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Old Dec 19, 2003 | 01:30 AM
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which one do you guys like best which is easier to maintain because personally i love the sound of a good blow off but the whine of the supercharger is just as nice :twisted:
Old Dec 19, 2003 | 01:35 AM
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I can't chose. But I lean more towards the loud blow off valves! But yet again superchargers have that whistle sound! Oh well i guess i choose both.
Old Dec 19, 2003 | 05:18 PM
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As a tuner, turbos all the way!
Old Dec 19, 2003 | 05:21 PM
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I've never owned a supercharged car, but I would be willing to try it.

I'm going to have to say turbo, but with the scions I'd be worried about blowing stuff up...I.E. the rod problems that PT Cruisers were having when they released the turbo.

I'm sure TRD will have the tuning right though...at least, they'd better after making us wait so long!
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but wont the supercharer and turbo produce the same amount of power? or does one make more than the other?
cause i would go wit the supercharger...just to be on the safe side...just so that i dont blow up my engine...hehehehe...
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I would go with the s/c, why because it produces more low in power and more importantly more low end torque which is really what "pushes" the car down the road. Turbo's are better at increasing highend power yes it does sound better but I believe a s/c gives you better results for this engine where it is needed plus I think it would be less wear and tear too, I do believe it's easier to blow up your engine with turbos. besides if you want a "racer" I would look elsewhere. Although the Tc sounds like that might be more of a "racer". I myself want one, but you can't deny the cool look of the xb. hope that helps
Old Dec 19, 2003 | 08:45 PM
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I personnally would go for the supercharger because of its reliability, drivability and nice power band. I already have 2 cars that need constant loving ( maintenance) and ones turbo and the others going to be...
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Originally Posted by DjFrOsT
but wont the supercharer and turbo produce the same amount of power? or does one make more than the other?
cause i would go wit the supercharger...just to be on the safe side...just so that i dont blow up my engine...hehehehe...
actually the turbo produces more power than your average supercharger. Because of what they call parasitic drag. On the supercharger it take power to make power because its bel driven. While the turbo uses wasted exhaust gas, to make power...
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our supercharger should be in for our project xB next week! Cross your fingers!
Old Dec 19, 2003 | 09:56 PM
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you lucky bastards....drew you better let me drive it next time i'm there! :?
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you lucky bastards....drew you better let me drive it next time i'm there! :?
you got it!

Let's wait until we get everything installed and running first...I don't want to count chickens before they hatch. They've been promising us this supercharger since august, so I'll be happy if it actually shows up next week.
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Originally Posted by diamond31
which one do you guys like best which is easier to maintain because personally i love the sound of a good blow off but the whine of the supercharger is just as nice :twisted:
easier to maintain is a super charger. a little less power though.
Old Dec 19, 2003 | 10:30 PM
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superchargers are pretty good instant throttle response power with pretty drastic fuel consumption while turbo's have mild to heavy lag with possibly huge gains and even huger (yes I know that's not even a word) implosions and of course not as drastic fuel consumption.

As the saying goes, "Go Big or Go Home!!!"

All for the turbo even with the knowledge we have rods the width of two #2 pencils.
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here is an good write up on superchargers or turbos

http://www.speedoption.com/articles/3682/
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while turbo's have mild to heavy lag with possibly huge gains and even huger (yes I know that's not even a word) implosions and of course not as drastic fuel consumption.
sorry your wrong... Turbos drink alot more fuel when your boosting. And as for the lag; you wouldnt have any lag with the properly sized turbo... You can have a turbo spin at 1500 rpm if you wanted too...
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our supercharger should be in for our project xB next week! Cross your fingers!


Hey Drew who's s/c Blitz, Trd someone else's? How much $ ? what are the gains? Thanks buddy
Old Dec 20, 2003 | 01:41 AM
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It's the Blitz!

We've been trying to get our hands on one for months, and they told us in August like "two more weeks."

Here we are, the last week of December and they say it's finally coming next week.
Anyway, as soon as we get it in and get her running, I'll let you guys know what's up. I'll get some pics too!

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Originally Posted by Wraith
sorry your wrong... Turbos drink alot more fuel when your boosting. And as for the lag; you wouldnt have any lag with the properly sized turbo... You can have a turbo spin at 1500 rpm if you wanted too...
True but how much boost do you think an engine such as the 1NZ-FE can take? I'm basing it on our engines. I understand that at higher boost there is more fuel consumption. Hence lower boost required in our engines = lower fuel consumption.

After we aren't drive around in a boost friendly 3S-GTE such as yourself but hey once I get to your level...i'll definitely love to burn gas too. And thanks for pointing out the lag factor too but I meant the turbo lag in comparison to a non lagging supercharger.
Old Dec 20, 2003 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Scionic
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sorry your wrong... Turbos drink alot more fuel when your boosting. And as for the lag; you wouldnt have any lag with the properly sized turbo... You can have a turbo spin at 1500 rpm if you wanted too...
True but how much boost do you think an engine such as the 1NZ-FE can take? I'm basing it on our engines. I understand that at higher boost there is more fuel consumption. Hence lower boost required in our engines = lower fuel consumption.

After we aren't drive around in a boost friendly 3S-GTE such as yourself but hey once I get to your level...i'll definitely love to burn gas too. And thanks for pointing out the lag factor too but I meant the turbo lag in comparison to a non lagging supercharger.
sorry to have came on too strong on that response... Its just that there is an HKS kit made for the Vitz and the BB in Japan. Its boosted aty 0.7bar and it makes nearly 160 whp and thats on the a 1nz-fe...
Old Dec 20, 2003 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Wraith
sorry to have came on too strong on that response... Its just that there is an HKS kit made for the Vitz and the BB in Japan. Its boosted aty 0.7bar and it makes nearly 160 whp and thats on the a 1nz-fe...
All good...that's what forums are for right? :wink:

Anyway JDM kits are always the sh!@t, but so is the gas there. I wish we could run the same octane they do but unfortunately we either have to search for gas stations or wait for the track to get stuff that's even close. So detonation is something we would definitely have to worry about especially with 10.6 compression and french fry thick rods. Also I hear that the ECU's are setup differently here so fuel management would also be another consideration to factor in.

Either way any type of forced induction is cool with me. I just want to see someone do it already since I don't have the bank to drop on a project like that.

So Wraith, what's on your Camry sleeper "kill list" ?



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