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Old Dec 26, 2008 | 11:15 AM
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Hey everybody,
I was just looking for some further guidance in regards to the TRD Supercharger. I am having this installed on my 07 tC while I am here deployed and I want to make sure this install is done correctly from the start. I have a very competent dealership that will install the Supercharger very well. So my question is in regards to additional parts. I have done a lot of research over the past weeks, so any input would be appreciated. Or at least tell me if im on the right track:
I will have the supercharger installed at the dealership. I am looking to upgrade the pulley to the 9.5lb NST one. Now with this new pulley I am going to be using, i would be needing a new belt to limit the slippage and handle the great force (Gates K070890). So now Is where i get a little confused. After the Pulley and Belt upgrade will i need to get my ECU reflashed? I am guessing they will do it after having the supercharger installed, but will it need to be done again due to the power increase?
Also, I have read soooo many conflicting reports about the use of a turbo timer in conjunction with the supercharger. From what I can gather, it is not needed, but will help preserve the life of the supercharger. Is anyone currently running a turbo timer with their supercharger?
Last question- What other components will it beneficial to monitor? ie: oil pressure, ect.

Sorry of some of these are "noob" questions hahaah. I am new to the F/I world and just trying to get informed. So any help I can get would be great.
*please no remarks about just going turbo or whatever, I am just looking for useful information please*

Thanks in advance!
Old Dec 26, 2008 | 03:58 PM
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1 - there is only 1 TRD reflash. Another isn't needed, and you can't get one from toyota even if you wanted.
2 - note: your plans immediately void your s/c warranty
3 - TT is not necessary on your setup. was not aware there were any "conflicting reports"
4 - beneficial components to monitor? your wallet and credit cards.
Old Dec 26, 2008 | 06:30 PM
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well thanks for the semi informative feedback. I understand that this is something you are knowledgeable in, but you dont have to give such a sarcastic response. I am just trying to learn.
Old Dec 27, 2008 | 12:08 AM
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get some gauges to further monitor the life on the SC+your car. A wideband airfuel ratio gauge and a boost gauge would be good enough for the supercharger. If you want to push out more power and still keep reliability without burning fuel like a madman, get a piggyback system and get it tuned. You don't need a turbo timer for the SC lol. And yeah for the 9.5 pulley, 1 reflash is enough, but to make it more efficient, get a piggyback system IE: AEM FIC, Greddy Emanage and stuff.
Old Dec 27, 2008 | 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by luckorskill007
well thanks for the semi informative feedback. I understand that this is something you are knowledgeable in, but you dont have to give such a sarcastic response. I am just trying to learn.
it was FULLY informative. and very useful. read it again.
as far as the sarcasm, there wasn't really. it was matter of fact. if you don't like my delivery, then meh.

as far as the previous response. no, you don't need a boost gauge. and unless you are tuning or have any other power adders planned, you don't need A/F with the setup you mentioned.
The only one you mentioned...maybe, just maybe is oil pressure in case your unit takes a poop and bearings get shredded going places they have no business. in that case though you probably will hear the tell-tale whine or grinding before hand.

again, here is the newsflash in case you didn't know...you talk about your "competent dealership" to do a proper install. Then you say you're going to swap the pulley and belt. That voids your warranty...and is rather contradictory given your goals to use a dealership for the install who knows their stuff. If anything goes wrong with your mods related to that, remember my point #4 above. Oh and I am guessing you have already figured out you need to mash the nut on your s/c (unless it is an older model) to get it off??

in a nutshell...9.5 an belt is all you need. and i am still curious about the "sooo many conflicting reports about a TT with the s/c". have never seen a one.
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Only fools dont have AFR Gauges. What the heck. Even with the setup he has, an AFR gauge is almost totally necessary with boosting period. And as far as the boost gauge, it works out for telling you if you're hitting boost fully and not leaking or slipping. So true, you dont NEED them, but like the OP said, he's looking for further guidance. Gauges GUIDE you so your car doesnt eff up. And oil pressure gauge? That's the least important for the supercharger. You're saying you'd rather have an oil Pressure gauge over an AFR? You can hear when your bearings are shot, you cant hear when you're exhaust is leaking or when your belt is slipping.
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Jetlounge,
To clear up any confusion I might have cause... I was referencing the dealership as competent in regards to the SC install. In reference to your delivery and whether or not I liked it... well I just dont understand why you are going to respond at all if you are not going to be polite... but thats fine, I understand some people are like that.

HEYitsMEEE/Jetlounge,
Thank you for the information. You have answered my questions

In reference to my confusion on the turbo timer:
When I was researching the supercharger, sometimes articles would reference turbochargers as well, and i suppose I just was confused between the two. That was my mistake.

Thanks.
Old Dec 27, 2008 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jetlounge
4 - beneficial components to monitor? your wallet and credit cards.
ha - thats great. made me laugh. the car is such a good time but $$ does help
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Originally Posted by HEYitzMEEE
Only fools dont have AFR Gauges. What the heck. Even with the setup he has, an AFR gauge is almost totally necessary with boosting period. And as far as the boost gauge, it works out for telling you if you're hitting boost fully and not leaking or slipping. So true, you dont NEED them, but like the OP said, he's looking for further guidance. Gauges GUIDE you so your car doesnt eff up. And oil pressure gauge? That's the least important for the supercharger. You're saying you'd rather have an oil Pressure gauge over an AFR? You can hear when your bearings are shot, you cant hear when you're exhaust is leaking or when your belt is slipping.

wrong.
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You're welcome. If you have any questions PM or make a thread
Old Dec 28, 2008 | 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by jetlounge
4 - beneficial components to monitor? your wallet and credit cards.
ha - thats great. made me laugh. the car is such a good time but $$ does help
at least someone got my sense of humor.
Old Dec 28, 2008 | 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by jetlounge
Originally Posted by HEYitzMEEE
Only fools dont have AFR Gauges. What the heck. Even with the setup he has, an AFR gauge is almost totally necessary with boosting period. And as far as the boost gauge, it works out for telling you if you're hitting boost fully and not leaking or slipping. So true, you dont NEED them, but like the OP said, he's looking for further guidance. Gauges GUIDE you so your car doesnt eff up. And oil pressure gauge? That's the least important for the supercharger. You're saying you'd rather have an oil Pressure gauge over an AFR? You can hear when your bearings are shot, you cant hear when you're exhaust is leaking or when your belt is slipping.

wrong.
Well im not going to debate or argue about it, but as for as beneficial, AFR gauges are great. Have fun monitoring it, with what? Oh right, you dont "want" one lol.
Old Dec 28, 2008 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by HEYitzMEEE

Well im not going to debate or argue about it, but as for as beneficial, AFR gauges are great. Have fun monitoring it, with what? Oh right, you dont "want" one lol.

still wrong.
but thanks for playing.
Old Dec 28, 2008 | 03:02 PM
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narrow band afr on n/a = rice
narrow band afr on boosted = rice
wide band afr on boosted stock tune = rice
wide band afr on boosted and tuned ecu = heaven
knock lite and oil press. = god
boost gauge is great to tell if there is belt slipage
Old Dec 28, 2008 | 03:50 PM
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Lol didn't know 35's like playing games with teens still lol. But okay. I have my opinions so im not wrong. Thanks for implying! Goodbye, not gonna argue k dad!
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Ok heyitzmee you dont need an AFR gauge for the supercharger. Yes it helps but with the tune from the dealership its unneccesary. Now if your upgradign the pulley i would get an AFR gauge and a boost gauge. Also look into an upgraded BPV OP!! The stock one sucks at holding boost with the upgraded pulley and you wont be able to hit the full 9.5 with it. Now i highly recommend an Oil Pressure gauge. Heyitzmee your so wrong if you think its not needed with the TRD S/C. With all the problems regarding oil burnup, bearing failure and crap with the S/C this will help you not blow your motor if the S/C takes a crap on you while driving. OP look into the upgraded s/C shaft that the gompka is working on. He and another SLer are workign on gettign them made as the stock S/C shafts are crap. The bearings suck too. They are going to offer upgraded bearings as well from kikcaffiene. This is highly suggested as the whole TRD S/C design for the tC is crap.
Old Dec 28, 2008 | 10:27 PM
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alright thanks for the info.
Old Jan 4, 2009 | 02:24 AM
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NP man. If you have any more S/C questions feel free to ask. But for some more help refer to the S/C thread in the stickied posts and seek out soem guys actually runnign the S/C. I know Draxcaliber is a cool guy and has a S/C still i believe.
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