might be worth it if its 25whp
maybe

 

Dude look at there dyno , as you can see it's about the same numbers with I/E was 159.8hp 160.3tq.

Now race header wise 25hp? $900 im still going to be on the edge....but I want to see numbers of actual 25hp gains.

 

Where is the dyno?

 

For a TC? Haven't seen too many TCs on the race circuit as of yet.

 

Do you ever say anything positive and you can talk you have an xb... your starting to act like cybergypsy

 

Scott17, please remove the bug outta your ___, your posts have been real negative lately. You're starting to get as bad as the cybergypsy. People are out there autoX'ing Xa's and Xb's, so why is a race header for the tC so rediculous?

Personally $900 is a bit steep for a header considering most everyone elses is sub-$300. What makes this one so special? And being a race header, is it street legal?

 

Yes Scott17 is an idiot and don't pay any attention to anything he says. He thinks he is god of the cars since he is a certified technician. Thats what I am in school for and it doesn't take any skill to pass a written test for certification. I am pretty positive he has no idea about anything considering he posts in a TC forum and drives a stock XB.

 

Haha, you are proving your ignorance once again. When you become a Master Diagnostic Technician (it should be real soon since it is so easy!)I will be very interested to see if you still share some of the ignorant opinions you now post . I am definately not like cybergypsy at all. I don't hate the TC, actually I think its a great car. The only thing I take exception to is young, ignorant, deluded kids who propagate misinformation on a public forum where other young, ignorant, deluded kids pick it up and pass it on. 25 whp from a bolt-on header on a street car for "only" $900? Yeah, right. You guys are smart enough to use a computer to post here, why not do some FACTUAL research and learn some of the theory and workings of the internal combustion engine instead being the gullible fan-boy suckers to shady at best advertising? The Society of Automotive Engineers have enough research material that is factual and unbiased to answer any question you may have about anything concerning engines. And yes, my wife has an XB, I drive a truck actually. I don't race anything anymore. I raced motocross for 27 years and still have bikes to fulfill my speed fix on occasion. The XB is a fun car, NOT a race car, and I was never under the impression it ever was. I am not saying these cars cannot be improved upon, within reason, but let's try to keep it at least a little more realistic. P.T. Barnum said it best: "There is a sucker born every minute"

 

25WHP from a header is possible no matter what you may think. The TRD Race Team Header for the 2000-Up Celica GT-S adds 30WHP and don't tell me it doesn't because I have seen the chart and it was designed by the TRD Japan Race Team. There were only about 10 ever released but just to let you know it is possible and you don't know everything.

 

I guess we all forgot Scott17 has a Phd in mechanical engineering.

Who's more ignorant? The ignorant, deluded kids or the jackass that argues with them?

Maybe if you treated some of the people on here with respect, they'd be more open to your knowledge, instead of ramming it in their face with your "I'm the smartest f%&*ing guy in the universe and you all suck" attitude. The first sign of intelligence is to admit you don't know everything, this is something I suggest you do.

 

I never claimed to know everything and am well aware of my own shortcomings. As for mocking my education, I do happen to have a BS in physics and an AAS in Aviation Technology. These don't add up to a hill of beans without common sense, which is all I am suggesting that you use.

 

There are three factors to pricing, Materials, Design, and Quality. We use only high quality 304 stainless steel for our headers, not coated mild steel like DC's. They are full stainless from flange to flange. We are the ONLY company that offers a 4-2-1 design header with a full S-pipe. Our header does NOT throw a CEL. We have made more power than any other header currently available. Of the headers we have produced, there have been no issues with cracking, rusting, etc. This header is a RACE ONLY header, as it eliminates the cat convertor, and is NOT SMOG legal. Take a good look outside the tC community, at race headers for any other make or model. You will not find a true, full length race header for much less than $1000.

If anyone wishes to to reference our RACE HEADER history, the best and most common example is our Honda B-Series race header. It is a very popular piece, and has sold out everytime we stock it. It also retails for $900.

 

Common sense, ME? Personally I think 25whp is a bit far fetched as 25hp at the crank is a bit more feasible. I'm not as easily bitten by the advertising bug like some of my fellow Scionlifer's and remain 100% unconvinced until I see independent dyno test results as well as consumer reviews especially if $900 of my money and the engine of my car is on the line. I just simply wondered if it was street-legal, that's all.

I have nothing against you Scott, you have backed me up on a couple of occasions. You have to keep in mind that some of the users on here are not as knowledgible as yourself but that doesn't make them any less intelligent.

Look at it this way, how would you have felt if one of your professors was like "F$&* you Scott, your an idiot and will always be an idiot", would you still have had the same respect for him? Wisdom does not command respect, the way it is delivered does.

WeaponR_Ray: I'd love to see dynos, smog legal doesn't concern me since in MD I'm only required to do emissions 5 years after buying my car, at which time I'd just swap it back with the stock one.

 

The Header was prototyped and dynoed on Mahalkita's car. Here is a link to his website, with photo's and dyno sheet.
http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/695429/1

 

Man I wish I would have known about this thread sooner. I can't believe some of the jackasses on here trying to bash Scott. Scott knows his ____, he has more knowledge about engines and cars in his little finger than most people have in their entire family. Scott did some installations for me on my xB and I will go to him when I decide to turbocharge or supercharge. He is a great guy to know and he is a great member of the Scion Community. He has nothing against tC's and has said nothing but good things about mine. He's always there for any help you may need and again I'll say it: He knows his ____.

As for driving a stock xB...



That's just 1 picture. It would take around 150 pics to show all the work and mods he has done as well as all the small subtle details no one notices the first time they see it.


I have to agree with Scott that there is too much misinformation being spread through the mouths of lazy people that refuse to do any real research.

Bash me all you want, but Scott is an innovator of a lot of mods you will see in the future and he knows his ____.

-Z

 

baseline- 141.1hp/151.1 lbs torque
intake- 147.6hp/154.6 lbs torque
intake/header- 159.7hp/ 160.7

18.6 HP Gain WITH a CAI installed with it. Where's the dyno for without the CAI so we can see exactly what the real boost is.

-Z

 

I for one never meant to insult the man's intelligence, if that's how it was taken then I apologize. Scott has proven to be a great source in the past and has agreed with me on a few occasions on here, I'm just stressing that his posts lately have been mostly negative or just down right rude. I simply just want him to tone it down a little and try to keep things civil. Who knows maybe people could stand to learn from him, I just refuse to be open minded of someone who disrespects other people just because they were misinformed.

 

That's one thing about Scott, he won't BS you, he will let you know exactly how it is. I like that quality, b/c you never have to wonder if he's BSing or telling you the truth. Sometimes people take things he says the wrong way, and that's just how the Internet is, you can't read text and be able to tell if someone is joking or being sarcastic.

-Z

 

That's true, heed the almighty smiley :D

 

Im not saying he doesn't know his stuff he's just said something negative in a bunch of post lately regarding aftermarket parts and Im not saying he should voice his opinions Im just saying he should try and not bash products so badly before theyre even released... as for the header getting 160 hp w/ an intake is pretty good and makes it promising for a supercharger so Im still interested even if the price is high it makes roughly 19hp with an intake and the trd supercharger supposedly will make 40whp for $2500+ so its not that bad of a deal and I don't live in california so I could care less about smog laws b/c they don't really crack down on that in the south.