trd07tc

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This is just an idea I had and im still thinking on it looking for some scionlife creative minds input

Ok this is our situation - we all have these build bottom ends and were on pump gas..
Were stuck at that 400-450hp mark but we want some more.. maybe 500

We can get meth injection to get a few more psi safetly on pump .. but everyone has that lets think outside the box
e85 isnt available enough to be a primary fuel

we dont want to be switching maps and fuels left and right

lets say were running a piggyback with a few outputs


heres a new idea i like doing things different and trying new things

lets put another injector in your charge piping a few inches before the throttle body.. these are the parts im thinking about

1-2 gallon fuel cell in engine bay
walbro inline fuel pump
ATP Turbo sells a kit to fit an injector on an IC pipe
put a stock injector in it really shouldnt matter
fuel pressure vs return? dont know yet?
Lets put C16 or E85 in the fuel cell for a little octane boost

The main concern - controlling the injector
teeing into one of the 4 injectors would throw off the signal - cant do that
buying a new control box - too much $
running off a hobbs boost switch - RPM/TPS is too much of a variable as cheap as it would be - would work with a supercharger

Using one of the outputs of the emanage ultimate - looking up this option now - it would work perfectly

if we can use our existing ECU to control the injector this option would probably be cheaper and more reliable than a meth kit



just a late night idea - any thoughts?

gingles

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ill stick to ethanol.
my opinion is....if someone wants 500 hp they should be able to afford methanol and run enough boost to hit 500hp. also, if your wanting 500hp cheap isnt in my vocabulary.

rule #1: dont boost on a budget.

butttt, i do give you probs for thinking outside the box. i say do it and post results.

cburglb34

hey sorry dude but... i bleive jessica is making 700 on pump gas and no meth....

anyways... your theory has its flaws...a much smarter approach would be to run a fuel nozzle ffrom a nitrous kit into the charge pipe and have a fuel selonoid connected to the fuel rail and the nozzle... and boom u have fuel when u want it and at the exact amount u set it to... cheap and works

trd07tc

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I didnt meant to come off as cheap at all.. Nobody said to boost on a budget.
Finding inexpensive ways to get more power is different.

I was just thinking of maybe an alternative to meth injection.. im tired of pumps failing

trd07tc

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LMAO shes not on pump are you insane
Turn ur boost to 35+PSI on pump and see what happens

How can u set how much fuel is spraying and when?

gingles

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i wish i could get c16 at my local gas station.....dude 700hp on pump gas? rofles. go play with your blown turbos.

gingles

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im guess by the size of the jet or another fpr. i guess you could compare it somehow to a couple of different injectors to see what jet size is equivalent to what injector size.

trd07tc

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When though is more of what I was getting at..
It needs to spray based on rpm/tps/boost

Mouse

my question isn't that far off topic for this thread....
I have seen this in other threads where those that go F/I .... that some switch over to E85. Just curious what the actual advantage or need to run E85 once boosted.

thanks!

cburglb34

i was under impression she was on pump....

the amount of fuel u add is determined by size of the jet, and u can then further subtract or add fuel to your regular injectors...

and also most piggy backs support the trigger feature so at certaim rpm u can trigger this selonoid to fuel...and then cut off before rev cut cuz fuel in intake manifold and revlimiter = boom


local gas station here has c16 but anyways... play nice gingles...

trd07tc

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E85 is rated at 105 octane.

It allows for much higher boost and advanced timing AKA ALOT more power
and it cost less than 87

cburglb34

e85 is very high octane, this reduces knock/detonation drastically and keeps things cool only problem is u use almost twice as much e85 than gas for 1 spark

trd07tc

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So you would use a switch? How are you telling the injector to spray?

gingles

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e85 is like crack... you can add gobs of timing running ethanol and not have detonation. e85 is like 110 octane i believe.

cburgl......do you know anyone that is making 700hp via pump gas on a 4cyl?

cburglb34

the fuel selonoid is electronic and u can either use a windowswitch that cost liek 300 dollars tio activate during WOT and certain rpms...


or i know aem fic lets u turn on nitrous selonoids at certain throttle positions and rpms as well as cut off

cburglb34

im sure somehwere out there there has to be a 4g63 on pump making 700

trd07tc

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No tCs

lets leave it at that and stay on topic

I want to hear input and new ideas

Lets get from 450hp-500hp for under $500

trd07tc

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CB - Where are you getting the race fuel from in your theory?

gingles

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take all my fun away.....well how about....nitrous

cheap, semi reliable, and on a built motor 100 shot is no problem

cburglb34

oh yea u wanted to add racefuel to the mix...well then get a fuel cell and a pump then run a line to the fuel selonoid and have a fpr regulating it with a rising pressure os 1psi for 1psi of boost