Hybrids
07-05-2010, 09:26 PM
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Hybrids
i caused quite a stir about hybrids on here. many seem to think that there is no potential in a hybrid. I feel a little differently about that. as in this CRZ. Yea, this car doesn't look cool at all...or does it??
for real tho. these cars are cool. I'd rock one.
for real tho. these cars are cool. I'd rock one.
07-06-2010, 01:59 AM
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Prius III IS dope, even stock it's a damn good car. and the body lines look nice all it really NEEDS are wheel(with proper fitment) and a nice drop. Me likey.
CRZ's are nice but eh....
CRZ's are nice but eh....
07-06-2010, 02:07 AM
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If you spend enough time and money putting a body kit on a weedwhacker it'll look good as long as it's "hella-flush" (god I hate that word).
If they offered those cars non hybrid they would be more popular because of maintenance costs and MSRP. Ever wonder how much pollutants are put into the air making a single battery cell system for one hybrid? Much more than the car can account for in it's life. If you want great gas mileage but expensive service when (not if) the battery fails, go for it.
I'm all about alternative and more efficient energy but hybrids were a demonstration 10 years ago and it should have stayed that way. I can go on and on but whats the point? I get over 25 mpg and have over 300 hp in my TC. Not too shabby IMO. BUT, to play devils advocate, to each his own and do what you love.
If they offered those cars non hybrid they would be more popular because of maintenance costs and MSRP. Ever wonder how much pollutants are put into the air making a single battery cell system for one hybrid? Much more than the car can account for in it's life. If you want great gas mileage but expensive service when (not if) the battery fails, go for it.
I'm all about alternative and more efficient energy but hybrids were a demonstration 10 years ago and it should have stayed that way. I can go on and on but whats the point? I get over 25 mpg and have over 300 hp in my TC. Not too shabby IMO. BUT, to play devils advocate, to each his own and do what you love.
07-06-2010, 01:58 PM
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and my wife went from getting gas every 3 days to every week and a half. and she can carry around more stuff and our daughter more comfortably. so if you're not a fan, don;t look in this thread. now where was that hybrid race car?
ah yes.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq-9rP9cf8k
ah yes.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq-9rP9cf8k
07-06-2010, 04:00 PM
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You were asking people's opinions about the looks of the car and I told you mine. Why should I not look at this thread? I didn't bash you or any hybrid drivers, I just stated the reason I personally don't own a hybrid.
Now where was that lawnmower racing video?
Ah yes.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akaanteVCs4
Now where was that lawnmower racing video?
Ah yes.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akaanteVCs4
07-06-2010, 07:18 PM
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I think you are referring to older battery tech and it's eco impact.
Hate the idea of them or not it's ridiculously easy to get 50+ mpg out of a prius ALL THE TIME.
And hey, THEY'RE NOT expensive. a Prius starts at 22,800 and maxes out at 33 with nav , upgraded stereo leather, hid's all the crap people want and pay for nowadays.
VERY WELL priced vehicle for what you get. and with the prius III it actually feels nice.
Hate the idea of them or not it's ridiculously easy to get 50+ mpg out of a prius ALL THE TIME.
And hey, THEY'RE NOT expensive. a Prius starts at 22,800 and maxes out at 33 with nav , upgraded stereo leather, hid's all the crap people want and pay for nowadays.
VERY WELL priced vehicle for what you get. and with the prius III it actually feels nice.
07-07-2010, 12:34 AM
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Don't get me wrong, it's a wonderful feat to wrap that into a package that people will actually pay for and will actually perform like a normal vehicle yet yield high MPG and great emissions, but I personally do not like the idea of Firefighters, Police, and Rescue teams having to be trained to handle a delicate situation like an automotive crash to save someones life, only to be complicated by the fact that there is so much more potential for accidental injury due to it's complex design of high power electricity. As I said before, I could go on but I won't unless you keep prodding me, SO "to play devils advocate, to each his own and do what you love." AGAIN.
To compare apples to apples, a Corolla starts at 15,450 as a base model and gets 35 mpg. I'm saving 7.5 grand and I get a car with 6 airbags and much lower maintenance costs. It also looks normal. I couldn't imagine paying 33,000 for a freakin' Prius. The Corolla XRS maxes out at 26,000. Still 7 grand less and all those fancy features like leather, touchscreen nav, woodgrain, sunroof, aero kit, etc etc. Take out some of the goofy stuff like floor mats and toyo-guard protection and 300 dollar window tint and you're about 1500 less!
I'm a simple guy as are most car buyers. The Prius is a niche car and it'll sell well to the people who want to be seen in them and that's fine, but my opinion stands at "does not like" until they produce over 300 whp and get 50+ MPG with a 10 year 100k warranty bumper to bumper and no co-pay!
To compare apples to apples, a Corolla starts at 15,450 as a base model and gets 35 mpg. I'm saving 7.5 grand and I get a car with 6 airbags and much lower maintenance costs. It also looks normal. I couldn't imagine paying 33,000 for a freakin' Prius. The Corolla XRS maxes out at 26,000. Still 7 grand less and all those fancy features like leather, touchscreen nav, woodgrain, sunroof, aero kit, etc etc. Take out some of the goofy stuff like floor mats and toyo-guard protection and 300 dollar window tint and you're about 1500 less!
I'm a simple guy as are most car buyers. The Prius is a niche car and it'll sell well to the people who want to be seen in them and that's fine, but my opinion stands at "does not like" until they produce over 300 whp and get 50+ MPG with a 10 year 100k warranty bumper to bumper and no co-pay!
07-07-2010, 12:47 PM
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Listen they look good stock and with the kits and wheels even better. They do look like crap on the inside though.The big thing is this modifying crap will not catch on for the young crowd in the states because its a hybrid!
07-07-2010, 03:30 PM
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my guess is near 50mpg. add in how often you'll buy gas in a Corolla or any car a bit cheaper. you'll make up the savings in the cost of the car buy paying for gas more often. we pay as much for the Prius as we did for the tC we had. and our Prius has the leather package. time for some interior pics
07-08-2010, 01:13 AM
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Look man, don't get me wrong, drive what you want to! BUT some of the points you bring up aren't as valid as you think. For example:
With record high gas prices due to the price of oil, I’m sure that most car owners out there have major concerns over their gas usage. Over the past 10 years, the cost of gasoline has grown 250%! This got me thinking, with the newer “gas friendly” hybrid cars/SUV’s out there now, do the premiums attached to their price tags justify to extra mileage that you get? I did a little digging around the various car manufacturer websites to see the pricing of hybrids vs their gasoline versions and whether or not the gas savings added up.
From my research, this is the information that I dug up. Below is a table comparing some popular hybrids with their gasoline counterparts. The table calculates how long it would take the gas savings of a hybrid to pay for the difference in purchase price from their gasoline sibling.
Some notes about the data:
Car Cost Difference City L/100km HW L /100km AVG L/100km L / year Gas $/yr yrs to payback
Civic LX $25,170 – 8.2 5.7 6.95 1390 $1,807 – Civic Hybrid $29,200 $4,030 4.7 4.3 4.5 900 $1,170 6.33
Corolla LE $24,665 – 7.4 5.6 6.5 1300 $1,690 – Prius $32,866 $8,201 4 4.2 4.1 820 $1,066 13.14
Ford Escape (fwd) $30,226 – 10.3 7.7 9 1800 $2,340 – Escape Hybrid $35,119 $4,893 5.7 6.7 6.2 1240 $1,612 6.72
Camry LE $30798 – 9.5 6.2 7.85 1570 2041 – Camry Hybrid $36191 $5,393 5.7 5.7 5.7 1140 1482 9.65
It seems that the best “value” out of the bunch is the Honda Civic Hybrid which would take over 6 years for the gas savings to make up for the difference in cost. Even though the Prius claims the best fuel mileage, it’s the worst value of the bunch. The Prius would take over 13 years to pay for it’s premium, that’s 13 years too long for me. With all the extra electronics involved with a Hybrid, it’s also bound to have extra maintenance costs also, which is not accounted for.
Out of the vehicles compared, the price premium attached to the hybrid vehicles are just too great to be considered a cost savings relative to purchasing their gasoline counterpart. In order for me to even consider a Hybrid, their prices would have to come down to the level of their gasoline competition.
With record high gas prices due to the price of oil, I’m sure that most car owners out there have major concerns over their gas usage. Over the past 10 years, the cost of gasoline has grown 250%! This got me thinking, with the newer “gas friendly” hybrid cars/SUV’s out there now, do the premiums attached to their price tags justify to extra mileage that you get? I did a little digging around the various car manufacturer websites to see the pricing of hybrids vs their gasoline versions and whether or not the gas savings added up.
From my research, this is the information that I dug up. Below is a table comparing some popular hybrids with their gasoline counterparts. The table calculates how long it would take the gas savings of a hybrid to pay for the difference in purchase price from their gasoline sibling.
Some notes about the data:
- The costs are the purchase price after taxes/levies/fees and with the ecoRebate applied if applicable.
- The comparison does not account for the extra maintenance cost (or depreciation) of the hybrids.
- Assumes the gasoline price of $1.30/L or around $4.91/gallon.
- The comparison is based on financial differences only and does not evaluate the “green” benefits.
Car Cost Difference City L/100km HW L /100km AVG L/100km L / year Gas $/yr yrs to payback
Civic LX $25,170 – 8.2 5.7 6.95 1390 $1,807 – Civic Hybrid $29,200 $4,030 4.7 4.3 4.5 900 $1,170 6.33
Corolla LE $24,665 – 7.4 5.6 6.5 1300 $1,690 – Prius $32,866 $8,201 4 4.2 4.1 820 $1,066 13.14
Ford Escape (fwd) $30,226 – 10.3 7.7 9 1800 $2,340 – Escape Hybrid $35,119 $4,893 5.7 6.7 6.2 1240 $1,612 6.72
Camry LE $30798 – 9.5 6.2 7.85 1570 2041 – Camry Hybrid $36191 $5,393 5.7 5.7 5.7 1140 1482 9.65
It seems that the best “value” out of the bunch is the Honda Civic Hybrid which would take over 6 years for the gas savings to make up for the difference in cost. Even though the Prius claims the best fuel mileage, it’s the worst value of the bunch. The Prius would take over 13 years to pay for it’s premium, that’s 13 years too long for me. With all the extra electronics involved with a Hybrid, it’s also bound to have extra maintenance costs also, which is not accounted for.
Out of the vehicles compared, the price premium attached to the hybrid vehicles are just too great to be considered a cost savings relative to purchasing their gasoline counterpart. In order for me to even consider a Hybrid, their prices would have to come down to the level of their gasoline competition.
07-08-2010, 01:34 AM
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I actually did a speech on the same
topic. Also from my understanding the civic still gets better overall gas mileage than the crz and the new insight.
And I'm referring to the regular civic not te hybrid.
topic. Also from my understanding the civic still gets better overall gas mileage than the crz and the new insight.
And I'm referring to the regular civic not te hybrid.
07-08-2010, 03:02 AM
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Look man, don't get me wrong, drive what you want to! BUT some of the points you bring up aren't as valid as you think. For example:
With record high gas prices due to the price of oil, I’m sure that most car owners out there have major concerns over their gas usage. Over the past 10 years, the cost of gasoline has grown 250%! This got me thinking, with the newer “gas friendly” hybrid cars/SUV’s out there now, do the premiums attached to their price tags justify to extra mileage that you get? I did a little digging around the various car manufacturer websites to see the pricing of hybrids vs their gasoline versions and whether or not the gas savings added up.
From my research, this is the information that I dug up. Below is a table comparing some popular hybrids with their gasoline counterparts. The table calculates how long it would take the gas savings of a hybrid to pay for the difference in purchase price from their gasoline sibling.
Some notes about the data:
Car Cost Difference City L/100km HW L /100km AVG L/100km L / year Gas $/yr yrs to payback
Civic LX $25,170 – 8.2 5.7 6.95 1390 $1,807 – Civic Hybrid $29,200 $4,030 4.7 4.3 4.5 900 $1,170 6.33
Corolla LE $24,665 – 7.4 5.6 6.5 1300 $1,690 – Prius $32,866 $8,201 4 4.2 4.1 820 $1,066 13.14
Ford Escape (fwd) $30,226 – 10.3 7.7 9 1800 $2,340 – Escape Hybrid $35,119 $4,893 5.7 6.7 6.2 1240 $1,612 6.72
Camry LE $30798 – 9.5 6.2 7.85 1570 2041 – Camry Hybrid $36191 $5,393 5.7 5.7 5.7 1140 1482 9.65
It seems that the best “value” out of the bunch is the Honda Civic Hybrid which would take over 6 years for the gas savings to make up for the difference in cost. Even though the Prius claims the best fuel mileage, it’s the worst value of the bunch. The Prius would take over 13 years to pay for it’s premium, that’s 13 years too long for me. With all the extra electronics involved with a Hybrid, it’s also bound to have extra maintenance costs also, which is not accounted for.
Out of the vehicles compared, the price premium attached to the hybrid vehicles are just too great to be considered a cost savings relative to purchasing their gasoline counterpart. In order for me to even consider a Hybrid, their prices would have to come down to the level of their gasoline competition.
With record high gas prices due to the price of oil, I’m sure that most car owners out there have major concerns over their gas usage. Over the past 10 years, the cost of gasoline has grown 250%! This got me thinking, with the newer “gas friendly” hybrid cars/SUV’s out there now, do the premiums attached to their price tags justify to extra mileage that you get? I did a little digging around the various car manufacturer websites to see the pricing of hybrids vs their gasoline versions and whether or not the gas savings added up.
From my research, this is the information that I dug up. Below is a table comparing some popular hybrids with their gasoline counterparts. The table calculates how long it would take the gas savings of a hybrid to pay for the difference in purchase price from their gasoline sibling.
Some notes about the data:
- The costs are the purchase price after taxes/levies/fees and with the ecoRebate applied if applicable.
- The comparison does not account for the extra maintenance cost (or depreciation) of the hybrids.
- Assumes the gasoline price of $1.30/L or around $4.91/gallon.
- The comparison is based on financial differences only and does not evaluate the “green” benefits.
Car Cost Difference City L/100km HW L /100km AVG L/100km L / year Gas $/yr yrs to payback
Civic LX $25,170 – 8.2 5.7 6.95 1390 $1,807 – Civic Hybrid $29,200 $4,030 4.7 4.3 4.5 900 $1,170 6.33
Corolla LE $24,665 – 7.4 5.6 6.5 1300 $1,690 – Prius $32,866 $8,201 4 4.2 4.1 820 $1,066 13.14
Ford Escape (fwd) $30,226 – 10.3 7.7 9 1800 $2,340 – Escape Hybrid $35,119 $4,893 5.7 6.7 6.2 1240 $1,612 6.72
Camry LE $30798 – 9.5 6.2 7.85 1570 2041 – Camry Hybrid $36191 $5,393 5.7 5.7 5.7 1140 1482 9.65
It seems that the best “value” out of the bunch is the Honda Civic Hybrid which would take over 6 years for the gas savings to make up for the difference in cost. Even though the Prius claims the best fuel mileage, it’s the worst value of the bunch. The Prius would take over 13 years to pay for it’s premium, that’s 13 years too long for me. With all the extra electronics involved with a Hybrid, it’s also bound to have extra maintenance costs also, which is not accounted for.
Out of the vehicles compared, the price premium attached to the hybrid vehicles are just too great to be considered a cost savings relative to purchasing their gasoline counterpart. In order for me to even consider a Hybrid, their prices would have to come down to the level of their gasoline competition.
if you;re going to quite thsi BS use a base model prius not a top of the line that extra 10 grand between entry level and top of the line is the difference......
07-08-2010, 03:03 AM
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or even the camry prices are straight lies!!!!
my mom has a camry le and it was 24900
a camry hybrid starts at 26xxx
way to choose numbers from a bs magazine/website or just make them up
my mom has a camry le and it was 24900
a camry hybrid starts at 26xxx
way to choose numbers from a bs magazine/website or just make them up
07-08-2010, 03:04 AM
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Incorrect.
BUT the Civic hybrid DOES get better mileage than the Insight.
07-08-2010, 03:07 AM
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07-08-2010, 05:43 AM
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Those numbers could have come from another country where prices are higher, a corolla LE definitely does not cost $25k
I did do research on the topic for a class about a year or so ago. I wish I had all the info I found but basically in order to start actually saving money by buying a prius vs a corolla you would have to own the car for several years before you start to save anything.
The only car that really saved a person money was a base prius vs base camry and it was only about an $80 savings...I don't remember the exact number but it was in that ball park.
Either way I think buying a brand new car $25k+ car in order to "save money" is a stupid idea in the first place.
I did do research on the topic for a class about a year or so ago. I wish I had all the info I found but basically in order to start actually saving money by buying a prius vs a corolla you would have to own the car for several years before you start to save anything.
The only car that really saved a person money was a base prius vs base camry and it was only about an $80 savings...I don't remember the exact number but it was in that ball park.
Either way I think buying a brand new car $25k+ car in order to "save money" is a stupid idea in the first place.