Continuation of discussion about President Bush.
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Originally Posted by matt_a
We could go back & forth about this stuff for weeks. I started this thread to address the statement about President Bush being responsible for loss of life. The context in which that statment was made really has me wondering exactly what he meant by it. I'd like to try and stay on topic.
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Originally Posted by matt_a
We could go back & forth about this stuff for weeks. I started this thread to address the statement about President Bush being responsible for loss of life. The context in which that statment was made really has me wondering exactly what he meant by it. I'd like to try and stay on topic.
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Originally Posted by Scott17
That's exactly what my post was about. You sit back and whine about what has happened but what would YOU do better for the future and how would you do it? If YOU were elected today to get the nation on the right track what would you do smart guy?And keep in mind you would be under the same constraints as Bush is. If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.
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Originally Posted by pdrizzle
Originally Posted by matt_a
We could go back & forth about this stuff for weeks. I started this thread to address the statement about President Bush being responsible for loss of life. The context in which that statment was made really has me wondering exactly what he meant by it. I'd like to try and stay on topic.
Besides, how many wars have we the people been allowed to vote on? Were you called when Clinton deployed troops?
You really think that people that will stand in line all day with the fear of being killed by some cowardly homicide bomber to vote for a new leader didn't want to be liberated???? People yearn to be free.
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Instead of complaining for a lame duck (if you guys even know what that means), you should be campaigning to prevent the same mistakes from occuring.
By working instead of complaining like female dogs, you can insure that we have GOOD candidates to choose from, instead of anybody anywhere close to the stupidity of Kerry or Bush.
There is absolutely nothing you can do about the current situation, except work to fix it for next time. You can't impeach him, simply because he has done a bad job. You can't kill him, since it's nearly impossible, even if you tried. Hello? What are you going to do? Give him manic depression? I don't think so. Actions speak louder than words, and if you're going to use words, you have to have a goal (if you want to be productive).
By working instead of complaining like female dogs, you can insure that we have GOOD candidates to choose from, instead of anybody anywhere close to the stupidity of Kerry or Bush.
There is absolutely nothing you can do about the current situation, except work to fix it for next time. You can't impeach him, simply because he has done a bad job. You can't kill him, since it's nearly impossible, even if you tried. Hello? What are you going to do? Give him manic depression? I don't think so. Actions speak louder than words, and if you're going to use words, you have to have a goal (if you want to be productive).
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Originally Posted by oldmanatee
This might get good....
1) The Kyoto Treaty is only good for punishing us.. We have cut back the amount of BS greenhose gasses while the third world countries do nothing but demand that we do more while they do less. What can be proven that we have caused? Global warming is just a scare tactic theory.
2)Have you ever thought that we as a nation might need to support some nations that can help us? Support does not mean that we condone their actions.
3) My faveorite....What kind of war strategy do you prefer? You want to save travel expenses and fight wars here at home? Anyone that cares for this country had rather fight on foreign soil. Break someone elses stuff.
4)The global community is a part in this war. The charges of torture and detaining prisoners has not been proven. How do you know who is the enemy when the enemy is to cowardly to put on a uniform? Even if there has been torture, how many planes have chashed into buildings full of innocent people? If we are torturing the enemy, I say, do it some more! I want the world to know that this great country will kick your @ss if you dare us.
5) This is not the first administration to face these problems. It is, however, the first to face so many blatently false accusations... You do know that the charges against Delay are that he did what the law allowed in respect to campaign finances?
Lying under oath and witness intimadation are not.. BTW, Clinton did those things.
6)Do you think Bush is sitting in Washington saying to hold up on aid to your area? How fast would be fast enuff for you?
7)No bid contracts have been the law way before Bush was elected. Do your research, please. Bush has no interests in any energy companies. If he does, they are in blind trusts. Something some of your Dems don't play by those rules.
In fact, it has been proven that in emergency situations, 'No Bid' is the most effective way to do things. You think repair to your area are slow now, you can bet less than half of what is done if bids had be let. There is usually a 30 day bid "season", then the bids have to be approved, then the winning company has to get things lined up to start the job....I hope you see where this is headed...
That is rediculous!!! You think you deserve as many vacations as the leader of the free world???? If you do, then run for the job. I seriously doubt that your job is as stressful.
9) It is proven time and again that tax cuts stimulate the economy. The rich deserve bigger tax cuts, they pay more in taxes. (They get more vacations than you, as well).If the "less fortunate" don't like their programs cut, they need to get jobs to become some of the 'fortunate'. How long do you think welfare should last? How much do you think the payoff should be?
10) Where do you get that he has used religion to further his agenda???? Are you still free to worship as you choose or choose not to? If someone is sitting outside your door taking you to church every Sunday, blink your eyes in Morse code so we can get you help. As for the military use, I am proud that his agenda is democracy.
1) The Kyoto Treaty is only good for punishing us.. We have cut back the amount of BS greenhose gasses while the third world countries do nothing but demand that we do more while they do less. What can be proven that we have caused? Global warming is just a scare tactic theory.
2)Have you ever thought that we as a nation might need to support some nations that can help us? Support does not mean that we condone their actions.
3) My faveorite....What kind of war strategy do you prefer? You want to save travel expenses and fight wars here at home? Anyone that cares for this country had rather fight on foreign soil. Break someone elses stuff.
4)The global community is a part in this war. The charges of torture and detaining prisoners has not been proven. How do you know who is the enemy when the enemy is to cowardly to put on a uniform? Even if there has been torture, how many planes have chashed into buildings full of innocent people? If we are torturing the enemy, I say, do it some more! I want the world to know that this great country will kick your @ss if you dare us.
5) This is not the first administration to face these problems. It is, however, the first to face so many blatently false accusations... You do know that the charges against Delay are that he did what the law allowed in respect to campaign finances?
Lying under oath and witness intimadation are not.. BTW, Clinton did those things.
6)Do you think Bush is sitting in Washington saying to hold up on aid to your area? How fast would be fast enuff for you?
7)No bid contracts have been the law way before Bush was elected. Do your research, please. Bush has no interests in any energy companies. If he does, they are in blind trusts. Something some of your Dems don't play by those rules.
In fact, it has been proven that in emergency situations, 'No Bid' is the most effective way to do things. You think repair to your area are slow now, you can bet less than half of what is done if bids had be let. There is usually a 30 day bid "season", then the bids have to be approved, then the winning company has to get things lined up to start the job....I hope you see where this is headed...
That is rediculous!!! You think you deserve as many vacations as the leader of the free world???? If you do, then run for the job. I seriously doubt that your job is as stressful.9) It is proven time and again that tax cuts stimulate the economy. The rich deserve bigger tax cuts, they pay more in taxes. (They get more vacations than you, as well).If the "less fortunate" don't like their programs cut, they need to get jobs to become some of the 'fortunate'. How long do you think welfare should last? How much do you think the payoff should be?
10) Where do you get that he has used religion to further his agenda???? Are you still free to worship as you choose or choose not to? If someone is sitting outside your door taking you to church every Sunday, blink your eyes in Morse code so we can get you help. As for the military use, I am proud that his agenda is democracy.
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Originally Posted by djct_watt
Instead of complaining for a lame duck (if you guys even know what that means), you should be campaigning to prevent the same mistakes from occuring.
By working instead of complaining like female dogs, you can insure that we have GOOD candidates to choose from, instead of anybody anywhere close to the stupidity of Kerry or Bush.
There is absolutely nothing you can do about the current situation, except work to fix it for next time. You can't impeach him, simply because he has done a bad job. You can't kill him, since it's nearly impossible, even if you tried. Hello? What are you going to do? Give him manic depression? I don't think so. Actions speak louder than words, and if you're going to use words, you have to have a goal (if you want to be productive).
By working instead of complaining like female dogs, you can insure that we have GOOD candidates to choose from, instead of anybody anywhere close to the stupidity of Kerry or Bush.
There is absolutely nothing you can do about the current situation, except work to fix it for next time. You can't impeach him, simply because he has done a bad job. You can't kill him, since it's nearly impossible, even if you tried. Hello? What are you going to do? Give him manic depression? I don't think so. Actions speak louder than words, and if you're going to use words, you have to have a goal (if you want to be productive).
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Originally Posted by pdrizzle
Originally Posted by oldmanatee
This might get good....
1) The Kyoto Treaty is only good for punishing us.. We have cut back the amount of BS greenhose gasses while the third world countries do nothing but demand that we do more while they do less. What can be proven that we have caused? Global warming is just a scare tactic theory.
2)Have you ever thought that we as a nation might need to support some nations that can help us? Support does not mean that we condone their actions.
3) My faveorite....What kind of war strategy do you prefer? You want to save travel expenses and fight wars here at home? Anyone that cares for this country had rather fight on foreign soil. Break someone elses stuff.
4)The global community is a part in this war. The charges of torture and detaining prisoners has not been proven. How do you know who is the enemy when the enemy is to cowardly to put on a uniform? Even if there has been torture, how many planes have chashed into buildings full of innocent people? If we are torturing the enemy, I say, do it some more! I want the world to know that this great country will kick your @ss if you dare us.
5) This is not the first administration to face these problems. It is, however, the first to face so many blatently false accusations... You do know that the charges against Delay are that he did what the law allowed in respect to campaign finances?
Lying under oath and witness intimadation are not.. BTW, Clinton did those things.
6)Do you think Bush is sitting in Washington saying to hold up on aid to your area? How fast would be fast enuff for you?
7)No bid contracts have been the law way before Bush was elected. Do your research, please. Bush has no interests in any energy companies. If he does, they are in blind trusts. Something some of your Dems don't play by those rules.
In fact, it has been proven that in emergency situations, 'No Bid' is the most effective way to do things. You think repair to your area are slow now, you can bet less than half of what is done if bids had be let. There is usually a 30 day bid "season", then the bids have to be approved, then the winning company has to get things lined up to start the job....I hope you see where this is headed...
That is rediculous!!! You think you deserve as many vacations as the leader of the free world???? If you do, then run for the job. I seriously doubt that your job is as stressful.
9) It is proven time and again that tax cuts stimulate the economy. The rich deserve bigger tax cuts, they pay more in taxes. (They get more vacations than you, as well).If the "less fortunate" don't like their programs cut, they need to get jobs to become some of the 'fortunate'. How long do you think welfare should last? How much do you think the payoff should be?
10) Where do you get that he has used religion to further his agenda???? Are you still free to worship as you choose or choose not to? If someone is sitting outside your door taking you to church every Sunday, blink your eyes in Morse code so we can get you help. As for the military use, I am proud that his agenda is democracy.
1) The Kyoto Treaty is only good for punishing us.. We have cut back the amount of BS greenhose gasses while the third world countries do nothing but demand that we do more while they do less. What can be proven that we have caused? Global warming is just a scare tactic theory.
2)Have you ever thought that we as a nation might need to support some nations that can help us? Support does not mean that we condone their actions.
3) My faveorite....What kind of war strategy do you prefer? You want to save travel expenses and fight wars here at home? Anyone that cares for this country had rather fight on foreign soil. Break someone elses stuff.
4)The global community is a part in this war. The charges of torture and detaining prisoners has not been proven. How do you know who is the enemy when the enemy is to cowardly to put on a uniform? Even if there has been torture, how many planes have chashed into buildings full of innocent people? If we are torturing the enemy, I say, do it some more! I want the world to know that this great country will kick your @ss if you dare us.
5) This is not the first administration to face these problems. It is, however, the first to face so many blatently false accusations... You do know that the charges against Delay are that he did what the law allowed in respect to campaign finances?
Lying under oath and witness intimadation are not.. BTW, Clinton did those things.
6)Do you think Bush is sitting in Washington saying to hold up on aid to your area? How fast would be fast enuff for you?
7)No bid contracts have been the law way before Bush was elected. Do your research, please. Bush has no interests in any energy companies. If he does, they are in blind trusts. Something some of your Dems don't play by those rules.
In fact, it has been proven that in emergency situations, 'No Bid' is the most effective way to do things. You think repair to your area are slow now, you can bet less than half of what is done if bids had be let. There is usually a 30 day bid "season", then the bids have to be approved, then the winning company has to get things lined up to start the job....I hope you see where this is headed...
That is rediculous!!! You think you deserve as many vacations as the leader of the free world???? If you do, then run for the job. I seriously doubt that your job is as stressful.9) It is proven time and again that tax cuts stimulate the economy. The rich deserve bigger tax cuts, they pay more in taxes. (They get more vacations than you, as well).If the "less fortunate" don't like their programs cut, they need to get jobs to become some of the 'fortunate'. How long do you think welfare should last? How much do you think the payoff should be?
10) Where do you get that he has used religion to further his agenda???? Are you still free to worship as you choose or choose not to? If someone is sitting outside your door taking you to church every Sunday, blink your eyes in Morse code so we can get you help. As for the military use, I am proud that his agenda is democracy.
At least you didn't say "So's your mother...."
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Originally Posted by oldmanatee
At least you didn't say "So's your mother...."
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to insinuate that your opinion doesn't matter. I guess I expected a reply with refutes based more on hard evidence. Some of what I said was based on my opinion, but most of it is based on news stories, which is based on investigations and documented evidence. Not to say that you should believe everything you read/hear, but sometimes I think the news is more truthful than the government, but I know that no one is right every time.
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Originally Posted by oldmanatee
That is rediculous!!! You think you deserve as many vacations as the leader of the free world???? If you do, then run for the job. I seriously doubt that your job is as stressful.
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1 ) kyoto - dumb idea
2 ) you named 5 countries we should nuke
3 ) loved it - should do more of it
4 ) who cares ? - we are the only SUPERPOWER
5 ) like its was different under the Dems
6 ) if you live long enough by the water , at sometime you will live in the water
7 ) few can do the job
8 ) his job is much harder ( and the President knows about the aliens )
9 ) your income , probably makes you listed as rich
10 ) Gee...hasn't every power since day one
11 ) i agree , " off with the top of your head "
....what are you ; French or something ?
2 ) you named 5 countries we should nuke
3 ) loved it - should do more of it
4 ) who cares ? - we are the only SUPERPOWER
5 ) like its was different under the Dems
6 ) if you live long enough by the water , at sometime you will live in the water
7 ) few can do the job
8 ) his job is much harder ( and the President knows about the aliens )
9 ) your income , probably makes you listed as rich
10 ) Gee...hasn't every power since day one
11 ) i agree , " off with the top of your head "
....what are you ; French or something ?
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Originally Posted by zinczipper
1 ) kyoto - dumb idea
2 ) you named 5 countries we should nuke
3 ) loved it - should do more of it
4 ) who cares ? - we are the only SUPERPOWER
5 ) like its was different under the Dems
6 ) if you live long enough by the water , at sometime you will live in the water
7 ) few can do the job
8 ) his job is much harder ( and the President knows about the aliens )
9 ) your income , probably makes you listed as rich
10 ) Gee...hasn't every power since day one
11 ) i agree , " off with the top of your head "
....what are you ; French or something ?
2 ) you named 5 countries we should nuke
3 ) loved it - should do more of it
4 ) who cares ? - we are the only SUPERPOWER
5 ) like its was different under the Dems
6 ) if you live long enough by the water , at sometime you will live in the water
7 ) few can do the job
8 ) his job is much harder ( and the President knows about the aliens )
9 ) your income , probably makes you listed as rich
10 ) Gee...hasn't every power since day one
11 ) i agree , " off with the top of your head "
....what are you ; French or something ?
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Originally Posted by pdrizzle
Originally Posted by oldmanatee
At least you didn't say "So's your mother...."
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to insinuate that your opinion doesn't matter. I guess I expected a reply with refutes based more on hard evidence. Some of what I said was based on my opinion, but most of it is based on news stories, which is based on investigations and documented evidence. Not to say that you should believe everything you read/hear, but sometimes I think the news is more truthful than the government, but I know that no one is right every time.
I never trust any story that has the phrase "unnamed source". I hope you don't either....
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In terms of the President, I think everything has already been said on the major media streams. I really doubt anybody is really going to change their mind, especially on an internet forum. . . on SCIONLIFE.
This topic just begs for name calling and bad emotions, since everyone wants to defend their positions, without ever really being open minded. And even if you wanted to be open minded, there are hardly ever any facts listed, with verifiable sources. IMO, this is a bad place for information. . . not always a bad source, but when it comes to big opinionated issues like THE PRESIDENT, it's hard to accomplish anything.
This topic just begs for name calling and bad emotions, since everyone wants to defend their positions, without ever really being open minded. And even if you wanted to be open minded, there are hardly ever any facts listed, with verifiable sources. IMO, this is a bad place for information. . . not always a bad source, but when it comes to big opinionated issues like THE PRESIDENT, it's hard to accomplish anything.
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It seems like some people hold the President to a higher standard than they would hold themselves. He's damn sure not perfect or even great in my opinion, but i'm curious as to who would be your IDEAL President if you got to appoint one and why?
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