Now as a tC owner if it came out looking like this then I would be up for one....definetly a far more functional interior, and have the availability to mondo mods....it is going to be a hard sell the way it sits now...

 

Tomas, I know what you are talking about. You and I discussed this on the phone when I called you about those ScionLife stickers many moons ago (thanks again btw).

Toyota doesn't have the perfect replacement car for you ATM, but honestly are you looking for a new car yet? Your box should last you for quite awhile, and when the time is right for a new car look to Toyota to see that their offerings are at the time. You might be surprised! Besides, you weren't the target demographic, no offense. It happened that the gen 1 xB was perfect for you, but that wasn't it's intention.

I asked the Scion reps from CA over dinner shortly after the new xB came out why they were getting away from what made Scion SCION. His response, and I'll keep his name out of it, was that Scion never promised a good city car with excellent MPG and all that. The xB happened to be that, but it's purpose was to attract a young market that would be new to Toyota. The gen 1 xB was a very good car, especially for the price, and many people out of the target demographic bought them. They bought them because they were an awesome value and that's what sold the car. The rest of the Scion models are the same, high value and great build quality. Who could say no right? So you are right, Scion (Toyota rather) should be looking at a small city vehicle that gets good MPG for a low cost to replace what we had with the xB gen 1. But they do have comparable vehicles. The Yaris/Corolla/Matrix are all competent vehicles that I could see xB gen 1 owners going into. The Scion enthusiast is a whole different story, lol.

And to whoever said that Scion owners would be upside down if they wanted to trade because they were financing people with bad credit?!! huh?! Scion has pretty much the same qualifications that Toyota and Lexus does. Plus Scions are typically among the highest resale values in the industry . . . not getting where you were going with that.

Tomas, it's not that Scion isn't listening to you. It's that there aren't as many of you as there are people that they are targeting who want something different than you. Like I said, it's not that we don't want to sell you a car, it's that Toyota intends to sell you a Yaris. Whether or not you would consider it is up to you, and like I said no offense meant but I think that's really what is happening here.

(prepared for lashing!!)

and by the way, in my 6 years here at Reliable I have met people that I just didn't have a suitable car for, but it's very few and far in between. It's not that Toyota doesn't intend to have a car for everyone, it's that sometimes it's impossible!

Yesterday I had a guy call in that is trading his wrecked Yaris in because the seats are too comfortable and he wrecked it falling asleep . . . come on! lol

 

I think there is a valid point here-- And I think everyone has to keep in mind that scionlife does not account for every person in the target demographic for Scion.

With that in mind, its not that Scion is not listening to you all. Just remember that scionlife users are a % of that demographic. Its not realistic to make a car that only a small % will buy- and again, there comes into play the cost factor and price ranges bumping it out of the Scion brand. Scion seeks to attract new young buyers to Toyota. The Scion brand was created to suit the demands of an emerging culture of new car buyers.

 

Damn, I think this will save scion, if ur one who thinks they need saving, this is what they needed another head turner, people are going to be looking mezmorized, just like the xb1, you either hated or luved it, this car is the next icon for scion!!! I want one badly, no other automaker has something like this, its incredibaly unique, so unique it disgust me, lolI can just imagine driving down the road wit it, i just wonder if they put it to production, wut wud the interior Reallu look like, hopefully not the xb or xa interior, im not a fan.

They shud make an exhaust that sounds futuristic and robotic, like the g35 and z, they have tat robotic sound to them, but im sure scion cud make a more futuristic sound!!!!

Damn, I hope they put it to production Im in love

 

I 100% agree with you I was paying about 3k a year for insurance on my 01 Honda accord back in 2001. Sucked and I had a clean record no accidents or tickets but I was 21 and decided I wanted a new car that was reliable. So that was the price I had to pay. It didn’t matter what I wanted if it was new insurance was expensive.

When I was 25 I got quotes for a bunch of cars and all are low around 400-450 for six months. So the higher insurance argument does not work for me.

 

There are a few problems with the design-give me a minute....

 

Personally, I think Scion accomplished what is set out to do. They created something different that made people think, “Can I see myself in that?” “Would I like that?” “How do I feel about it?” Most car choices we have are not as personal as Scion. Scion has really made the brand an extension of the owner. I saw the Hako and was disappointed at first then it grew on me, and now I want to own one.

The first time my wife saw an xB she said HELL NO. She wouldn’t even sit in it and now she owns one. It could be that I’m just that good at sales but I think it’s because of the appeal of the first gen xB.

I like the “Rat Ride” look and there is no one that is doing this kind of look.

Scion wins with me again.

 

I could just picture the rock chips on the windshield already..!!!!
LOL

 

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha isn't that xute you though i was referring to the tC as a monster. bwahahahahaha . NO WAY IN HELL .


and you do know that the lighter you make a car the more tinny and more rattles you will get.


if there isn't a single scion/toyota/lexus that you'd rock , keep your tc.



you wouldn't rock an is-f?

 

Pontiac insists its sport truck is a whole new category of car, although owners of old El Caminos and Rancheros would hold a different opinion. Pontiac is letting consumers pick the name for this G8 platform truck at its www.pontiac.com/namethiscar Web site. May we suggest El Ponterero?

OMG Pontiac is putting out a mini truck looking thing

maybe all the other car companies were reading SL rather then Scion itself

it seems all of them are on track with there concepts and upcoming cars

scion must of fell asleep at the back of the class again

way to make me go look at a domestic scion :tup:

 

I'm talkinjg about mitsubishi evolutions , subaru sti's and even a wack subaru wrx.

 

dude im 23 and have a 92 Toyota MR2 and a 07 Toyota Yaris

I have had about 3 speeding tickets and i only pay 1400 a year total for both cars will full coverage including glass

your getting ripped off hardcore

 

how is a 92 mr2 and an 07 yaris the same as a mitsu evo or a subaru sti?


go get insurance quotes then get back to me.

I pay about 1400 a year for my two cars as well.

 

IntegreS 350 I disagree with you, I think Scion life is a realistic statistical sample of Scion owners. We have people on here from age 16-70+ from all different walks of life, and social economic groups, and backgrounds.

Aside from being a Toyota product some of the reasons I purchased a Scion were,

- They were Unique don’t see to many on the roads (not so much now as they are everywhere)

-Value for what you get the price was right. And I like the pure pricing I was in and out in under an hour.

-Fuel economy for the xB the Yaris does not compare to an 1st generation xB

-The safety features ABS, and traction control at the time was unheard of as a standard feature on a sun 16k car.

With the xB2 and xD the cars are not unique, they don’t offer anything specials that others don’t have, Fuel economy is down, and the price point is not as attractive as it use to be because of all the competition out there.

One last point to build a Yaris I would some what consider I would have to spend 17k, forget that.

A few other random points from the last few pages.

Companies always tend to ask what can we do different and a lot of times they think they need to improve themselves and then they realize they were doing a lot of things right that didn’t need changing. By changing things they alienate their customers and cause new potential customers to not be interested any longer, or the new customers they gain are few compared to those that they lose.

As for the whole retro styling thing, It initially worked well for Ford’s Mustang, but doge and Chevy’s sales of those vehicles have been poor. Also Ford has seen declines in the sale of its mustang. So if it can’t work for the domestic brands it will not work for Scion.

If Scion was not backed by Toyota I would have never purchased the three that I did. Any new car company needs to prove itself and its worth. You can create a value product but that alone will do nothing for you. Do you see any Daewoo’s around? No because it was a bad product with a cheap price, and poor crash ratings. For me, other than the highlander I don’t see any Toyota product that attracts me. Even the Honda products are horrible I don’t like the redesigns. I do like some Lexus products, but I can’t justify paying that much for a depreciating product and then I have to worry about someone hitting me lol.

 

Considering I had only been driving for two years at the time, no I was not getting ripped off and I had quotes from a bunch of companies some wanted as much as 5k for six months. Plus I had a 500k policy and not the minimums like most people do. Currently I pay about 800 for six months for my xB and tC with 500k limits and that is because my wife has a speeding ticket and I am now older so rates are lower. Insurance rates are weird and depending on where you live prices fluctuate. Even if you move to a different part of a city your rates will change. For me no matter what I drive rates will be about the same, I got quotes for an LS430, GS430, and STI but I am older so that does not really apply to the point being made.

 

no those don't fluctuate too much cause the sti might be a power beast , so are the lexus's but theyre worth more so they balance out...

 

Surprisingly for an STI and GS430 it was about $450 for six months I was pleasantly surprised, that is about what I pay now anyway.

 

well i have no idea how that is possible seeing as how l=you live in cali and have a 500k coverage. why such a high coverage anyway?

 

The way I've been seeing Scion change, is public knowledge. 2 years ago, if someone asked me what kind of car I drove, I'd say a Scion tC. Immediately people would be like "WTF is a Zion" or "Is that the box/shoebox/toaster?" Now when I say Scion tC, I get the same response that I would if I said Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Hummer...The Scion name is no longer what it used to be, 2 years ago when sales were at an all time high, it still felt like an underground car company, the cars felt rare and unknown. Now it's just another import. Scion really needs to think long and hard about what's coming out next and they need to stop building cars around something they already had, ie. Hako was built around the concept of the xB with the features of the xB2. They need to take a look at what truly makes an original car original. The xB was the most original idea since the Beetle or the Mini Cooper. What Scion really needs to do, is ignore the public opinion on how to make a new car, then listen to the public on how to improve it, like adding in standard iPod connectivity, one touch windows all around, etc.

Btw, the biggest mistake Scion ever made, was remodeling the xB. There was no need to change it, the current look of it was still up to date, maybe do the same as the tC and make tweaks..add projectors and LED tails, new stereo, tC-like HVAC...the model was only 4 years old. Look at the Crown Vic, that thing hasn't been re-modeled since the mid-90's. Scion, you need to top the xB in terms of originality and you need to top the tC in terms of performance/convenience/luxuries per dollar. So far the xB > xB2, xA > xD (many will argue, but atleast the xA wasn't an imported Dodge Caliber), tC ? Fuse/tC2.

 

As I said before, the older RS are still Unique or maybe because I own a Green one lol I sill get asked what it is and who makes it when I had my BSP one no one ever cared to ask me.

I remember the days when people said I drive a sky-on lol.