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Old Mar 8, 2011 | 03:30 AM
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I got the cel P0304 about a month ago since then i have replaced all four plugs and the coil pack to cylinder 4. I drove the car around a little over a week and the same code comes back. Could any one help with suggestions before i take the car to a mechanic. The car rides fine but when I'm at a light i can hear it sputter a little bit with some vibration.

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If it's sputtering a little bit with some vibration, it's clearly still misfiring. It could be a faulty fuel injector issue. There are 2 ways to check for a faulty injector, stethoscope and multimeter. Easiest way would be with a stethoscope.

Place one end of the stethoscope on the fuel injector. Listen for a distinct clicking noise which would be the injector firing. An injector that is functioning will make a clicking sound each time the valve opens. If the clicking sound is not heard, the injector should be replaced.
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+1 on injector issue
Old Mar 8, 2011 | 03:28 PM
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also with it missing like that it may be the EGR valve not sure just throwing that out there as another option.
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We don't have an EGR valve on the tC.
Old Mar 9, 2011 | 12:45 AM
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oh ok well thats good to kno...cause mine coded and somebody told me that it might b the egr valve atleast i dont have to wrry bout that now...but than for the info
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thanks for the info guys... havent had the time to look at the fuel injector yet but ill get to it this week. i dont have a one of those scope things but i can get my hands on a multimeter. would anyone know what im looking for if i was to go that direction?
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It looks like the fuel injector seems to be good. I checked the resistance and they all read the same (13 ohms). I also swapped the injector that was in cylinder 1 over to 4 and 4 over to 1. I rescanned the car and it pulled up the same code P0304. I've seached online and found that it could also be a bad oxygen sensor or bad catalytic converter. My motor is stock as they come. No aftermarket parts what so ever. Guess I need to find out how i can chekc the oxygen sensor and the cat.
Old Mar 18, 2011 | 07:22 PM
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It looks like the fuel injector seems to be good. I checked the resistance and they all read the same (13 ohms). I also swapped the injector that was in cylinder 1 over to 4 and 4 over to 1. I rescanned the car and it pulled up the same code P0304. I've seached online and found that it could also be a bad oxygen sensor or bad catalytic converter. My motor is stock as they come. No aftermarket parts what so ever. Guess I need to find out how i can chekc the oxygen sensor and the cat.

Um.... it coudl be a vacuum leak, be sure and check all vacuum lines you could have knocked one off by accident. That happened to me once and I was racking my brain for two days straight until I actually noticed the vacuum line that goes on to the intake manifold was loose when I re-connected it, miracle the engine idle evened out and she was purring like a kitten again. then I cleared the code and it never happened again.
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i doubt its vaccum cuz it would throw a cel for the vsv, which i believe is the only vaccum source in the engine bay. i also doubt it would be the maf sensor but u can try cleaning it and seeing if it clears up, but than again it would throw a maf code too...hmmm....
usually if its a cat or o2 sensor it should throw a cel for that as well but i have seen stranger things.
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Update- I finally got around to doing a compression test to the cylinders. Cylinders 1, 2, and 3 where in the 160 range while the 4th cylinder was at about 90. Now that i have pin pointed my problem for the cel to the 4th cylinder, what could be the problem to the low compression?
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Bad ring, I found a toasted ring on mine last year although not as bad as yours is reading.
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Originally Posted by dookie1427
Update- I finally got around to doing a compression test to the cylinders. Cylinders 1, 2, and 3 where in the 160 range while the 4th cylinder was at about 90. Now that i have pin pointed my problem for the cel to the 4th cylinder, what could be the problem to the low compression?

sounds like a bent or a burned valve if your only getting 90psi on
cylinder 4. do a leak down test. it will tell you if your leaking at the valves or at the piston ring. If you are all stock just take it to a dealer they may cover it under your warranty.
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Got the leak down done and came out that the air was escaping from the tail pipe. From what i read that leads to bad exhaust valves. Now my warranty is no good since i've got over 100k miles and i've had the car five years now. A local shop told me my head would need to be sent off to a machine shop to get redone. He quoted me about $1800 in total. That seems a little steep. I'm sure i can pick up a used motor with half the miles and for about $800 less and do the swap myself.
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