for the people not getting their EPA mpg
http://money.cnn.com/2004/09/02/pf/autos/epa/index.htm
I get close... most times under... but its winter... I'm hoping it gets better in the summer
I get close... most times under... but its winter... I'm hoping it gets better in the summer
Good find! Very interesting article. 
So far, I've averaged 31.3 mpg. All city, no interstate. I just installed an Injen intake, so we'll see if/how the milage changes.
Thanks again for the article!

So far, I've averaged 31.3 mpg. All city, no interstate. I just installed an Injen intake, so we'll see if/how the milage changes.
Thanks again for the article!
With a HP/weight ratio almost identical to the Xb, I find it interesting that the Mini Cooper is getting a lot of the same complaints regarding EPA mileage.
http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/10/...cient_in_class
Tends to confirm the article you mentioned.
http://www.motoringfile.com/2004/10/...cient_in_class
Tends to confirm the article you mentioned.
To everyone complaining about the morale and attidue on the site going downhill, i must say a big thank you to Chimy3 for posting the link. It was very informative and a help. More people need to follow in his example and make this site better for all users. Once again, thanks Chimmy3, now i know why i get about 25-30mpg and i dont feel bad about it now.
35*.85=~30MPG Well, there you have it.
So then this begs another question to be asked. Why has fuel efficiency gone down so much over the last 10-15 years?
I had a '87 nova with a 1.6L that got 42MPG (well over EPA). A '95 Contour 2.0L that got 36MPG (again, well over EPA, heavier car and more HP). 1997 Safari, I got exactly EPA on that.
I personally think they are trying to get too much out of too little displacement wise and it's adversely effecting mileage. A little bigger engine that can more easily achieve higher HP and esp Torque numbers would move the box with less strain/revs. I dunno. I'm willing to have them shoehorn a big engine in mine if they'd like to test my theory ;-)
So then this begs another question to be asked. Why has fuel efficiency gone down so much over the last 10-15 years?
I had a '87 nova with a 1.6L that got 42MPG (well over EPA). A '95 Contour 2.0L that got 36MPG (again, well over EPA, heavier car and more HP). 1997 Safari, I got exactly EPA on that.
I personally think they are trying to get too much out of too little displacement wise and it's adversely effecting mileage. A little bigger engine that can more easily achieve higher HP and esp Torque numbers would move the box with less strain/revs. I dunno. I'm willing to have them shoehorn a big engine in mine if they'd like to test my theory ;-)
I just did my second fill up at the 444 mile mark and I calculated that I'm getting 25.8 mpg (100% city driving, stop and go). I see posts on here that this increases during the first couple of thousand miles for the "break in period". We'll see.
Originally Posted by superjeer
35*.85=~30MPG Well, there you have it.
So then this begs another question to be asked. Why has fuel efficiency gone down so much over the last 10-15 years?
So then this begs another question to be asked. Why has fuel efficiency gone down so much over the last 10-15 years?
Meanwhile in Europe they have high performance diesels that rival gas cars for performance, outclass them in torque and longevity and get 30-50 mpg.
Instead we get a handful of hybrids, none of which can come close to living up to their claimed MPG (my Jetta TDI regularly exceeded the EPA estimate of 49 mpg)
It's a function of our culture. Bigger, better, faster, more.
Until the government gets serious about fuel economy and the environment (chance of that under a Republican administration = ZERO) nothing will change.
Very few Americans care about driving a vehicle that is socially responsible, only way you are going to compel the SUV driving idiots into fuel thrifty wagons is by raising the price of gasoline $1+ a gallon. I'm all for that if it means less a$$holes in SUVs on the roads.
Originally Posted by Rion
Originally Posted by superjeer
35*.85=~30MPG Well, there you have it.
So then this begs another question to be asked. Why has fuel efficiency gone down so much over the last 10-15 years?
So then this begs another question to be asked. Why has fuel efficiency gone down so much over the last 10-15 years?
Meanwhile in Europe they have high performance diesels that rival gas cars for performance, outclass them in torque and longevity and get 30-50 mpg.
Instead we get a handful of hybrids, none of which can come close to living up to their claimed MPG (my Jetta TDI regularly exceeded the EPA estimate of 49 mpg)
It's a function of our culture. Bigger, better, faster, more.
Until the government gets serious about fuel economy and the environment (chance of that under a Republican administration = ZERO) nothing will change.
Very few Americans care about driving a vehicle that is socially responsible, only way you are going to compel the SUV driving idiots into fuel thrifty wagons is by raising the price of gasoline $1+ a gallon. I'm all for that if it means less a$$holes in SUVs on the roads.
With all the men and women dying in Iraq, the only socially responsible thing to do would be to drive a fuel efficient car. But as you say, under a Republican administration, it won't change. As long as we drive a economy car (the xB), we are better Americans than someone who drives a Hummer.
hey ya'll,
there have been stories ALL week on the local news here in Chicago stating that the testing for fuel mileage is out of date and the numbers are usually false in real life driving.
I get 27-29 now, but with it being winter I let my baby warm up, plus i likes a warm car too, so I know i'm wasting gas. And, my driving style is a little quick so I burn gas that way too.
But, seeing that I was used to 22 - 25 with previous vehicles this is right on the money and I know it'll get better in the summer as it doesn't get so hot you really need the a/c on much of the time.
there have been stories ALL week on the local news here in Chicago stating that the testing for fuel mileage is out of date and the numbers are usually false in real life driving.
I get 27-29 now, but with it being winter I let my baby warm up, plus i likes a warm car too, so I know i'm wasting gas. And, my driving style is a little quick so I burn gas that way too.
But, seeing that I was used to 22 - 25 with previous vehicles this is right on the money and I know it'll get better in the summer as it doesn't get so hot you really need the a/c on much of the time.






