begin the training of some of the dealership folks.

The people representing Scion there are not just representing some dealership and trying to sell cars to put bread on the table, they are representing Scion Corporate and are supposedly the experts.

Personally I believe they should be held to a higher standard.

Tom

ElChupacabra
04-18-2007, 06:15 PM
So much wheel gap....

onemat
04-18-2007, 06:22 PM
Sounds like the real Scion employees couldn't make it and they stuck a couple of dealer guys in who unfortunately don't know about the product including the products ability to sell it self, if in the hands of somebody more qualified.
I hope they do better in Nashville...
Matt

xhrhx15x
04-18-2007, 06:22 PM
ehhh.. i knew i knew more than them when i got there... lol
when I was there some lady asked what colors the xB came in. and the guy standing by the xB said "right now only the 2 colors you see." (which one of them was the orange-yellow that is not a production color and the other one was Hypnotic Teal Mica) I shot the guy such a look, then butted in and told the lady and showed her the book (of which you think the guy would have atleast told the lady to check out). the people at the scion area were definitely there just o get paid, not one of them knew anything about the cars.

SquallLHeart
04-18-2007, 06:38 PM
Trung, running into car salesmen (of any brand) who know little about their vehicles is fairly common, but the BackStage wingding is intended not just to introduce folks to the new models, but to begin the training of some of the dealership folks.

The people representing Scion there are not just representing some dealership and trying to sell cars to put bread on the table, they are representing Scion Corporate and are supposedly the experts.

Personally I believe they should be held to a higher standard.

Tom
yeah... they should and from what i had seen during the first two events.. were held to a higher standard. these type of events are always held as dealership training and this was the first i have ever heard where the public could attend.

i don't know what happened or the specifics of San Diego's Backstage, but it seems that most of the complaints i have heard about unknowledgeable people stemmed from that particular event.

as i mentioned, there are two teams that are supposed to be touring the nation.. both of which i have met. team A, i think it was, was the one that ran OC.. and should've been the same that went down to SD... (i know that team at least knows their stuff)

if somehow team B switched places and took SD.. they should've still known their material, but i didn't get to know them as close.. as i only saw them at the very first event.

they were hired by Scion Corp from an agency based out of Chicago.. and i'm still confounded at the issues mentioned. but for sure even some of the experts there that were trained by Scion Corp didn't know everything..

i've had to correct a few minor mistakes on their information.. (that was supposedly from Corp!?)

rishio
04-18-2007, 06:51 PM
Not only did they not know their stuff.. they also seemed to not really care. I had the feeling that the xb guru was kind of annoyed by my questions and just enjoyed chatting with his friends more. When I asked him if I could possibly get the car manual he had, he told me sure.... got my hopes high... and then said... it comes with the car (with a grin on his face) making me feel pretty stupid to ask that question...

I'm pretty convinced that the Guru's training was simply to take the car manual and use it for any question that is asked.

todasiracing
04-18-2007, 08:10 PM
:bow: You must be some omnipotent Scion freak that has nothing better to do with your time than to judge the personalities of other people you know nothing about. :loser: I was at the Scion San Diego event and had a great time. Did I expect them to be Scion engineers, No, but everyone I talked to was very polite, they gave relevent information about the car, not to mention a bunch of free stuff and food. I guess you could be right, as I never asked how many spot welds are in the new xB, bet that Answer Bar guy couldn't of answered that. I guess Scion really screwed up that one as well. What were you talking about the xD? I didn't even see one there.
Like I said, I was at the San Diego event and have an absolutely different opinion of the event. You must just be a basically negative kind of person, and nothing will ever really please you.
People are just weird sometimes... :lalala:

rishio
04-18-2007, 08:35 PM
Okay.. looking at my posting.. I was a bit overly negative about the event and the people there. They are probably nice people going about their jobs.. The car is a great value and I'm sure it will sell well. That said, I did mention that one scion employee there, Rich, was very knowledgeable, polite and helpful so I wasn't all negative about everyone (mainly just 2 main people I interacted with there)

I suppose I just raised my expectations too high after hearing about the event.. It was definately overly hyped and the company itself I now see is just like any other car company sending out the normal marketing illusion one expects.

I have money deposited for a 2008 xb (first one in SD) but I'm not as excited about it anymore so I'll probably just wait on the sidelines and let the dust settle.


:bow: You must be some omnipotent Scion freak that has nothing better to do with your time than to judge the personalities of other people you know nothing about. :loser: I was at the Scion San Diego event and had a great time. Did I expect them to be Scion engineers, No, but everyone I talked to was very polite, they gave relevent information about the car, not to mention a bunch of free stuff and food. I guess you could be right, as I never asked how many spot welds are in the new xB, bet that Answer Bar guy couldn't of answered that. I guess Scion really screwed up that one as well. What were you talking about the xD? I didn't even see one there.
Like I said, I was at the San Diego event and have an absolutely different opinion of the event. You must just be a basically negative kind of person, and nothing will ever really please you.
People are just weird sometimes... :lalala:

todasiracing
04-18-2007, 09:17 PM
Like I said before, I really enjoyed the Backstage event and had a completely different experience, I'm sorry you had such a bad experience. You posted some great pics, the car looks great.
After re-reading your post, did you actually ask the xB guru for his owner's manual? If that was me, I would say heck no! Did you expect the guy to have memorized over a 1000 pages of info and say "Here, you can just have it?" I don't understand that? Oh well.
My biggest let down from the event was not having an xD there like I said earlier, but I guess they couldn't get one. I was also disappointed with the # of people there, I was hoping more people would show up, but I guess they should do a better job promoting it more. Posts like yours wouldn't help their event much or get other people excited about going to the events. :tap:

Too bad, there are a lot of Scion people looking forward to see the new xB and drive it and one person can ruin it for so many...... :nope:

SquallLHeart
04-18-2007, 09:40 PM
well hopefully after all this we can forget what happened.

all the individuals involved in making this happen deserve alot of gratitude. this type of event has never been remotely possible for the public to go to before.

sometimes we have our ideals and expectations that don't get fulfilled going into something.
i know my mind was in shock when i watched a movie i was so hyped up about over 2 years waiting for it to come out... only to walk out of the theatre ____ed off and wanting my money back. (it's only happened once.. and i think many people were disappointed as well)

at the time i didn't know what to do as i've never experienced that type of feeling before... but nonetheless it was because of expectations that i had prior to going into the movie.

after that.. i pretty much learned not to expect too much out of anything... why set yourself up for disappointment? ehh.. *shrugs*

Tomas
04-18-2007, 10:18 PM
Todasiracing, please try to remember that this wasn't just a party with free things for "the public" but a product training event for dealership personnel...therfore the higher expectations of the alleged experts actually being able to answer pertinent questions about the two models being introduced.

Glad you had a great time, though! :)

Tom

toyotatodd
04-18-2007, 10:47 PM
I got the same vibe at the Chicago Auto Show.
The clueless people behind the desk made me happy that scionlife.com exist. Thanks to this forum I know more than the guy who will sell me my car.

It was nice to look at the future in all. I did expect more than warm bodies with there mouths open. I mean they were nice in all. They handed me a brochure and smiled.

No free food though

todasiracing
04-18-2007, 10:53 PM
Todasiracing, please try to remember that this wasn't just a party with free things for "the public" but a product training event for dealership personnel...therfore the higher expectations of the alleged experts actually being able to answer pertinent questions about the two models being introduced.

Glad you had a great time, though! :)

Tom

I appreciate your opinion, and everyone has one. The dealer training you are refering to is effective and like all education, you get out of it what you put in. My observation in San Diego is that the dealers were more interested in driving the vehicle and eating the food, then confirming how many airbags the new Xb has. Maybe that is a reflections of the consultants in that region, but I can't say for sure.

Have you actually attended a Backstage event yet? I would hope your honest answer is yes, as you speak strongly about your experience. Will you be attending any events during their tour? Let me know which one and maybe we can have the opportunity to discuss things further. Oh, and don't forget to ask the xB guru if you can have his owner's manual...j/k :silly:

SquallLHeart
04-18-2007, 10:59 PM
^^ i do agree... the actual dealership people that attend the training and their general care for the event does come into play as far as the atmosphere.

i have witnessed that in two different regions at two different backstage events that i have attended.

(and i went both days for both... yea.. i'm crazy...).. if i had the time and money.... i'd follow them around the whole tour... lol.

btw.. those backstage guys know of scionlife... they're probably gonna read this sooner or later...

(and if you're reading... uhm.. HI! :P)

Tomas
04-19-2007, 12:23 AM
I will be attending two BackStage events, one on 26APR, one on 19JUN in two different cities, todasiracing.

As usual I will report back my experience here as objectively as possible.

As to asking the xB guru for his xB manual, depending on how "busy" he is, I might ask if I may take a quick look through it, but I won't ask that he part with it. :)

(And yes, some dealers/salesman are much more 'involved' with Scion and the community than are others. I've discussed this with local Scion champions, regional Scion folks, and Scion Corporate just recently. Some are pretty sad representatives.)

Tom http://tijil.org/xB_icon.gif

OldYeller
04-19-2007, 01:08 AM
I attended the Backstage event in Orange County and had a great time. I got the impression that the "presenters" were in fact a group that was going on tour for the length of the event. As I stated in an earlier post, I explained the TRD warranty to the guy who was showing all of the performance parts. He was unaware that Toyota warrants the product if they sell and install it and that TRD warrants if it is just sold but not installed. It did seem surprizing to me that he would not know this as he was touting the TRD supercharger, intake , and other TRD performance parts. This did not diminish my experience too much--several trips to the food bar made up for the lack of knowledge. I got to drive the car, see some friends, take home some swag, and eat at the aforementioned buffet. I also got a 72 page manual that answers most questions I would want to know about the nex xB. I say go experience it yourself and keep an open mind.

roXor_boXor
04-19-2007, 01:09 AM
I plan to hit the event in Chicago in a couple weeks. Hopefully the SD event was an anomaly. What someone else said about getting expectations up too much is true too. We'll see how it goes in Chi-town.

The lack of knowledge and interest in their job is sad at some of the dealers. My local dealer knew absolutely nothing about the Backstage events until I brought it up. Two different Scion sales people were completely unaware of the event. So far they have had zero information. I asked about the pricing announcement about 10 days after it came out. They knew nothing. Nada. Sad.

*steps onto soapbox*
That is a dealer management problem btw. Everybody has people at work who do not care. The number who do not care is usually directly proportional to the ability of management to make it a good place for people to work and care about their jobs.
*steps off soap box*

Like others, I appreciate the information found here and the solid "Internet Citizens" like Tomas and others keeping it useful and enjoyable.

In contrast to the dealership types mentioned above, some of the dealer reps who frequent this place deserve some recognition for caring about their job and our interest in it. Obviously it is not a universal attitude.

For example, shorberg makes me want to drive 671 miles to MO to buy a 2008 xB just because he cares. :wink:

xCube
04-19-2007, 02:47 AM
So much wheel gap....

enough for twenties but I bet it will have to be 35 series(rubberband-DAMN). I like it more and more. The front is a bit off for me, but it will have to do. I like the size, power, features, and the price. I own a BCP but don't know if i I would want that what yoiu call it color, looks close to the BCP. May go with White.

shorberg
04-19-2007, 03:26 AM
If this job were easy, anyone would do it.

How easy could it be to find a guy like me, who can work a ton of hours, that likes scion, is willing to work on the cheap, and really became an enthusiast by accident because of scion?

don't hate the guys who just do this as a job and not a lifestyle or career bla bla bla.

just be glad that some of us do get it, that some of us do respect and support you, and that you aren't driving another brand where none of your salespeople will do this for you.

<--- invested too much time in scion this year so far . . .

Rich_Manas
04-19-2007, 03:39 AM
Rishio: sorry to hear you didn't enjoy the the show! :( i know i spoke to you briefly during the show but if i knew you were asking the product specialist questions i would've said, DON"T. a lot of these product specialist who work for corporate don't know much about the vehicles. most of their information comes from the backstage guide they gave us and nothing really from r&d people. that's why when they unveiled the xB and xD to us in chicago i was able to ask the lead engineer questions about mpg, performance, prototype vs production that a specialist at these events cannot answer.

wait until the actual production car comes out and test drive it on an actual freeway and roads and not a 20 second autox course. then make your final judgement what will replace your current car.

Bigfieroman
04-19-2007, 03:52 AM
i was able to ask the lead engineer questions about mpg

And what was his answer?

Rich_Manas
04-19-2007, 03:52 AM
Trung, running into car salesmen (of any brand) who know little about their vehicles is fairly common, but the BackStage wingding is intended not just to introduce folks to the new models, but to begin the training of some of the dealership folks.

The people representing Scion there are not just representing some dealership and trying to sell cars to put bread on the table, they are representing Scion Corporate and are supposedly the experts.

Personally I believe they should be held to a higher standard.

Tom

most people in the car business are not the same. not all of them are there just because of the money unlike most people in other customer service related business (ie:real estate). some people actually like helping people out. i've been in the car business for 8 years and this is one car guy that actually knows what he's talking about and i'm not the only one. there are plenty of knowledgable people at my dealership when asked a question can answer it. that's why i've always said buying a car is not like buying a cup of coffee at starbucks, there are dealers that sell more than others and there's a reason because they do it way better. when you buy a car always deal with the dealer that sells the most.

when i went to backstage i invited not just my sales staff but my scion service advisor who deal with our customers everyday, my lead technicians that installs all the parts at the dealership, retail and back counter parts who orders the parts for our customers and i sent 1600 e-mails to current scion owners and future scion owners inviting them to the event. again, not all dealers are the same.

Tomas
04-19-2007, 04:33 AM
Sorry, Rich, please don't think I meant that all sales folk (or dealerships) are the same. In my region there are both good and bad.

Tom

rishio
04-19-2007, 05:45 AM
Thanks for the comments Rich. My frustration basically came out of false expectations. I do think Scion Guru is a mislabel for someone who really didn't know even the basics about the car (rear seat reclining.. tilt steering wheel.. avn..etc.). And I didn't ask for his booklet.. I just asked if it was possible to obtain a copy of it somewhere.. I never got another booklet with info. I wish I knew they were handing that out.. Rich, is it still possible to get this booklet?

If anything positive came out of this thread, I just hope it helps people keep their expectations modest and not expect anyone there who knows about the car.

I also hope the pics were enjoyed.. I wanted to take an inch tape for someone who wanted the dimensions of the tailgate opening..but i left my inch tape at home :/

roXor_boXor
04-19-2007, 12:14 PM
don't hate the guys who just do this as a job and not a lifestyle or career bla bla bla.

just be glad that some of us do get it, that some of us do respect and support you
Scott,
Reread my previous post. I merely pointed out the lack of knowledge on the part of the local sales guys. The problem in that case is a Scion sales manager not doing his job. If he was even remotely doing his job, all of the sales people would be made aware of things like a significant event like Backstage. When you see a lack of knowledge in one person, that is no big deal. When nobody in the dealership has even heard of the Backstage event happening nearby in 2 weeks, that is a leadership problem.

If I'm "hating" on anybody, it's management. Read Rich's post in this thread. He is clearly on the opposite end of the spectrum from my local Scion Sales manager. If Rich were my local Sales Manager, my sales guy would have been calling/ emailing me instead of me telling him about the event. That was my point earlier. If I failed to get it across effectively, I apologize.

As a manager myself, I recognize the signs when management is failing to inform and motivate their people. My local dealer has a problem so I appreciate the people who work for other Scion dealers here who help everyone with the product.

Hope that was more clear.

Rich_Manas
04-19-2007, 04:49 PM
Sorry, Rich, please don't think I meant that all sales folk (or dealerships) are the same. In my region there are both good and bad.

Tom

no offense taken! i'm sorry i had to use you as a quote but its true when attending these events toyota or in this case scion use independent people to conduct the event but i'm not saying all that were there are independent. the people you rode in to test drive the xB those guys are independent and more than likely the m.c. was too.

Rich_Manas
04-19-2007, 04:59 PM
Thanks for the comments Rich. My frustration basically came out of false expectations. I do think Scion Guru is a mislabel for someone who really didn't know even the basics about the car (rear seat reclining.. tilt steering wheel.. avn..etc.). And I didn't ask for his booklet.. I just asked if it was possible to obtain a copy of it somewhere.. I never got another booklet with info. I wish I knew they were handing that out.. Rich, is it still possible to get this booklet?

If anything positive came out of this thread, I just hope it helps people keep their expectations modest and not expect anyone there who knows about the car.

I also hope the pics were enjoyed.. I wanted to take an inch tape for someone who wanted the dimensions of the tailgate opening..but i left my inch tape at home :/

i'm not sure if you already have this booklet but if you don't i have extras at the dealership. call me before you stop by to see if they gave it you during the show. no sense for you to waste gas if you have it at home.

Rich_Manas
04-19-2007, 05:21 PM
i was able to ask the lead engineer questions about mpg

And what was his answer?

when asked that question all he could say they are still conducting tests. epa had a prototype B2 as early as january and has not released their findings as of february.

CBSIMONSEZ
04-23-2007, 10:25 PM
Wow ... all this going back and forth about a Scion Tour for the new box really makes me wonder.

I do know that most sales people are just that, there to make sales. It has been my personal experience that once you sign the dotted line, they could care less. There are those who actually get into the whole thing of what they are selling. I was way deep into the Scion scene when i made my purchase over 3 years ago now. So into the Scion scene i was offered a job selling them! I declined as i cant make up stories or lie to people on the rare occasion when it may happen. For those who are new, be glad there is such a site that you can find out more information about Scion then most sales reps and even some Scion Corp know.

I will be attending the event here on LI NY in late June. Whats the swag they are offering to those who attend?

SquallLHeart
04-23-2007, 10:49 PM
the usual items i've seen so far are a bag full of goodies which include pens, a non-slip mat thingy, cupholder coasters (hmmm.. wierd but cool), another keychain i think uhm.. and an air freshner.. that's all i can remember.

rishio
04-23-2007, 11:14 PM
I prefer to buy from the ones that know the ins and outs of the product they are selling and assume I'm an intelligent person with choices to make. It's one thing to be positive and enthusiastic about the product they are selling but it drives me away when I ask them a question and they come up with 10 answers to questions I never asked.

I don't think it's right for a salesman to be called a guru when they don't even know the basic features of the product. The 'guru' telling me that the xd seats recline flat and the xb doesn't is like a "lead engineer" telling someone that the xd runs on a 2.4 liter engine and the xb runs on a 1.8 liter engine. I would hope that person is not the lead engineer.

rishio
04-23-2007, 11:26 PM
I think they give you a book with lots of info and pics of the 2008 models. I somehow missed the books but my dealer is mailing it to me... Should get it tonight..



the usual items i've seen so far are a bag full of goodies which include pens, a non-slip mat thingy, cupholder coasters (hmmm.. wierd but cool), another keychain i think uhm.. and an air freshner.. that's all i can remember.

todasiracing
04-24-2007, 08:07 PM
Dude get over yourself and get a life!
I went to one of those Scion things, and I thought that it was fun and informative. I don't think the guys working there are sales people anyway...I was told no one was there to sell me anything! I appreiciated that.
As for your questions...I happen to be an engineering student. We don't bother talking to guys like you, we refer you to the PR people!

I believe you make an event good or bad by the attitude you walk in the door with.
I happen to like what I heard and saw and my car was not the one that walked away with all the awards, but I like my car and myself! Too bad you don't!


Anyway , I think those seats fold down flat. What don't you have a home, so you want to sleep in your car? Do you care at all about the power or handling of the car you drive? You do know how to drive right??? :loser:

Come to think of it, were you at the event when the guy plowed over all the cones because he ran out of talent! Yes, that sounds like you!

Bigfieroman
04-24-2007, 08:15 PM
Dude get over yourself and get a life!
I went to one of those Scion things, and I thought that it was fun and informative. I don't think the guys working there are sales people anyway...I was told no one was there to sell me anything! I appreiciated that.
As for your questions...I happen to be an engineering student. We don't bother talking to guys like you, we refer you to the PR people!

I believe you make an event good or bad by the attitude you walk in the door with.
I happen to like what I heard and saw and my car was not the one that walked away with all the awards, but I like my car and myself! Too bad you don't!


Anyway , I think those seats fold down flat. What don't you have a home, so you want to sleep in your car? Do you care at all about the power or handling of the car you drive? You do know how to drive right??? :loser:

Come to think of it, were you at the event when the guy plowed over all the cones because he ran out of talent! Yes, that sounds like you!

Wow...who ____ed in your wheaties?

todasiracing
04-24-2007, 08:30 PM
Well, he did, he never has anything good to say about the event. He's just a basher and I love Scion! I went to the same event and no one tried to sell me anything, everyone one knew there stuff, I think rishio is full of BS and should stop. The presenter didn't seem to be giving a "canned" presentation, the "guru" answered the tech questions I asked, the salespeople that were there were pleasant and didn't bother anyone. The cars looked great, and every one of them had a "prototype" sticker on them, so I didn't expect them to be completely representative of a stock xB. The new xB handles awesome, and I was able to drive it on a course.

Was anyone else in San Diego?

rishio
04-24-2007, 09:07 PM
The Backstage event was awesome. The presenter was so full of energy and really showed us all those horses under the hood. The Scion Guru was very kind and generous. He had a nice warm smile as well.

This event is the reason why I'm on the waiting list for a 2008 Scion XB. Go to the event - you'll love it.

If you are reading this Scion, don't change a thing about this event and keep up the good work.


Dude get over yourself and get a life!
I went to one of those Scion things, and I thought that it was fun and informative. I don't think the guys working there are sales people anyway...I was told no one was there to sell me anything! I appreiciated that.
As for your questions...I happen to be an engineering student. We don't bother talking to guys like you, we refer you to the PR people!

I believe you make an event good or bad by the attitude you walk in the door with.
I happen to like what I heard and saw and my car was not the one that walked away with all the awards, but I like my car and myself! Too bad you don't!


Anyway , I think those seats fold down flat. What don't you have a home, so you want to sleep in your car? Do you care at all about the power or handling of the car you drive? You do know how to drive right??? :loser:

Come to think of it, were you at the event when the guy plowed over all the cones because he ran out of talent! Yes, that sounds like you!

SquallLHeart
04-24-2007, 10:32 PM
I think they give you a book with lots of info and pics of the 2008 models. I somehow missed the books but my dealer is mailing it to me... Should get it tonight..
yeah.. the booklet was something that they gave to everyone when you first entered the event and is part of your entry. it contains alot of info for both new vehicles.

the question i answered was what shwag they gave and assumed most people wouldn't include that booklet as it was slightly a given.

as for this thread.... the horse has been beaten enough.