lucky

"i'm leaning more to the fact that the tC's body integrity got the worst possibly rating according to consumer report. "

I've never seen this rating in Consumer Reports, but if, IF, this was true (what is your source?) then it must not have really mattered in the big picture, because they gave it a "very good" score and a "recommended" in a recent import comparison.

TongMan

i thought that the sunroof windows were tinted so they wouldn't break like that. If they do break, it would be more like the windshield and not shatter everywhere...

Papispico

The Manager (Morris) doesn't play that kinda ____ @ smith town... he's a stand up guy.

J_Bomb

It is true. Ive seen it too. It was the lowest rating that the tC had. Im not suprised with all of the rattles and such. I saw it in the CR magazine that has all the ratings for all the cars in it.

Papispico

got a link to that report?

NickRS2tC

Are you like this in all aspects of your life?

Talk about making a HUGE deal out of something so minor. Your sunroof broke, they're fixing it, and no one is hurt.. where's the problem?

buster71

Pray tell, Nick, when did I make a "HUGE" deal out of this. If posting on an Internet site is a "HUGE" deal to you, Nick, then maybe you should look at your own life! I easily could have:

1) Reported to the NHTSA. I didn't even go that far.
2) Launched a lawsuit. Many people suggested this to me. My response, "WHy the hell would I do that? I didn't even get hurt.
3) Pasted all over the 'Net the Scion is a crap company and Toyota is out to kill people. Did I? NO. I even said Scion is doing a good job taking care of the problem.

Don't talk about me if you don't know me, Nick. And you don't know me, Nick. Stick to talking about the cars, Nick.

2fast4you

You have to have a subscription to read the report (I had a friend print the report for me before i bought my tC), and I believe it had a black half dot in the body integrity category. It didn't make a difference to me seeing as the tC is on CR and Intellichoice "recommended" lists.

Furious

I remember reading several reports on the tC before I got mine...and I don't remember seeing any with a "worst possible" rating on the body integrity. I do recall it being lower than the ratings on the other aspects of the vehicle...but if hypothetically you rate 10 aspects of a car...and 9 get 5 star ratings...but that one gets a 3 or 4...does it make it the "worst possible" rating? I don't think so personally.
Just wondering...

Anyway, I haven't "studied" my wind deflector or anything, but if I remember right there are two rails that are on springs that raise and lower the deflector as the sunroof passes over them. If the sunroof moves out of the way, the two rails allow the deflector to move upward...and if the sunroof moves back foreward they pass over the rails and force the wind deflector downward. If I'm wrong, someone please correct this...but if they work in that manner and the sunroof was closed when this happened, I don't believe a faulty part on the wind deflector could have caused this to happen.

I can't say what did...but I don't think it was that... And it definately wasn't the "extreme" difference in the temp of the cabin and sunroof. As stated by someone else previously something like that could have only occurred if you dumped freezing cold water on a super hot sunroof...or vice versa. And it would have had to be pretty cold or hot to make glass that hot break.

As for the "tint should have held the glass together"...the glass is designed to shatter into hundreds/thousands of little pieces in the event it breaks so that it basically rains little pieces of glass that isn't sharp enough to damage anything... If the sunroof was designed to maintain it's integrity after breaking...it would be a 50lb rock falling on your head...and I would imagine that could hurt...

buster71

Since I may be getting a new car, I was thumbing through the Consumer Reports and Consumer Guide New car reports and ratings. Consumer Reports did indeed give the worst possibole rating (Solid black circle) to the tC's body integrity. Not that I believe 90% of the stuff in Consumer Reports, though.

brisci

The wind deflector is held down by the sunroof's edges. The sunroof shattered (edges and center), windeflector popped open. Not the best design, I imagine the wind deflector puts constant pressure on the sunroof, making its breakage all the more easy.

Tomas

Link to Consumer Reports Rating on the tC's Body Integrity:

http://tijil.org/CR_compare_scion.gif

20tCDude05

SWEET...

BSP_5c10n

I'm pretty sure the tC got the poor body integrity rating due to the all glass roof. It IS glass and of course would not hold up as well as a metal roof. If the body integrity as a whole were an issue, I'm pretty sure the crash test ratings wouldn't be as good as they are.

Tomas

The tC got it's poor body integrity rating for reasons OTHER than the roof was made of glass. Here are the criteria used:



If you want to read the description of ALL the ratings, and the number of problems for a vehicle to rate "average", click this:

http://tijil.org/cr_ratings_key.gif

You'll note that to rate "average" a car has to have no more than three of those body intgegrity problems listed above. The tC rated two steps down from "average."

"Body integrity" is not "crash safety."

Tom

GetCaughtDead

have you ever tried to push down your wind deflector by hand? it's not *that* hard. the springs aren't stiff enough to put excessive strain on the glass.

LiquidFX

i wouldnt get rid of it just for that, just a freak accident

BSP_5c10n

Based on their criteria I'll give them wind noise and rattles and squeaks but I don't think that merits their lowest rating. But hey I'm no "Consumer Reports Expert". Either that or they were given a _____ test vehicle.

GetCaughtDead

I can vouch for the loose interior trims too. especially the trim on the inside door handles (the piece with the chrome circle) which pop off quite easily. I must admit, however, they make excellent "stash spots" for anything you might not want someone to find! :wink wink:

BSP_5c10n

Alright...

Now all we need is bad seals, weather stripping, and air and water leaks and we'll officialy have dirt poor body integrity. By consumer report's standards anyway...