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lucky · 11-13-2004, 02:13 AM

I've read some threads about this in the past but they didn't answer my qustions and I can't find them now anyways. I'd really love to get ahold of a remote start unit for the tC. It's getting cold here in MI and I'm thinking of moving up near the U.P. where it's even worse.

I imagine that under the perfect scenario, a unit would feature:

1. A valet switch for saftely.

2. Some sort of interface to the tranny to tell whether it's in neutral or not. If not, then it won't remote start.

3. Some sort of interface ot the parking brake to be able to tell if it's pulled up all the way. If it isn't , it wouldn't remote start.

Now I figure #3 could be relatively easy by rigging a trip circuit that would not loop the power to the remote starter unless it's pulled up all the way.

No. #2 seems a bit more complex. Any retail units that can do this? Or has anyone fabricated a sensor or template to be able what gear the car is in? Most shops, even customs places, won't touch remote starts for MTX cars so I'm wondering what kind of expertise this might require.

Ideas? Solutions?

Rivulent · 11-13-2004, 02:47 AM

Well, 3 is rather unnecessary, because if the car is in nuetral and the car doesn't have the e-brake engaged, then the car will be rolling before starting it (or not, if it's level).

clutch part is easy, because if anything else, you can take the button behind the clutch down so that the ecu thinks the clutch is engaged at all times. Never done it before, so not sure if any bad things can come of that.

VtScionGuy · 11-13-2004, 03:19 AM

It's probably illegal in your area to have one on a stick shift and for good reason. It's cool that you thinking about the safety concerns, but I'd hate to be the guy who started his car and ran over a 5 year old.

lucky · 11-13-2004, 03:43 AM

Hence the addition of several layers of safety. I picked up an idea from another forum here that the handbrake could be converted to bush-botton with an actuator actually tightening the brake cable. Could be ideal here since the remote start would be made to pull the handbrake automatically even if you forgot. But I'm sure there is a more low-tech solution in the meantime.

BoomBox757 · 11-13-2004, 04:31 AM

I have one on my MT xB, doesn't have all those safety things. it’s a great unit, Autopage 855. I had a old one that claimed that you had to do a sequence of events so the car knows its in neutral when your cutting it off. that’s the lynx 2000, check out www.asianwolf.com I never got it working so I can't back it up. I just got in the habit when I first started to drive stick to leave it in neutral, and I always double check too, so I don't need to worry

SuperCrunchyAction · 11-13-2004, 07:19 AM

No ideas, no solutions. Don't do it. All it takes is that one time you forget to put it in neutral or whatever else you have figured out and that's the end of that.

brownbanana · 11-13-2004, 07:38 AM

i got a computstar remote start on my manual tC..when you turn off your car, you have to leave in neutral, pulle ebrake up, turn off car and take keys out...the engine is still running until you open drivers door and close it again...then alarm is set...if you dont go through that and just turn car off in 1st..you would be able to use remote start

brownbanana · 11-13-2004, 07:39 AM

to add on, you gotta go through that little sequence...so a short version
park car in 1st=remote start wont work
follow sequence which includes parkin in neutral=then you can remote start

lucky · 11-13-2004, 02:33 PM

Could you answer a few more questions?

1. What specific unit is it?
2. What if you don't want it on? Like if you want to park in 1st for whatever reason? Seems like if the engine stays on until you open/close door you wouldn't be able to do this.

thanks for the input.

brownbanana · 11-13-2004, 02:43 PM

1. i think was the 2wss-as
2. you can park in first if you like and the engine will shut off as normal..you just cant use the remote start if you do that.

BoomBox757 · 11-13-2004, 05:08 PM

thats what the lynx 2000 was suppose to do, I know that some shops do some laser ____ or something to make sure its in neutral

violent_b · 11-14-2004, 03:07 PM

I did an Audiovox 996 alarm/remote start on my 5 speed Explorer Sport Trac and Ranger. the key is putting your own safety devices in. I made a ring that went around the shifer that if the shifter is in any gear except neutral that the remote start won't work. there are more and more alarm companies making remote starts for manuals.

lucky · 11-14-2004, 04:52 PM

What problems may I encounter due to the factory immobilizer and how do I get around them?

installerguy · 11-14-2004, 06:56 PM

let me break it down for you. Get a DEI, otherwise known as Directed Electronics, either a Python 881xv, Clifford RS3.5, or Viper 791xv. All are DEI, all are excellent. Second, DEI makes an interface called 556U, newer version of 555U, but you will loose a key. This device has a coil that gets wrapped around your ignition switch and then reads the resistance of your key, and fools the car into thinking a key is in the ign,allowing you car to remote start. The device is a "box" that you put the progremmed key into, and then there is a long wire that has a loop at the end which goes around your ign. This device must be used with an alarm, obviously. To get this powered, must use a relay. To wire it, on the relay, bosch style spdt relay. do not use pin 87a; pin 85 and 87 get +12v, pin 86 gets connected to the negative status wire off the alarm, pin 30 goes to the 556u which when activated turns on, and viola. If this is confusing pm me. Its easy in my head, but can't really explain too well. On the second part, a company calle Peripherial makes a piece that does what brownbanana talks about, but you can still leave it in gear. This won't cause the car to lurch forward or anything, a safety device if you will. Or you could not get this piece and leave you car in neutral.

tekniq · 11-14-2004, 10:59 PM

Well, correct me if wrong, but the TC dosen't have enough power to stay running if you have it in gear and try to start it but release the clutch too quickly... even if you just leave it in first and let out the clutch slowly.. and just let off the gas entirely the car would shake and die because it didnt have enough power to move the gears... this is from my limited knowledge of a manual, as I got this 2 weeks ago and I'm just learning on it

Anyways, the car didnt move at all, the engine promptly killed as I hadn't let the clutch out slow enough... I also doubt that "fooling" the ecu into thinking the clutch is in will allow the car to start if its in gear... it may try, but you're going to kill it immediately. Car may not be warm, but it wont be in the neighbors house either.

I'm getting the Autopage 855 installed this week along with my tint. I'm just apprehensive about them taking my steering column apart... other than that, the install is fairly in-obtrusive for an alarm isn't it?

I'm sure that they would be offended if I asked to be there while he installed it ;)

Anyone had experience with the controllers that roll up your windows and close your sunroof when the alarm is armed? Thinking of adding these and the sensor for around the car in case someone is too close.. Too much audio stuff going in to risk anything.

Anyways, thanks for the replies in advance!

SuperCrunchyAction · 11-14-2004, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tekniq

Well, correct me if wrong, but the TC dosen't have enough power to stay running if you have it in gear and try to start it but release the clutch too quickly... even if you just leave it in first and let out the clutch slowly.. and just let off the gas entirely the car would shake and die because it didnt have enough power to move the gears... this is from my limited knowledge of a manual, as I got this 2 weeks ago and I'm just learning on it

Anyways, the car didnt move at all, the engine promptly killed as I hadn't let the clutch out slow enough... I also doubt that "fooling" the ecu into thinking the clutch is in will allow the car to start if its in gear... it may try, but you're going to kill it immediately. Car may not be warm, but it wont be in the neighbors house either.

I'm getting the Autopage 855 installed this week along with my tint. I'm just apprehensive about them taking my steering column apart... other than that, the install is fairly in-obtrusive for an alarm isn't it?

I'm sure that they would be offended if I asked to be there while he installed it ;)

Anyone had experience with the controllers that roll up your windows and close your sunroof when the alarm is armed? Thinking of adding these and the sensor for around the car in case someone is too close.. Too much audio stuff going in to risk anything.

Anyways, thanks for the replies in advance!

Why would you try and start a manual car in gear with the clutch out? Makes no sense...

Rivulent · 11-15-2004, 12:02 AM

First of all, the car will stall if it starts in gear because there is no throttle keeping it alive. This is true in any car, not just the tC (it's not a "power issue"). Tell me a car that's manual that can't be stalled, other than something electronically governed to stay above a certain RPM at all times (which, I don't think exists, just seems plausible)

tekniq · 11-15-2004, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperCrunchyAction

Why would you try and start a manual car in gear with the clutch out? Makes no sense...

Sorry, too much pseudophedrine tonight

winter sucks!

I tried to edit for clarity but what I meant was when I picked my car up from the dealer after getting leather installed, whoever moved my car had that bad habit of leaving it in gear, and I wasn't thinking it would be in gear, so I didnt check... Started it and let off the clutch as quickly as i pushed it in because it was supposed to be in neutral like I always leave it.... Not the case... so engine died something fast and the car didnt move/lurch maybe more than a few centimeters.

Hope that helps claify.

tekniq · 11-15-2004, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rivulent

First of all, the car will stall if it starts in gear because there is no throttle keeping it alive. This is true in any car, not just the tC (it's not a "power issue"). Tell me a car that's manual that can't be stalled, other than something electronically governed to stay above a certain RPM at all times (which, I don't think exists, just seems plausible)

Well, I know that a friends lil NeonSRT4 will idle without any throttle, it will even roll forward like an automatic at idle speed, so will my friend's turbo jetta. I'm not sure if this is the case when starting it however. I didn't mean to make any statements that were deragatory toward the tC.

I love my car... I think it's plenty powerful!

BoomBox757 · 11-15-2004, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rivulent

First of all, the car will stall if it starts in gear because there is no throttle keeping it alive. This is true in any car, not just the tC (it's not a "power issue"). Tell me a car that's manual that can't be stalled, other than something electronically governed to stay above a certain RPM at all times (which, I don't think exists, just seems plausible)

You could adjust the throttle cable and put it up to idle at 2000 rpm, you don't need some electric thing, question is why would you want your car to be able to start in gear and drive off?