so with gas prices on the rise and were all payin well over 3$ a gallon dose anyone have any tips on how to get more MPg in city and HWY out of either an anto or manual!?!

drive like a grandma. :P

pretty much. there are not tricks to good mpg, just modest driving habits.

Drive slow, keep the rpms low, and use higher pressure in your tires.

Yep I went from driving semi agresively and only getting like 260-280 per tank to driving like a cenile old woman (not to be confused with the "i thought the right one was the brake' old woman) and getting 310-350 per tank. BIG DIFF.

....ride a bicycle?

Up the pressure in the tires, with the Auto get up to 40mph or more if you can so you get in top gear, pop it in neutral and coast as much as possible and you can get over 35mpg - I did 36mpg at night in the rain on my first test drive in my buddies tC. Also keep the body clean and polished to cut down air drag. Less braking saves gas too so if you drive like you have no brakes you will find yourself backing off the gas sooner and saving more.

walk

Buy an xB.

xA's are better. well i was thinking about getin a camcon and leaning out the AFR

well i was thinking about getin a camcon and leaning out the AFR
And let's say that gets you 1mpg more. Then how far would you have to drive to pay for it?

xA's are better. well i was thinking about getin a camcon and leaning out the AFR
xD's have more power AND better mpg.

and uhm.... camcon not worth it.

You could always cut a hole in the floor and "flintstone" it... Or get out and push... Or stop b1tching about the gas prices as we are all suffering... Or drink a gallon of gas and...

Just kidding, but seriously, just drive slower...

I just got some 93 for 2.93/gallon. I assume that's low compared to other states?

Sounds about right for this area...

I just got some 93 for 2.93/gallon. I assume that's low compared to other states?

i hate you.

jk

take da back seat out and da spare tire and da passenger seat and buy a lighter battery with carbon fiber hood and trunk and carbon fiber roof and lose some weight. "for every pound lost is an improvement in mpg"

well i was thinking about getin a camcon and leaning out the AFR
And let's say that gets you 1mpg more. Then how far would you have to drive to pay for it?

Actually about 20% more theoretically but then you increase emissions and maybe damage the cat. If I can get high and mid 40's average in an xB then you tC's can get over 30 easy.

I just got some 93 for 2.93/gallon. I assume that's low compared to other states?

i hate you.

jk

One of the FEW perks of living in PA. Decent gas prices--usually.

Everytime I fill up I tell myself, "i'm going to tune it down this tank." Doesn't quite work out like that. :P

I could easily get better mileage though, you just have to make habits.

what's the approximate loss in mpg for having an i/h/e setup? cuz my mileage sucks right now.

my suggestions for better mpg: slower accelerations from stops, no hard braking, no high revving! basically what they said, drive conservative. it's hard i know... :P

what's the approximate loss in mpg for having an i/h/e setup? cuz my mileage sucks right now.

Isnt exaust and intake suppose to HELP, as long as you dont rev to hear the sounds and drive wisely, I thought you were suppose to see an increase in fuel economy. Anyway getting better gas milage as long as you keep your rpm's 2.5 or below you will get some good mpg.

tryin to save gas? SIMPLE!!!

hope for a windy day!
put your car in neutral(engine off)
and set up a sail!

infinite miles to the gallon!!! -best ive seen yet!


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tryin to save gas? SIMPLE!!!

hope for a windy day!
put your car in neutral(engine off)
and set up a sail!

infinite miles to the gallon!!! -best ive seen yet!


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Actually, you'd want to turn off the engine, but keep it in neutral. Then you'd get that kind of MPG

/detail nazi :D

well when i really wanna save gas i drive real chill and shift at about 2500rpms and go the speed limit on the city streets. i get about a good 320-350 on a full tank of gas.

How about this? Do you guys think this works? http://www.metacafe.com/watch/524517/double_your_gas_mileage_2x/

^^ i would have to slap you for even thinking something like that would work....

some of the advice given will work because it's common sense...
but come on.. acetone? mythbusters covered that crap already.

Hey I got news for ya - that was a big jump in mileage when he added the acetone - he must have some poor injectors - but it does work that's how I get over 50mpg in my xB and I still have heavy stuff in the trunk. And I don't turn the engine off at lights or while coasting because it burns so little at idle that keeping it warm by running it saves gas more than starting it again. It burns about half a cent a minute and after starting it burns 3-4 time more gas than idle for at least a minute plus starter and battery wear. Acetone doesn't help much at high power output levels in big engines like the one they used on that mythbusters test - it helps best at low power levels when the injectors don't atomize well due to the small injector pulse duration.

there have been other posts on the acetone. http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=89948&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=acetone&&start=0

I read that the amount used makes a huge difference. Too much or too little and it does almost no good. The gain in a small engine like our scions would probably only be a few mpg. If it were a larger engine the gains would be more noticeable.

tryin to save gas? SIMPLE!!!

hope for a windy day!
put your car in neutral(engine off)
and set up a sail!

infinite miles to the gallon!!! -best ive seen yet!


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Actually, you'd want to turn off the engine, but keep it in neutral. Then you'd get that kind of MPG

/detail nazi :Dyou won't get infinite mpg cause even our lil 1.5's burn SOME gas on idle. /bigger detail nazi

also a ? how big is the tC gas tank?

also a ? how big is the tC gas tank?

Approx. 14.5 gallons.

oh that explains it....I was wondering how someone was talking about getting 310-350 to a tank, and my previous best was 319 on 9 gal....

tryin to save gas? SIMPLE!!!

hope for a windy day!
put your car in neutral(engine off)
and set up a sail!

infinite miles to the gallon!!! -best ive seen yet!


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Actually, you'd want to turn off the engine, but keep it in neutral. Then you'd get that kind of MPG

/detail nazi :Dyou won't get infinite mpg cause even our lil 1.5's burn SOME gas on idle. /bigger detail nazi

also a ? how big is the tC gas tank?

That's exactly why I said you have to turn off the engine :wink:

14.5 gallons

there have been other posts on the acetone. http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=89948&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=acetone&&start=0

I read that the amount used makes a huge difference. Too much or too little and it does almost no good. The gain in a small engine like our scions would probably only be a few mpg. If it were a larger engine the gains would be more noticeable.
Actually it works on percentage so if you get a 10% increase on a car that gets 15 that comes out to 1.5mpg were as on a car getting 40mpg that comes out to 4mpg increase and the smaller amount of gas being injected the more it helps. Except on Honda cars apparently it has little or no effect for some reason.

...no hard braking...
Really? I'm skeptical. Please explain how hard braking decreases mpg. Or conversely, how soft braking can improve mpg. :eyebrow:

hard braking means your coming in too fast on other cars, wasting gas by driving up too close instead of coasting.

In a ten mile trip each time I stop from 35-40 mph I loose a couple of MPG from the trip average. On a shorter trip even more. It really is a percentage but the display shows trip average and the resultant drop after accelerating after each stop.

...no hard braking...
Really? I'm skeptical. Please explain how hard braking decreases mpg. Or conversely, how soft braking can improve mpg. :eyebrow:

The assumption is that if you're hard braking, then you were on the gas for too long.

Get off the gas, kick in the fuel injector shut off, and you'll save gas. The longer you coast (and thus, you wouldn't want to use the brake since you want to extend the range of engine braking as long as possible), the more time the wheels are driving the engine; thus, fuel injector shut off.

Thus, no fuel sprayed. Thus, no fuel used. Thus - better MPG

hard braking means your coming in too fast on other cars, wasting gas by driving up too close instead of coasting.
Ah, I see what you mean. I was just thinking about waiting until late to brake, such that you have to brake hard, which doesn't necessarily require staying on the gas longer. So your response makes an assumption, but I guess that's what frostyblizz was thinking, because braking itself would have no effect, which is what I was trying to imply.

Right, the braking is a symtom(sp) but light braking could also alow you to carry more speed alowing you to use less gas getting up to speed again.

Actually if you know the duration of the traffic light and when it will turn green you can reduce some speed ahead of time so that you are not getting there so soon and if you time it right the light will be green and you will still be moving when you get there. Not coming to a complete stop saves a little gas and every bit helps. I have started timing the red and greens on the more changy lights I hit every day and am getting it down pretty good. Have had a few turn green with a car or two then turn red again in 15 seconds but usually they stay green for 50 seconds or more and red for 30-45 seconds and ones with car sensors change to green in 10 seconds once a car arrives if they have been red for a while. Up hill stop signs are the best because you coast up to them without braking thus not wasting any gas because you have to climb the hill anyway. It's the ones at the bottom of a hill that are killers - that's where a hybrid pays a little with regen braking. Anyway todays driving for about 2 hours going 49 miles averaged 49.3mpg.

^^The first part is a more indepth version of what I said...You said it better.

I think the most important thing to remember is:
Cruising speed doesn't have as big of an effect on MPG as Acceleration....Cruising at 80 for most of a tank got me damn good milage but if you jump on the gas and floor it to get to 80, you use WAY more gas. I heard that it takes more gas to get from 0-30 than to get from 30-60 because it takes more energy to get something moving than to keep it moving.

yeah i got 400 mpg on a tank once with all highway miles...i was in awe.

???400MPG??? or do you mean 400 miles on a tank?
*If it was the tank how much gas did it take to fill it up?

lol... ooops.. i think he meant 400 MILES....

yea... i've done that too... filled it and it was like 12.7 gallons for me.... long, mostly highway trip when i did that.

Just remember you tC guys have bigger tanks and get pretty good mileage at 70-80mph because of the smaller body size as well as the xA but when it comes to the xB then slower is better and not stopping is better too. I can't say exactly what the MPG is at higher speeds because I have some much firction reducers in my engine and tranny that it still is very good mileage i.e. up hill at 65mph I get 36-38 mpg where others are getting 28mpg but cruzing at 80 mph is definately a gas eater unless you are drafting and have a tail wind of about 20mph too. I heard some tCs getting over 30mpg at 75-85mph probably because they finally get enough load on the engine to warm everything up.
Lets watch the G and H keys they are RIGHT next to each other.

yeah i def. meant 400 miles to the tank...

oddly enough, i noticed my mistake driving home from work...wierd.


although 400mpg would be pretty sweet :P

yeah i def. meant 400 miles to the tank...

oddly enough, i noticed my mistake driving home from work...wierd.


although 400mpg would be pretty sweet :P

That would give you a range of 5,800 miles per tank.

At the rate I drive, I'd only have to fuel up every 6-7 months :rofl: :P

yeah i def. meant 400 miles to the tank...

oddly enough, i noticed my mistake driving home from work...wierd.


although 400mpg would be pretty sweet :P

That would give you a range of 5,800 miles per tank.

At the rate I drive, I'd only have to fuel up every 6-7 months :rofl: :P

gah, i wish i drove that little...i have a 07 got it in oct 06, already have a little over 12K on her....poor girl i'm runnin' her hard. :P

yeah well i got my 07 in oct 06 and I have over 21k miles, that hurts a whole lot more, let me tell you

Here's Consumer Reports tips for better MPG.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/maintenance-accessories/get-the-most-mileage-for-your-fuel-dollars-406/index.htm

We forget how inefficient the engine is when cold. Good tip here is to combine short trips into one.

Here's Consumer Reports tips for better MPG.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/maintenance-accessories/get-the-most-mileage-for-your-fuel-dollars-406/index.htm

We forget how inefficient the engine is when cold. Good tip here is to combine short trips into one.


great find. :clap:

yeah all my friends tell me that i lose mpg when i drive with the AC on...glad to hear it doesn't really make a difference. :silly:

Run the A/C on recirculate most of the time and on the lowest fan setting and it takes very little power and gas to run it. ALso keep the car moving so the radiator condensor stays cool and that reduces the load on the compressor pump as well. You can also crank up the fan when you are slowing down since that would be free power from the engine and help slow you down a little extra . . . if only the ECU didn't increase the gas to then engine when the A/C was running like that.

Run the A/C on recirculate most of the time and on the lowest fan setting and it takes very little power and gas to run it. ALso keep the car moving so the radiator condensor stays cool and that reduces the load on the compressor pump as well. You can also crank up the fan when you are slowing down since that would be free power from the engine and help slow you down a little extra . . . if only the ECU didn't increase the gas to then engine when the A/C was running like that.


thank you oh wise one :bow:

If you live in CA, the gas here is less efficient.

In VA I was getting 27mpg in the city, here in CA I get about 22mpg in the city. My commute to work is the same as well, 3 miles and takes about 8-10 minutes.

On my drive from VA to CA last summer I got about 35 MPG cruising at 75mph with my car fully loaded down, I put everything I owned in my Scion TC.

But as soon as my wife and I put CA gas in each of our cars, our gas mileage dropped on the very first tank of CA gas.

350-370 mpg here. 29.5-30.5 miles per tank the last 3 tanks. w00t w00t

If you live in CA, the gas here is less efficient.

In VA I was getting 27mpg in the city, here in CA I get about 22mpg in the city. My commute to work is the same as well, 3 miles and takes about 8-10 minutes.

On my drive from VA to CA last summer I got about 35 MPG cruising at 75mph with my car fully loaded down, I put everything I owned in my Scion TC.

But as soon as my wife and I put CA gas in each of our cars, our gas mileage dropped on the very first tank of CA gas.D00d that's bullsjit...Why do we get the jacked up gas?

Emissions - probably a different formulation for polution reduction and you may also have a lower oxygen contant in the air - I have a theory that is why I get better gas mileage when driving in the woods and on counrty roads than in the city or highway.

Hey guys, what're your thoughts on trying this mod on the tC for more mpg? I've tried posting on that thread but haven't heard from anyone there yet?

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=166146&highlight=

I've heard of that, but I have a CAI so I can't give personal experience. Although with my K&N typhoon, I have seen an increase in MPG, but that might be from the change in my driving habits since instal.

^^Could be from the heat soak. Have an Injen CAI and entertain myself at red lights by watching my air intake temp skyrocket. Other day it was 87 outside and 104 IA temp by the time light turned green. I'm getting 28mpg overall but probably 70mpg after a long red light lol.

Change your oil to a full synth and if you're driving an 06 or 07 use the lightest weight oil you can (5w-20 if it's an 06 or 0w-20 if you have an 07). Change your tranny fluid to a synth blend. Make sure your air filter is completely clean and your o2 sensors are operating perfectly. Keep your tires inflated to the PROPER pressure. Some people would argue but I believe the quality of the gas you use has quite a bit to do with it as well. I can use a citgo gas and get about 28.5mpg, but if i use texaco or shell I get about 30.4mpg. It's a higher quality gas and burns much more efficiently, and it's recommended by Toyota.

And most of all.... Stay off the redline.

^^^And don't launch from a red light.

One other thing you have to realize is that it takes a lot of gas to make the engine spin above 1500 rpm and way more above 3000rpm so if you can coast at higher speeds and let the engine idle then you can really kick up the average MPG. This is the ONLY way to get really high mileage even if you can coast at 30 mph for a little ways down a gradual hill it will add up in the long run. The more you can coast at higher speeds the more you MPG will increase since the engine burns a little even at idle.

I'm not sure about proper tire pressures. I'd recommend proper tire pressures from the average joe... but for me and people who are closer I usually recommend at least 3-4 PSI over OEM recommendation.

I personally run 37/35 myself. I need to get more air (I think its nearly at stock specs now)... I'll be doing 39/37 next.

Assuming you have the OEM tires (or actually most regular tires), as long as you stay under 44 you're ok. I would recommend that you always keep PSI between 35 and 44. Anything below 35 is sorta low IMHO.

Reducing rolling resistance, and improving handling are just two benefits of raising your PSIs (up to a certain extent, of course).

Don't overdo it - but overall, an overinflated tire is less dangerous than an underinflated one. Remember, Toyota recommends pressures based on what will *just* work while providing some ride quality. It's not optimized for performance or MPG. It's a compromise biased towards ride quality.

^^Mfr tire pressure specs are also based on preventing uneven tire wear. Couple psi overinflation probably won't matter much, but since specs are 32/29 I think you're headed toward wearing out your tread centers.

If I did only strraight roads that may be a concern but with all the cornering I do they tend to wear very even with 40psi in the xB. The tC would be a little different because thay are wider and may tend to wear in the center more. Besides you don't need the center of the tire for much anyway, you need tread on the sides for cornering traction.

^^Mfr tire pressure specs are also based on preventing uneven tire wear. Couple psi overinflation probably won't matter much, but since specs are 32/29 I think you're headed toward wearing out your tread centers.

Yes, it is a possibility... I'm monitoring my tires to see if I'm doing any bad damage.