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Old Sep 14, 2006 | 07:15 PM
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Ok.....my bad.



Try to angle the intake a little more towards the front left headlight. It should give you a bit of clearance.
Old Sep 14, 2006 | 07:20 PM
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Try to angle the intake a little more towards the front left headlight. It should give you a bit of clearance.
Will do. But it still sucks that it gets hot enough to melt that foamy insulator stuff!! I'm definately still gonna try to wrap it with some header insulation and see what happens. It'll look ugly as hell but maybe it will be worth it,dunno

I don't really care about a pretty engine bay, just performance.
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Well, might want to be careful with doing the wrap too. If header wrap is meant to hold heat in, that will super heat the air in the box even more.

The thing about the hoodliner melting, it's supposed to do that b/c it's actually a fire blanket for your car's engine. If there's ever a fire, the fire will melt the plastic clips holding it and it will drop on the engine smothering the fire. Why not try some black rubber liner for truck beds? It's about 1-1.5 inches wide and only about 1/4'' thick. Sticky on one side. It could act as a cushion.
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The thing about the hoodliner melting, it's supposed to do that b/c it's actually a fire blanket for your car's engine. If there's ever a fire, the fire will melt the plastic clips holding it and it will drop on the engine smothering the fire. Why not try some black rubber liner for truck beds? It's about 1-1.5 inches wide and only about 1/4'' thick. Sticky on one side. It could act as a cushion.
Wow! I didn't know that about the fire blanket. Pretty neat idea. One thing about the insulation though, it keeps heat in yeah, but it also keeps heat out. I'll try it for a day or so to see what happens.

Is the black rubber liner kinda like dynamat??
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No, it's just rubber, not tar. If you go to a truck shop or I think autozone carries it in their adhesive section, it's just a long strip of rubber. You can get it in various thicknesses. Not sure if it'll work, but it definately could create a cushion against the hood.
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Thanks i'll keep that in mind next time i'm there, i'll take a look at it.
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Weapon R is defintily terrible in my opinion. They got smart with me plenty of times too. i wish i can get someone to buy this off me so i can get some money back.

well.. i dont 't think anyone wants it now cuz i talked all these crap about them!
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Just an FYI folks. I had the Weapon-R SRI for about three months and sold it after some dissapointment. If you have a Weapon-R SRI that you've had installed long enough for the TC's ECM to get used to, try this the next time your at a stop light. Take off in second gear. Everyone knows that the gearing and torque combined in our TC's allow this easily, but if you have the Weapon-R SRI you will notice that you have to rev up the RPM's a bit more to take off. Why you ask? Contact Ray at Monster Motor Works and he will even tell you that yes, the SRI provides 8 or so HP more than the stock intake, but it also cause a 22 FT LB torque loss at around 2400 RPM's!!!
Not the amount of tourque I'm prepared to lose from my 4 cylinder daily driver.

In fact I might even still have the emails from him.

My 2 cents...
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What in the engineering causes the loss? Is it that inner tubular design? Or is it the filter itself? You think that getting another filter (K&N or equivalent) and putting it on the pipe may make a difference?
Old Sep 15, 2006 | 06:56 PM
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No, I believe it actually has something to do with the intake pulling in too much air and screwing with the MAF sensor.
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That's weird though b/c the ECU should adjust after install and battery disconnect to the increased air induction. It seems more like it would be choking the intake. I believe that if they were to flip their design around and move the inner tube near the intake portion rather than near the throttle body, it would syphon in a better air supply at a more efficient rate. Too much air is regulated by the MAF so I'm not sure if it's messing it up, rather just confusing it with the dual suction. It reads 1 speed for the inner pipe and another for the outer pipe.

I think that whole inner tube design needs to be re-engineered.
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I found one of the original emails from Ray Fong at Monster Motor Works.
Here it goes in his words...

"The pipe you received is the correct, updated pipe. We actually dynoed a tC yesterday, and noticed the same torque loss. I did a little testing and research to find that below 4000rpm, the ECU runs the motor excessively lean when an intake is added. Once VVTi kicks in, the ECU’s changes to a more aggressive fueling map, hence the big jump in power around 4000rpm. This is an issue with not only our intake, but K&N and Injen as well, as shown on their dyno charts. There is simply too much air being ingested at the lower rpm’s than the ECU can handle. You don’t see as much of a problem with turbo tC’s, simply because most turbos don’t get spooled up till about 3500-4000 rpms. There’s not much we can do aside from tuning the ECU. I hope this answers your questions and eases your mind.


You decide for yourself...
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Funny how they basically blame it on the design of the VVT-i but yet, shouldn't they work around that design in engineering? hahahahaha.... s


Oh well, I've got my K&N and havn't had any low end loss in power due to a higher influx of air. I think it might work better with a different filter on it, but that's just a thought.
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And that's why I sold it...

I've been back to stock airbox for about a year now, but after what I feel is enough time to hear about different intakes, I'm finally ready to lay down some cash for a CAI.
It will probably be a K&N or Injen. They seem overall to be the better two of the bunch.
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Yeah, Injen gives you about 4-5 hp more at 5500 rpm. I got the K&N before I got my car b/c i was excited, but I should have waited to get the Injen. Oh well. No complaints though. The K&N is quite nice and has a filter wrap for water splash. Not sure if the Injen comes with that but the Injen can become a short ram as well. The K&N says it can but the main pipe is too long. They lie. hahaha
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Hey, where'd you get the LED reverse lights? Are they much brighter than stock? Also, have you found any hyper white LED license plate bulbs? Pics of the package if you can find them or pics of the light bulbs (LEDs) themselves?
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Originally Posted by Tobias455
I found one of the original emails from Ray Fong at Monster Motor Works.
Here it goes in his words...

"The pipe you received is the correct, updated pipe. We actually dynoed a tC yesterday, and noticed the same torque loss. I did a little testing and research to find that below 4000rpm, the ECU runs the motor excessively lean when an intake is added. Once VVTi kicks in, the ECU’s changes to a more aggressive fueling map, hence the big jump in power around 4000rpm. This is an issue with not only our intake, but K&N and Injen as well, as shown on their dyno charts. There is simply too much air being ingested at the lower rpm’s than the ECU can handle. You don’t see as much of a problem with turbo tC’s, simply because most turbos don’t get spooled up till about 3500-4000 rpms. There’s not much we can do aside from tuning the ECU. I hope this answers your questions and eases your mind.


You decide for yourself...
hmm.... thats interesting..... so he's saying turbos dont boost below 4K? And yet with an intake with A BIT more air going in, the ECU cant compensate at all? And VVT-i kicking in? It doesnt "kick" in.
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What he is talking about is the fact that the factory programming for the ECU allows for it to compensate only so much when it comes to air flow. This of course is regarding a normally aspirated TC engine. If your boosting, chances are you have advanced fuel map reprogramming or some type of e-manage.

As far as VVT-i, I agree it defietely doesn't "kick in". I just think he was using it in a
different text.
Old Sep 16, 2006 | 05:54 PM
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I am thinking about buying either AEM or TRD CAI because it comes with the bypass valve to prevent hydrolocking but I don't know if that really prevent the hydrolocking 100% ya know.
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Just don't take your car for a swim and you'll be fine.



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