Clutch Bypass for Remote Start
04-03-2005, 05:11 AM
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i use the brand called ultra starters for manual vehicles cause they have units desined to work wit standard cars the way they work is fool proof unless a window is open and someone reaches in and puts the car in gear put in over 50 and have not had any problems
09-05-2005, 07:01 PM
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I have been watching this thread.
I have an 06 xb that I want to put an Autopage alarm/remote start in.
I live in TX and I would like to be able to remote start and know the inside temp.
After reading through this, I built a neutral switch using a strong small magnet
mounted to the shift linkage and a 1 amp reed switch. The switch is run in
parallel to the clutch bypass switch.
My xb can start in neutral, or when the clutch is pressed in. It will not start in gear without pushing in the clutch.
I have an 06 xb that I want to put an Autopage alarm/remote start in.
I live in TX and I would like to be able to remote start and know the inside temp.
After reading through this, I built a neutral switch using a strong small magnet
mounted to the shift linkage and a 1 amp reed switch. The switch is run in
parallel to the clutch bypass switch.
My xb can start in neutral, or when the clutch is pressed in. It will not start in gear without pushing in the clutch.
09-05-2005, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by coop402
I have been watching this thread.
I have an 06 xb that I want to put an Autopage alarm/remote start in.
I live in TX and I would like to be able to remote start and know the inside temp.
After reading through this, I built a neutral switch using a strong small magnet
mounted to the shift linkage and a 1 amp reed switch. The switch is run in
parallel to the clutch bypass switch.
My xb can start in neutral, or when the clutch is pressed in. It will not start in gear without pushing in the clutch.
I have an 06 xb that I want to put an Autopage alarm/remote start in.
I live in TX and I would like to be able to remote start and know the inside temp.
After reading through this, I built a neutral switch using a strong small magnet
mounted to the shift linkage and a 1 amp reed switch. The switch is run in
parallel to the clutch bypass switch.
My xb can start in neutral, or when the clutch is pressed in. It will not start in gear without pushing in the clutch.
Did you mesure the current through the neutral switch to make sure that the reed switch is within its specs?
The neutral switch is the cleanest way to go, since it is as close to foolproof as you can get.
George
09-05-2005, 09:57 PM
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I don't have pictures yet.
One thing, though.
I have the short shift, so I am not sure if I have more, or less clearance for this mod.
At first I used an alarm type reed switch, Too much juice, stuck it closed shut first pass.
In Dallas, we have a place called Tanner Electronics.
I found a glass tube 1amp reed switch, bout 1 inch long.
Looked something like this:
http://www.standexelectronics.com/gr100.htm
I also found a package of high powered magnets, bout maybe .25 inches in diameter
pill shaped little deals.
I made an L shaped bracket to hold the tube shaped reed switch vertically over
the right hand shift linkage. Since the leads came out of the ends, I had to cut the
lead short and solder the wire to it. Passing the end of the reed switch over the magnet worked perfectly. At first sight you would think only the center of the
tube would matter.
The magnet was adjusted along the shift linkage under the reed switch
when in neutral. It held itself in place for testing. Then I used silicone.
I also used heat shrink to cover the end of the reed switch and keep
connections from showing.
I ran both connections for the reed switch to the 2 clutch switch wires.
It works great, just as I said.
A couple of notes:
Yes it seems weird that you could pass a magnet over the END of the
tube, but it works great.
I have a surprising amount of clearance between the reed and magnet,
maybe like 3/4 inch.
The shift rod moves maybe 2 inches back and forth, plenty of throw for this to work.
One thing, though.
I have the short shift, so I am not sure if I have more, or less clearance for this mod.
At first I used an alarm type reed switch, Too much juice, stuck it closed shut first pass.
In Dallas, we have a place called Tanner Electronics.
I found a glass tube 1amp reed switch, bout 1 inch long.
Looked something like this:
http://www.standexelectronics.com/gr100.htm
I also found a package of high powered magnets, bout maybe .25 inches in diameter
pill shaped little deals.
I made an L shaped bracket to hold the tube shaped reed switch vertically over
the right hand shift linkage. Since the leads came out of the ends, I had to cut the
lead short and solder the wire to it. Passing the end of the reed switch over the magnet worked perfectly. At first sight you would think only the center of the
tube would matter.
The magnet was adjusted along the shift linkage under the reed switch
when in neutral. It held itself in place for testing. Then I used silicone.
I also used heat shrink to cover the end of the reed switch and keep
connections from showing.
I ran both connections for the reed switch to the 2 clutch switch wires.
It works great, just as I said.
A couple of notes:
Yes it seems weird that you could pass a magnet over the END of the
tube, but it works great.
I have a surprising amount of clearance between the reed and magnet,
maybe like 3/4 inch.
The shift rod moves maybe 2 inches back and forth, plenty of throw for this to work.
11-03-2005, 09:23 AM
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How To - Bypass the clutch for Remote Start (xB)
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08-03-2006, 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by coop402
I don't have pictures yet.
One thing, though.
I have the short shift, so I am not sure if I have more, or less clearance for this mod.
At first I used an alarm type reed switch, Too much juice, stuck it closed shut first pass.
In Dallas, we have a place called Tanner Electronics.
I found a glass tube 1amp reed switch, bout 1 inch long.
Looked something like this:
http://www.standexelectronics.com/gr100.htm
I also found a package of high powered magnets, bout maybe .25 inches in diameter
pill shaped little deals.
I made an L shaped bracket to hold the tube shaped reed switch vertically over
the right hand shift linkage. Since the leads came out of the ends, I had to cut the
lead short and solder the wire to it. Passing the end of the reed switch over the magnet worked perfectly. At first sight you would think only the center of the
tube would matter.
The magnet was adjusted along the shift linkage under the reed switch
when in neutral. It held itself in place for testing. Then I used silicone.
I also used heat shrink to cover the end of the reed switch and keep
connections from showing.
I ran both connections for the reed switch to the 2 clutch switch wires.
It works great, just as I said.
A couple of notes:
Yes it seems weird that you could pass a magnet over the END of the
tube, but it works great.
I have a surprising amount of clearance between the reed and magnet,
maybe like 3/4 inch.
The shift rod moves maybe 2 inches back and forth, plenty of throw for this to work.
One thing, though.
I have the short shift, so I am not sure if I have more, or less clearance for this mod.
At first I used an alarm type reed switch, Too much juice, stuck it closed shut first pass.
In Dallas, we have a place called Tanner Electronics.
I found a glass tube 1amp reed switch, bout 1 inch long.
Looked something like this:
http://www.standexelectronics.com/gr100.htm
I also found a package of high powered magnets, bout maybe .25 inches in diameter
pill shaped little deals.
I made an L shaped bracket to hold the tube shaped reed switch vertically over
the right hand shift linkage. Since the leads came out of the ends, I had to cut the
lead short and solder the wire to it. Passing the end of the reed switch over the magnet worked perfectly. At first sight you would think only the center of the
tube would matter.
The magnet was adjusted along the shift linkage under the reed switch
when in neutral. It held itself in place for testing. Then I used silicone.
I also used heat shrink to cover the end of the reed switch and keep
connections from showing.
I ran both connections for the reed switch to the 2 clutch switch wires.
It works great, just as I said.
A couple of notes:
Yes it seems weird that you could pass a magnet over the END of the
tube, but it works great.
I have a surprising amount of clearance between the reed and magnet,
maybe like 3/4 inch.
The shift rod moves maybe 2 inches back and forth, plenty of throw for this to work.
08-10-2006, 02:35 AM
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Re: How To - Bypass the clutch for Remote Start (xB)
Originally Posted by BrianxB
If youre adding remote start to an xB you will obviously have to bypass the clutch so it will start. The advantage to wiring it this way is that if you ever give someone your keys to take your car for any reason, they still have to push in the clutch to start the car. This is how Ive wired it in my xB.
You will need a Bosch style relay (SPDT) and some extra wire/connectors to wire this to your remote start.
The clutch switch has two wires leading to it and is located near the bottom of the clutch pedal assembly. When the pinswitch is depressed, the two wires create a circuit that sends a signal to the starter to start the car. What you have to do is "fool" the car into thinking that the pedal is down and complete the circuit.
Wiring:
Terminal ----> Where the wire goes
86 ------> constant 12v = battery
85 ------> ground wire from remote start while its engaged. On DEI systems this wire is usually reffered to as the status output wire.
30 ------> one of the two clutch switch wires
87 ------> the other clutch switch wire
Do not cut off the clutch switch, simply tap the wires from 30 and 87 onto them and solder them into place. Now when the remote start is activated it will complete the circuit and start the car. When starting the car with the key you will still have to push in the clutch to start it.
note- I tried just pulsing ground to one side of the switch and it quickly blew a fuse under the hood. this is why I wired it this way.
You will need a Bosch style relay (SPDT) and some extra wire/connectors to wire this to your remote start.
The clutch switch has two wires leading to it and is located near the bottom of the clutch pedal assembly. When the pinswitch is depressed, the two wires create a circuit that sends a signal to the starter to start the car. What you have to do is "fool" the car into thinking that the pedal is down and complete the circuit.
Wiring:
Terminal ----> Where the wire goes
86 ------> constant 12v = battery
85 ------> ground wire from remote start while its engaged. On DEI systems this wire is usually reffered to as the status output wire.
30 ------> one of the two clutch switch wires
87 ------> the other clutch switch wire
Do not cut off the clutch switch, simply tap the wires from 30 and 87 onto them and solder them into place. Now when the remote start is activated it will complete the circuit and start the car. When starting the car with the key you will still have to push in the clutch to start it.
note- I tried just pulsing ground to one side of the switch and it quickly blew a fuse under the hood. this is why I wired it this way.
If you are looking to remote start a manual trans car the right way, with out some ghetto fabulous nuetral saftey switch do the following
1-buy a DEI remotestart and then
2-buy a Peripheral Electronics NSS
3-follow DEI, Peripheral and BrianXB's instruction
Or
1-go to your local Compustar dealer and tell them you want them to install a really good alarm that will remote start your manual out of the box (still requires BrianXB's instructions)
05-21-2010, 01:42 AM
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Just get a momentary push button from radio shack and hot glue it directly underneath the shifter when in neutral. Just make sure the button is pushed down when in neutral. Then wire the switch in series with the parking brake alarm wire.
The alarm will only remote start when the car is in neutral. If left in gear the alarm thinks that the brake is not set, so the car will not start.
Has worked great so far.
The alarm will only remote start when the car is in neutral. If left in gear the alarm thinks that the brake is not set, so the car will not start.
Has worked great so far.
10-07-2012, 04:42 PM
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There is an easier way to bypass clutch.
The small white plug at the base has a black wire and a black/yellow wire.
The black/yellow is the only one you need.
black/yellow needs 12 volts to crank starter
From the remote starter use the starter wire and connect it to the black/yellow wire.
(do not connect the start wire at the ignition switch)
much easier than a relay
The small white plug at the base has a black wire and a black/yellow wire.
The black/yellow is the only one you need.
black/yellow needs 12 volts to crank starter
From the remote starter use the starter wire and connect it to the black/yellow wire.
(do not connect the start wire at the ignition switch)
much easier than a relay
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