NVFirefighter

^^ ^^
p2filz Ya happy now

p2filz

what the hell was that up above me 10 lines wasted! anyway corvettes suck any way why are we talking about vettes as if their gods to rekon anyway vettes are horrible cars along wih all other american bastard children the dealers sell them away to strangers and never care for the owners or what they do because the car will shortly live anyway... now good day i say... new addition YES to the above question

RTon20s

Now my eyes hurt from trying to read that.

NVFirefighter

Punctuation is a good thing

killerxromances

Unexperienced or not, yeah they are able to produce extremely well times thats a given, i've been to a few corvette events when i was in Ga and it was autox. However, experience doesn't stop the fact you are slugging lots of weight, lots of power on the rear wheels. You can't push it as hard regardless of what you say. That doesn't mean they can't win, however because they can go into controlled mini-slides and things along the lines of that. I'm sure if you've done it for 30 years you would know all the secrets.

But at that Corvette autox i went to, there were a few there that have been doing it for years, one or two professionals (instructors) and even they wen't into a slide at some point or another. But still produced some of the fastest times.

Cya

killerxromances

Also, F1 cars don't weight near as much as vettes. They are also designed specifically for racing, vettes aren't.

Cya

RedneckwithanxB

it was the first one

Nate aka Nate2085 was with me and suprised that the box did what it did, but i think that there was a significant amount of areo influinces from FOLLOWING the cars, because i never had that much control at 100 before or since

ScionxB06

Pish-posh to all this, my new Bugatti Veyron hits 253mph! But my box will roll a nice 99mph. Anyway, just kiddin about the Bugatti but that would be cool.

RTon20s

You can sit back and badmouth high horsepower (torque) rear wheel drive cars all you want. If that is what will make you feel better. But the fact remains there are very few properly driven, properly suspended powerful rear wheel drive cars (or trucks) that an xB could come close to holding a candle to. Yup, even on a road course. They might stand a chance at an Auto-X course, but it would have to be a pretty short, tight course.

The first 5 vehicles I ever owned were rear wheel drive. And I will tell you from personal experience that I had much better control of those cars than I ever had with a front wheel drive car. Yup, even with all of that over steer producing torque.

If was going to a road course and had to choose between my '99 Dodge Dakota R/T when it was on a 6/8 drop on 18s or my wife's xB on 18s, I would take the Dakota every time. I would even take it over my '98 Prelude SH. Though long and light in the back end, that truck handled like it was on rails. And you want to talk about power? With 345 lb/ft of torque on tap, you could melt the tire pretty much any time you wanted.

If you have never driven, really driven, a rear wheel drive car (or truck) with significant power, you have no idea what you are missing. There is no other driving sensation like it.

killerxromances

Who says im "bad mouthing". And i can post a link here that shows an xb very much keeping up in some cases taking corners better than vettes and porches on a road course. All professional drivers. I'm not saying the xb is anything near a sports car, obviously its not. But lightweight plays a huge advantage if properly tuned, there for it can handle extremely well. I myself have beat quite a few more powerful cars on autox, but i haven't beat too many rwd cars.

And i have driven a rwd car on the track once if you count a friend letting me drive his 320whp rx-7.

Cya

hotbox05

i love rwd. but an xb can still out handle and out beat alot of other cars. believe it or not.

RTon20s

I can post the same exact link. I bet we have all watched that same exact video. And in that clip the only corner at which the xB was really anywhere close to catching that vette was the corner immediately after the vette passed the xB. After that the xB was never really that close. And I am sure the fact that the vette was even still within frame had a lot to do with who was driving the two cars.

Now don't get me wrong, the xB is a great little car, and absolutely fun to drive. My wife owns an '05 auto, and I plan on trying to dump my '98 Prelude SH so I can get an '06 manual xB. I just think it is delusional for people to think that the anemic little boxes we own would stand any kind of real chance against a properly driven, properly suspended high power rear wheel drive car. Again, the xB is great and handles way better than it looks like it should, but it is no superstar.

killerxromances

Well what you fail to mention is the fact that the vette passes on a straight away, after that corner theres a straight away. Its a no brainer the xb will not keep up on straight away, has absolutely no chance at all. I was pointing out where if you actually watch the video, the box was able to take the corner sharper, a little firmer on the ground than the vette. If they vette guy pushed it much harder than that around that corner he would have broke loose i'm sure of it.

Cya

TheScionicMan

But if it's NOT properly driven, then things can change. When did this go from someone "keeping up with" cars on a freeway to this professional driver comparison? I must've missed some posts...

killerxromances

Evolution?

Sciond

this thread gave me a headache...........nothing like a gobs of torque and rwd....and I have awd,fwd,rwd..the most fun to drive is rwd and if your skilled they are the fastest on the track usually

killerxromances

I would say awd is the best for road courses and other tracks along the lines of that. All drivetrain set ups are fun in their own ways, its how you use them to your advantage that makes the difference...imo.

djct_watt

And you are absolutely correct. . . I find it so odd that so many people are upset by the idea that it is NOT, however, the fastest car on the planet.

djct_watt

By the way, I have no idea where you get the info that 'Vette's are heavy. The curb weight of a C6 is 3,170lbs. . . that's about as much as a fully loaded xB and less than a tC. Autox has never been the Corvette's strong point, as autox naturally gives an advantage to shorter wheel base cars (since short wheel bases result in fast turn ins). However a short wheel base car is extremely unstable at high speed. . .
. . . this is why you see RWD Miata's and Lotus's tearing up the autox. A 'Vette has an EXTREMELY long wheelbase, in comparison.

djct_watt

By the way, a Ferrari F430 weighs 3,197lbs, a Ferrari 612 weighs 4,056. . . both of which weigh more than a 'Vette.

And a Ferrari Enzo supercar weighs 3,009. . . which is only about 131lbs less than the 3,132lb C6 ZO6. The argument that the 'Vette is heavy does not hold water. The Enzo is a friggin street legal F1 car.