Toyota's at it agin Updated
 

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http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/01/b...gines-worldwi/

Not sure what this has to do with tCs...

Haha, nice. Guess this happens to any compnay that becomes #1 for any amount of time.

yeah, i'm pretty blown by this news too.

my brother said it sounds like toyota just grew too fast, and nobody incharged wanted to be "that guy" who says "wow, i love stock options just as much as the next guy, but i think we have a problem here!"

I wonder if they mean engines seizing randomly, not stalling. A stalled motor is just missing one part of the combustion cycle whether it be fuel, spark, compression etc but a seized engine.... yikes! Sounds like an oiling issue. Well, TC motors are stout and they've proved it over the years time and time again.

So toyota can't make engines with more than 4 cylinders, what else is new.

Considering they don't exactly mention which motors specifically (as far as I saw) it could be affecting certain 4 cylinder engines as well.

Wish the article had more info :confused:

x2 :biggrin:

At least it doesn't affect the 2nd gen GS. I might be looking to pick one up soon.

None of the vehicles affected are being sold at dealers from what I read in the paper. The media hypes things up a lot too. Additionally, with my previous Ford's, the TSB's that should have been recalls never made it that far and you had to pay to get that stuff done. For example, my F-150 had a seatbelt recepticle malfunction but it was only a TSB, not a recall. But when the media hyped about my cruise control box (never had an issue) catching on fire, all of a sudden it was a recall!

Point being, props to Toyota for recalling when they should and taking full responsibility beforehand despite the gas pedal issue being BS. We all know how to stop a car if it's at full throttle. C/D tested it in an article against a 550 hp mustang and it stopped just fine... I like my Toyota and crap like this won't stop me from buying them.

^x2 Toyota isnt going anywhere anytime soon lol.

We do, most people don't.

Yes because illegals get licenses, and women cant drive, plus an anteater could get a driver license with how easy the tests are.

Click This is why people shouldn't drive automatics.

That guy is a moron. He's explaining issues of driver fault.

Here's my BIGGEST issue with people and cars...

For most people, their car is their second biggest investment made in their lifetime second to their house. They will spend months looking for the right house and know what type of water heater, how new the AC and roof are, where the circuit breaker is etc etc etc BUT those same people will spend anywhere from 25-60k on a car and never crack open an owners manual. Even worse, they don't know their face from a dipstick. Learning the very basics of automobile operation and safety would likely prevent 50 percent of accidents (I use that term loosely).

My mother taught me how to change oil and drive a stick.... reason being? She was a single mom and second to our house, the one and only family car needed to be reliable and it was important that she know about it in case of mechanical failure or accident avoidance.

Silly little ideas like this will save lives but people put safety in the hands of the automaker, not the driver... big problem!

He may be a moron but that is the most plausible explanation for Toyota's problems(especially considering the demographic). Has there been a case where the gas pedal was proven to be at fault?

I stopped watching that video after he started talking about driving with 2 feet...how the ____ hard is it to lift your foot of the gas and put it on the brake pedal? It scares me to think people drive like this (whether it is auto or stick).

just like the faulty gas pedals i'm sure this is another poor excuse of american craftsmanship part causing the problem (valve springs)

^^ I'll give that a X3....

Although they have improved their inline 4's over many years... it's a pretty straight forward design. You'd almost have to go out of your way to F them up. But with that said... even a company like Toyota that has built their reputation on building good reliable cars.... all it takes is to allow something sub-standard into the mix and then all bets are off. I had a 3.4L V6 in my 4x4 Tacoma that I put tons of trouble free miles on before I got into owning Scions.

There never was any problems with any Toyota gas pedals. HOWEVER, because of the freakin' media and the naive public that surrounds us, Toyota took it upon themselves to catch up with the times of electronic throttle basics. There was nothing "wrong" with their current ideals but the average stupid American driver doesn't know how to... well drive.

Toyota was basically forced to change their electronic functions of their gas pedals to be like Nissan. In the Nissan, the ECU will stop adding fuel if the brake is applied beyond a certain point while the accelerator is being pushed. Toyota did not have this feature built in. I'm guessing this is because they "assumed" drivers would know how to operate the pedals!

That being said, the Camry V6 stops just 29 feet further when the gas pedal is held at WOT while braking. This is just 149 feet stopping distance from 60 mph. There are many vehicles (SUV's) that don't stop that short when braking properly!

America, don't be idiots and learn to drive already!

Thumbs up for that statement!

I had a 2000 Dodge durango and it would randomly accelerate

^ That truck was indeed plagued with multiple ECU issues but still had a throttle cable. My dad had one and it was terrible.

I've had the floor-mat issue with my old 96 Ranger back in the day but it wasn't something that couldn't be fixed by putting the clutch in. I had only been driving for a few months and I figured that one out! The people having issues had been driving longer than I've been alive!

Unfortunately most of these errors are from somewhat niave or plain out STUPID people. it's sad in a lot of ways. It sucks that SUCH a reputable company like TOYOTA is getting the shaft on this.

haha i love the floor mat thing thats the best thing ive ever heard still laugh about it when i get in my car

As dumb as the floormat issue is a lot of people pile on all weather mats on top of carpet mats and on certain vehicles a pushed forward mat can def get a pedal stuck, more likely than not it will actually prevent you from going full throttle before it could get caught with the pedal under the mat.

^ Depends on the interior. I had a vinyl floor in my ranger with Weather Guard mats and they would slip forward from time to time and when it did, the gas pedal would get stuck under it. To me, it was no big deal. I just put the clutch in and pulled the mat back. Took 2 secs. Other cars, it's likely it could be installation error.

ok people whatever...first of all my car has the brake over ride so it can act like a toyota.... secondly I have driven a car that suddenly accelerated my feet were off the pedals..car had no floor mats and was not driver error (took them out because they were rare OG equipment 35th anniversary mats.....this was a Thunderbird SC which later on a had a recall for it...
also I owned an Audi 5000S and never had a problem

Throttle cables CAN indeed get stuck at WOT or any position for that matter. HOWEVER it still doesn't stop you from smashing the gas pedal once to break it free or just shifting to neutral or turning the car off (very easy in a T-Bird).

It's not driver error EVERY time a car accelerates beyond what the driver was expecting BUT it is driver error when not handled properly. L2D!