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Old 12-27-2005, 09:47 PM   #41
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I posted before back in the day, about 110 down hill on the baker grade on 1-15 south then everyone caled me a liar. it seems more common now. Now all of law obiding citizens would never drive that fast would we
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yeah, i had the box up to 125 comin back from HIN miami.....

barried in the governer

but i kept up with a C class benz, a hemi C, and an S40
You do realize that you can keep up with a Formula 1 racer, if they aren't racing. . . so it's not exactly something to brag about.

A hemi C has 340hp. . . and is a LOT faster than an xB. . . even a turbo xB. Even if you somehow managed 200hp, you'd still have a tough time. I'd think that you'd need a MINIMUM of 250 to keep up. I think the 300C was just driving normally (or was in a semi-hurry).
That may be true if you're talking about a 1/4 mile track or a short burst of speed, but over a distance on the freeway is what I think he is talking about and that has many other factors to take into account. More HP won't do you any good if you're pinned in a lane and I'm not... Length and conditions can change things. Besides, don't you remember this story:



I've kept up with Corvettes and Mustangs and various SUVs on my commute. You can say they held back if you want but it looked to me like they were doing everything they could. This is over a 30+ mile stretch, although not always with one car that long. The guy in the Corvette looked ____ed when I passed him for the 3rd time after he would just blast up the road away from me... for a minute and then he'd drop into line with the other sheep. When he turned onto 680, I got the feeling I was much more pleased with my purchase than he was with his...
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Old 12-27-2005, 11:44 PM   #43
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122... flat land ...tail wind....stock auto xb
Must have been some crazy "tail wind" to get you up to 122mph. unless you are talking about a nice steep hill.

Redneck, 125mph huh? Even with a blower it would have taken you forever to get 125, i've rode in a boosted xb before. very quick below 90mph but after 90 it gets just as sluggish as a n/a 1nz.

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ScionicMan, you're a cool guy, since I've follow some of your posts, so I'm going to make this as non-offensive as I can. Keep in mind, this is absolutely NOT personal. Ok?

I've driven A LOT of fast cars. And there is nothing more annoying to a fast car than a slow car trying to keep up. Sometimes we get caught up in traffic, sometimes we're just in a hurry. But the fact that an fast car draws attention, invites people to "race."

Driving quickly is dangerous by itself. But in traffic, it is especially more dangerous. Add to that another car which is trying to beat you are "keep up," and it's down right stupid. I'm no anti racing nag nanny, but I also use common sense on the road.

If you want a comparison that we ALL can relate to, it's the damn punk who cuts us off, thinking that boxes (or in my case xA's) are always slow, and then proceed to drive slow IN FRONT of us. It is VERY ANNOYING. Well, sports cars get the opposite stigma. . . everyone assumes they are racing.

Maybe the cars you were racing were actually being competitive. . . maybe not. It's hard to say. But in relation to the 300C mentioned previously, handling and acceleration are in completely different class. You mention that short bursts were not advantageous to the xB, as opposed to long spurts. Distance is where these cars have the greatest advantage(because distance reduces the % of time which is accountable to reaction time).

OK, so maybe it's in the case of traffic/driving ability. Sometimes it is also a game of chicken. Many drivers with expensive cars just aren't stupid enough to put their cars into dangerous situations, beyond a certain limit. It's a big reason why most Ferrari's you see drive SLOW. They take calculated risks, and a packed freeway is about as dangerous as a loaded handgun. And so what if the driver isn't competent? What do you gain? What do you have to prove?

In the hand of a competent driver, both a 300C and a Corvette would absolutely devastate an xB, modded or not. It's nothing to brag about if a Corvette gets stuck in traffic, and you beat him. It means absolutely nothing.

I'm not saying that you are one of these people, but when driving other cars, I HATE IT when some little punk in an Civic keeps passing me (because he has something to prove) and then slows down. 9 times out of 10, people with fast cars do not do this, since they have NOTHING TO PROVE (save for Mustangs and Camaros).

In fact, some idiot in an xB was doing this to me on I280 (I was in a hurry, cruising at about 75-80mph). He kept trying to race and would cut people off to get ahead, wait for me, rev, and challenge me. I was furious as he almost caused several wrecks.
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And there's nothing that irritates me more than some guy that thinks his car is the ish cuz he chunked down tons of dough or went up to his eyeballs in debt to look cool but thinks my car is slow so will cut me off like a jerk that owns the road but doesn't use all the wonderful HP he bought. I had some jerk do that this morning. He looked right at me, saw us leaving the light and decided he could just pull out in my lane in his shiny big useless truck. It goes both ways.

This is such a useless argument anyway. Its all a matter of opinions and I know we've all got one...
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Old 12-28-2005, 01:28 AM   #46
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I know this may not be specific to the xB... but I have something related to the topic this thread has veered toward.

I have a lead foot, and I know it. My wife is the one with the xB. My daily driver / commuter is a '98 Prelude Type SH. The car is a little quick, but not fast by any means. The only modifications are a Tanabe exhaust and intake. I drive about 50 miles one way on my commute from Fresno to Visalia. And being as I have a lead foot my average speed is somewhere between 80 and 85.

On several occasions I have had self-important jerks in Camaros and Corvettes make ridiculous moves just to get in front of me, only to slow me down. It is never the other import drivers, always either a middle aged guy in his 'Vette, or some Mexican kid in his Camaro.

On most of those occasions I wait until we get into the clear and will dice it up with them. These idiots have no clue that all of that torque they paid for will do absolutely nothing to help them on the freeway. Usually by the time they hit 120 they get scared and back off. And I coast away easily with my car feeling just as stable as it did at 80.

There has only been one occasion where a guy absolutely walked on me. And he was driving a Mustang GT. And it was a convertible to boot. I don't know what he had under the hood, but it most definitely was not stock. At the very least it was supercharged. And I wouldn't doubt that there was some internal work to go along with it.
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Old 12-28-2005, 02:04 AM   #47
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hmm well ppl are starting to think this thread is about stories... long ones just put down speeds!
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122... flat land ...tail wind....stock auto xb
Must have been some crazy "tail wind" to get you up to 122mph. unless you are talking about a nice steep hill.

Redneck, 125mph huh? Even with a blower it would have taken you forever to get 125, i've rode in a boosted xb before. very quick below 90mph but after 90 it gets just as sluggish as a n/a 1nz.

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my xb doesnt take too long to get to 125.
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yeah, i had the box up to 125 comin back from HIN miami.....

barried in the governer

but i kept up with a C class benz, a hemi C, and an S40
You do realize that you can keep up with a Formula 1 racer, if they aren't racing. . . so it's not exactly something to brag about.

A hemi C has 340hp. . . and is a LOT faster than an xB. . . even a turbo xB. Even if you somehow managed 200hp, you'd still have a tough time. I'd think that you'd need a MINIMUM of 250 to keep up. I think the 300C was just driving normally (or was in a semi-hurry).
sid you do realize that a hemi c weighs around 3700 pounds.
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122... flat land ...tail wind....stock auto xb
Must have been some crazy "tail wind" to get you up to 122mph. unless you are talking about a nice steep hill.

Redneck, 125mph huh? Even with a blower it would have taken you forever to get 125, i've rode in a boosted xb before. very quick below 90mph but after 90 it gets just as sluggish as a n/a 1nz.

Cya
my xb doesnt take too long to get to 125.
It take a little while, especially after 110 or so it really starts to slug. I've been to 118, that was all the power i had to go to. After this spring maybe i'll do a long run again and see where i top out now just for fun.

Cya
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yeah, i had the box up to 125 comin back from HIN miami.....

barried in the governer

but i kept up with a C class benz, a hemi C, and an S40
You do realize that you can keep up with a Formula 1 racer, if they aren't racing. . . so it's not exactly something to brag about.

A hemi C has 340hp. . . and is a LOT faster than an xB. . . even a turbo xB. Even if you somehow managed 200hp, you'd still have a tough time. I'd think that you'd need a MINIMUM of 250 to keep up. I think the 300C was just driving normally (or was in a semi-hurry).
sid you do realize that a hemi c weighs around 3700 pounds.
Exactly, 200whp you would absolutely smoke a hemi c in the xb. 250whp and you would just be sick fast in the box.

Cya
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Pushing that much power presents traction issues in a FWD box without any kind of limited slip. . .
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And there's nothing that irritates me more than some guy that thinks his car is the ish cuz he chunked down tons of dough or went up to his eyeballs in debt to look cool but thinks my car is slow so will cut me off like a jerk that owns the road but doesn't use all the wonderful HP he bought. I had some jerk do that this morning. He looked right at me, saw us leaving the light and decided he could just pull out in my lane in his shiny big useless truck. It goes both ways.

This is such a useless argument anyway. Its all a matter of opinions and I know we've all got one...
Of course, and again, it's not my intention to offend you. People with fast cars shouldn't pick on slower cars either; in fact it's down right stupid.

I'm just trying to have to you understand that not every car is always "racing." And that a speed competition that involves weaving in and out of traffic has little to do with skill and/or vehicle prowess. You have no idea how frequently it happens and how annoying it can be. Drive driving an EVO for a few days, and you'll know what I mean. People nearly hit you every 2 minutes, trying to race you. True a snob is a snob, but snobs don't kill people.

Now if both cars were to open up on a windy road with no traffic, that'd be a completely different deal. But I completely sympathize with your case. . . and acknowledge that you aren't wrong. A big shiny truck cutting you off deserves to die just as much as a civic who keeps revving at a Porsche.
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sid you do realize that a hemi c weighs around 3700 pounds.
True, but the 5.7L engine also has a MUCH fatter and flatter power curve. But even so, say a 200hp xB beats a 300C, you'd still get wasted by a Vette (unless it's some 80's junker out of tune). . .
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sid you do realize that a hemi c weighs around 3700 pounds.
True, but the 5.7L engine also has a MUCH fatter and flatter power curve. But even so, say a 200hp xB beats a 300C, you'd still get wasted by a Vette (unless it's some 80's junker out of tune). . .
Who cares about straight line. Right mods and you will corner a hell of a lot better than a vette and better than a lot of sports cars. Especially RWD ones. Thats the only problem with RWD and lots of power, when you talk road courses they can't push it as hard as a FWD or AWD car because they will start to fishtail and fall into a skid or loss of controll. Especially when you factor in LSD and weight.

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sid you do realize that a hemi c weighs around 3700 pounds.
True, but the 5.7L engine also has a MUCH fatter and flatter power curve. But even so, say a 200hp xB beats a 300C, you'd still get wasted by a Vette (unless it's some 80's junker out of tune). . .
Not to mention, why even bother using this "you'll still get wasted by _____" speach. I mean, no offense to you or anything but no matter what car you have there will be a faster car. It doesn't matter what you drive. If you truly want to kill virtually all cars buy a Bugatti and call it a day. Otherwise, it doesn't matter what you have under the hood, or whatever. Someone out there will be faster.

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sid i don't need to beat corvettes. just other cars. lol. i dont even care about beating cars just being fast and happy
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sid i don't need to beat corvettes. just other cars. lol. i dont even care about beating cars just being fast and happy
Dude, I'm all for it. . . and I'm in the same boat. . . I just think it's lame to compare an xB to a Vette in terms of performance.
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Who cares about straight line. Right mods and you will corner a hell of a lot better than a vette and better than a lot of sports cars. Especially RWD ones. Thats the only problem with RWD and lots of power, when you talk road courses they can't push it as hard as a FWD or AWD car because they will start to fishtail and fall into a skid or loss of controll. Especially when you factor in LSD and weight.

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That's only true to an unexperienced driver. F1 cars are RWD for a reason. The most common error is lift throttle oversteer which is a driver error. If you learn to properly drive a RWD car, you won't lose control or fishtail.

The Nurburgring is by far the least straight-line oriented track/road course on the planet, and the current Z06 C6 has the top time. Furthermore, the C5R has a very long record of wins against the likes of Porsche and BMW (supposed handling KINGS). Throw in the recent victories of the C6R. . . in the hands of capable driver, the Corvette will beat an xB, straight line or not.

I don't know why so many people take it so personal that an xB cannot beat a Corvette. I love xB's. . . and they can be made pretty damned fast. I'm not trying to bring down the xB in any way whatsoever. . . but there is fact and there is fiction. And fiction is an xB outperforming a Corvette. If you've ever driven one, you'd know that.

And no, I don't own one, nor do I think they are the greatest car in the planet. I'm just trying to be reasonable. And that's that. . . I'll stop arguing now.
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Nobody ever said they were beating Corvettes. This is where things became "unbelievable" to some people:

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yeah, i had the box up to 125 comin back from HIN miami.....

barried in the governer

but i kept up with a C class benz, a hemi C, and an S40
"kept up with" seems believable to me, I guess it depends on what else you are reading into it:

i kept up with a C class benz, a hemi C, and an S40 on the freeway...

i kept up with a C class benz, a hemi C, and an S40 on the Auto-X track

i kept up with a C class benz, a hemi C, and an S40 in the 1/4 mile

i kept up with a C class benz, a hemi C, and an S40 at Laguna Seca

i kept up with a C class benz, a hemi C, and an S40 at Daytona

i kept up with a C class benz, a hemi C, and an S40 in reverse...

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