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Old Feb 7, 2005 | 05:13 PM
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Default New Scion...need more power!

Where should I go to get more hp out of this baby. I love my Scion, but it's weak!! HELP!!!!
Old Feb 7, 2005 | 08:31 PM
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INTAKE header and exhaUST.
Old Feb 7, 2005 | 09:07 PM
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Trade it in on something with more power. It's a budget car,
not a sports car.
Old Feb 7, 2005 | 10:27 PM
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So many people complain that their Scions are weak, or slow. Raven's right: it's a budget car, not a sports car. If you want to peel out at lights and race Civics left and right, look elsewhere.
Old Feb 7, 2005 | 11:42 PM
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I dont' think that's the point guys. Some of us bought the cars for the style they provide. We just wanna know if there are ways to squeeze any more power out of 'em while keeping that style. Buying a different car doesn't help...
Old Feb 8, 2005 | 12:20 AM
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Besides the traditional I.H.E. setup, you can add other mods that will help plant that power efficiently to your four wheels.

Mods like that include;
Lightweight Flywheel
Lightweight crank pulley
High flow cat and resonator
Larger injectors and iridium plugs
Old Feb 8, 2005 | 12:40 AM
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OK Then.

Supercharger or Turbo Charger

Upgrade the exhaust
Upgrade the fuel system
Upgrade the air intake
At that point you should upgrade the brakes for safety.

Now you just turned a $15,000 car into a $25,000 car and voided your
warranties.

Sorry to sound like a _____, but it's a 110HP budget box. And that's at the flywheel.
Real world HP at the wheels is about 93HP.

Now you want to add some amps, subs, deadening, lighting, braces, bigger heavier
wheels. Now instead of 93HP pushing a 2380LB car, it's pushing a 2500lb not
including you sitting in it.

In the Porsche club we have a saying, the best performance increase you can do
to *any* car, is make it lighter.

Maybe if you are looking for power, start with the tC and get the Super Charger
that is coming out in March (I think). The Scion are well designed (for what they
are intended to be), and don't cut too many corners to cut cost. But the xA is
*not* a performance/sports car.
Old Feb 8, 2005 | 11:17 AM
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Good post ^. I agree completely. It's like I said in another thread somewhere; the reason I am so happy with my xA is because I have realistic expectations from it. It wasn't designed to be a performance car, so I'm not going to complain about it's performance. It's not a luxury car, so I won't complain about the ride. I think my xA has plenty of zip for around town and does just fine cruising the highway. Is it's speed going to impress anyone? No, but if that's what I wanted my car to do, I would have bought a different car. I love my xA.
Old Feb 8, 2005 | 07:44 PM
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geez guys . alot of people bought these cars for their unique styling and value. but that doesnt mean we cant expect the same gains a honda could make . i know it's not that easy but come on most newer people think that they can. relax. if someone wants to make it a hot rod let them. fark i mean chill. i know i'm gonna squeeze in another motor to get the power but alot of people arent looking for a rocket. most people just want the pickup and power to be respectable which 110 at the fly is not. intake header exhuats , and iridiums will get you a nicely tuned decently quick perfectly capable car. stock just will not cut it.
Old Feb 8, 2005 | 08:20 PM
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Speed is just a question of MONEY. How fast do you want to go?
Old Feb 9, 2005 | 12:18 AM
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the best mod you can do to any car is make it lighter?

go by this rule

for every 100lbs you remove, it will be 1/2 a car length.
Old Feb 9, 2005 | 01:03 AM
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and get lighter rims, not those stupid 18-19" pizza pans that people put on there. i mean i wasn't that great at physics but the 8lb rims on my old civic made a huge difference in handling and arguably acceleration and braking.
Old Feb 9, 2005 | 01:04 AM
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8 pound rims r gonna be bank rolla
Old Feb 9, 2005 | 01:11 AM
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i had an 05 xB 5spd with aem intake, greddy sp2 exhaust, dcsports header. it had plenty of power for me, i never had any issues getting up to speed or anything. it was plenty of power for me.

i did notice a big difference when i took the intake off before trading it in, it didnt rev up as quick
Old Feb 9, 2005 | 01:12 AM
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they were just the VX rims. exact same size as my stock steel rims. one could get bigger size rims in that weight but pay a hefty price for them.
Old Feb 9, 2005 | 01:16 AM
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yeah i'd like some track light 17 pound 17"s , kinda expensive but lighter than stock and bigger than stock . nice. theyre almost always frickin flat black lol.
Old Feb 9, 2005 | 01:53 AM
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Are these the plugs you guys are taling about?

http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/product.../iridiumix.asp
Old Feb 9, 2005 | 02:01 AM
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All the real world studies I've read showed that regular
copper core plugs perform the best. The Iridium plugs only
last longer and perform equally as well. The Porsche Club
tests a LOT of this stuff out to dispell the BS. It's too easy
to get caught up in magnets and super plugs and magic
wires and super oils and be throwing money away.

Speaking of lighter rims, I'm breaking my own rule of keeping
it light....I REALLY, REALLY want chrome or polished rims
and I want to go 17". I've spent a couple of hours a day for
the past week searching, and the only rims I like are 26lbs
each where the stock steels are...what 16lbs?

Bah, damn triple chrome plating is heavy! I hope I don't
regret getting these rims!
Old Feb 9, 2005 | 03:13 AM
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i think stock rims are alot more than 16. not sure tho. upgrade yer brakes , i'm borrowing some 18"s and man they look good but , i thot theyd slow me down alot but they really havent they have however increased my braking time by ALOT.
Old Feb 9, 2005 | 03:46 AM
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I thought the stock wheel/tire was ~37 pounds. Seems like the steelies would weigh more than 16 pounds if the combo is 37.



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