lol

 

if you hold the steering wheel straight, does the car veer off to one side?

 

^YES!!! to right. on TRD springs!

 

Thank you. I don't know where he got that information but even though I worked in automotive almost a decade ago, he had me second guessing myself. He sold it really well.

On another note: So even following instructions through TRD spring install regardless of brand, the known rear camber problem is still apparent? I'm gonna take the plunge regardless. I can't roll stock. My '09 tc was on Tein S-techs and loved the stance. I feel like I'm in a fancy Tacoma right now with factory ride height. LOL.

 

Ok so I browsed this thread and tried to read all of it but I got kinda lost in all the specs talk. Essentially, I just wanna know if there is a way to fix this yet and get the camber to as near neutral looking as possible? It bugs THE HELL outta me that I got a brand new car, nicely dropped on a set of volks, and to see the rears sitting like this: /----\

 

No, nothing yet. There is a member here independantly doing his own camber correction piece and although I don't know if a large company will buy the design and mass produce it or not, I'm still excited that someone is doing something.

 

Yeah, I guess the fact that at least one person is taking an interest in our problem is reason enough to celebrate... Still sucks tho to be ignored by all the major companies, as if we aren't good enough for their attention (or to hand them our money!). Kinda makes me wanna hate the FRS since it's gonna get all the attention in the Scion family for sure

 

I know what you mean and I also feel your pain. Who would've ever thought that the Tc would come second at any point. I'm not saying it's first. But when it comes to scions I think the only ones without too much support right now are the Xd's and IQ's. That's like saying a company isn't interested in making parts for a civic because the S2000 is coming back. I'm just trying to be optimistic that once one is made and flies off the shelf, that the big companies will jump on the band wagon.

 

I'm at stock height and the left rear is at -.5 degrees and the right rear is at -1.5 degrees. Both values are within spec. The range is -1.9 to -.4. It seems like both are at each end of the spectrum, I cant even begin to imagine how off lowered cars are.

 

I thought u really wanted sportlines? not anymore?

here is my alignment on TRDs

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/sho...postcount=1321

 

Let me start off with.....I'm NOT car smart! LOL

But I have a 2007 scion tc(bought it Nov. 06...so I'm the only owner)

Summer 2009 lowered my car with S-techs (tires were 1 year old at this point). Same tires lasted me until 12/23/2010 & Bought 4 new tires. Same tires I had before. (94,000 total miles on car)8k later...have to buy 2 more tires for the rear(9/20/2011). Got front & rear camber kit & an alignment(2/2/2012. 2/22/2012 another new tire. (100,363 total miles on car)3/8/2012 another new tire. Noticed today that my rear passenger is pretty smooth! Rear driver is just getting there!

Soooooo Friday I have an appt for tires & another appt to get my car checked out! See what else it could be. But since I've had it for so long & its getting up in age. Don't know how much more I want to put into it. Thinking a new car sounds nice Hahaha

 

Well if your alignment is checking out okay then that would point to suspension. If your struts were blown, then your tires would be choppy (looks like a bunch of ramps from side view of side wall). What kind of tires are you buying and what speed rating? The factory tires were performance rated but were also a harder rubber. I had the S-techs on my 2009 tc and when I bought new tires noticed how much softer the ride got. I expected the opposite because I purchased H rated tires since I didn't have plans on going over 130 MPH or anywhere close to that. I didn't use any camber kits since it didn't look too bad to me. I never even got my car aligned after lowering it. I know you're over 100K but Hondas and Toyotas are made to last. I've owned multiple models of both makes and reached a minimum of 160K mile. My 4Runner died after 275K miles and my old '91 si hatch was still racing down the 1/4 mile past 229K miles when I sold it to a friend. Look at the load index and speed rating of the tires you purchased and compare them to factory specs. You can find the terms or definitions to them anywhere online. Just google it. Tire dealers will sell you what they have in stock that's why it always seems like you're getting a deal. Just go to Discount/America's Tires buy the Road Hazard Warranty and pretend someone vandalized your tires. All you'd have to pay for is new warranties and labor but the tires are free. You didn't hear that from me though. LOL

 

Hahahahaha I got all these tires at discount. They're Kumho Ecstatic Ast. Speed H. They aren't the best tires but I just use my car to commute....so rarely go over 75. I had these same tires on the same set up for over 30k before this issue. SOOOO idk! Hahaha! But I bought the warranty from discount & they only gave me a little discount because they said it was because I didn't have a camber kit. Which I didn't at that time. However I have it front & rear now with no improvement. Other than less money in my pocket! My front tires are new & don't need replaced. So think I'll try 2 new tires in the back. Thinking about trying out Yokohama yk580 maybe! At this point I don't even care about mismatch tires! LOL! Just want them to last more than 8k miles! But I'm going to have my shop totally check out my car on Friday! Hopefully they find something! It just seems like my back tires are like dragging along instead of rolling!

 

So it's only the rears that are wearing down? That's weird. I think you and I had the same tires. I did flip all 4 tires when I noticed excessive wear on the inner tread (but on or below the wear bar). I will admit that although I don't race at all anymore, I did do a lot of spirited driving and do a constant speed of about 80 MPH.

 

Yeah only the rears are wearing out & the rear pass. is the worst. But my tires wear so quick that they don't even want to rotate them. it's THAT bad! hahaha! by the time its time to rotate the wear has already got to the rears. i will just end up buying all 4 all the time if i rotate them! hahah! I am however glad to see i'm not the only one! SORRY! Now i'm kind of sad i lowered my car! HAHA!

 

Kailey, are you sure they are even doing an alignment on your car? My car is def lowered(on 18s, just barely tucking tread), I do not have a camber kit installed as the factory hardware adjusts fine(well the front has little wiggle room unless you get camber bolts, the rear can be adjusted a few degrees), my rear camber is at -1.5 driver side and -1.9 passenger if I recall, now have 6,000 miles on Continental ExtremeContact DWS without issues, also tell them you want the toe set even left to right, and set to 0(I think it's the rears that have a bit negative toe to be in spec, go with that). The warranty being limited I call BS, I don't have a camber kit installed at all, and the alignment is within specs, and still have full hazard warranty on it. If you can tell us your alignment specs that would help, or a picture of the screen or printout.

 

I know we've been talking about the 1st gen tc. But this thread is about the Tc2. So considering that what this thread is talking is the Tc2, there are no adjustments for rear camber on this car except for one person who went about designing and making his own.

 

Yeah...sure seems that way! But luckily i know they did because i watched them! Plus my best friends dad owns the shop. I've known them since i was 2! Otherwise i would be wondering! Also my car has 101k miles. I've been lowered probably over half of the time. It was a pain in the (you know what) to get aligned. SO i'll have them check it out again friday with new tires. I'll post the specs after that! I'm going to have them check out my struts & shocks to make sure that isnt an issue. however its wearing smooth and even! So i dont think it is. Visually it looks good! So that is what is crazy to me! But i'll make sure they triple check the toe. But it's got to be something deeper than that. Since it was just done early Feb this year! But who knows that! But my car was a peach for the first 90k miles! it's just been recently!

 

Yup...mine too! Here are my readings on TRD springs, TRD sway bars and TRD front tower brace.


A fix for this problem is posted here...
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=212975

 

Wife just picked up a brand new one today, and I'm already researching upgrades. As much as I'd love to throw some drop springs on, it looks like I'll be waiting until a remedy is available for the camber issue. Hope somebody can do something about this.