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Old Dec 28, 2011 | 04:45 PM
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i know its kinda crazy on such a new car.. but.. i made the mistake of purchaseing a auto... haha.. how impossible would it be to do sumthing like this..? any one have a clue ?
Old Dec 28, 2011 | 04:56 PM
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nvm search finaly started working on my comp @ wrk
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Originally Posted by ralph9983
i know its kinda crazy on such a new car.. but.. i made the mistake of purchaseing a auto... haha.. how impossible would it be to do sumthing like this..? any one have a clue ?
yea after going manual, never going back. when i drive auto i can eat a cheeseburger, change the radio, etc...gl on the swap. Maybe its biased but it seems to me that the people who invest the most into their cars on SL drive an automatic. its a shame.
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ive own a manual b4.. it was fun.. but i do alot of driving in the city and to be honest. before i got my tc i wasnt really into the whole go fast scene.. now that i own one i want to go turbo.. which i could still do i guess.. but i wont be able to get the big time hp numbers on a auto tranny.. and i know alot of people will be like" go trade it in", but like u said.. ive invested alot so far in to my rs7 =) wayyy to much wrk to bring it back to stock..
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on the tc1 itd cost about 3k roughly... on the new tc i dont know. I've done it before for someone costing less than 3k but thats because i had a majority of the parts already at home. Its a lot of work
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Hi Ralph,

Get a small turbo like the disco potato (GT2860RS) or anything else that spools quickly and early, and that 250 horsepower (the most that this particular auto tranny can hold) will be felt most keenly even at low rpm's. Those getting larger turbos to aim for higher horsepower numbers lose out on low rpm power, so in a sense your disadvantage can be turned into something sweet. You'll have something they won't -- much less turbo lag.

Consider getting a valve body upgrade from IPT. That much I'd say is pretty worthwhile and you should do it. It'll shift more aggressively/quickly, though less smoothly. You'll definitely feel more connected to the vehicle and performance will improve as well since some of the designed slip that occurs between gear changes will be eliminated. You'll feel the shifts though, like you do in a manual. You could also get a higher-stall torque converter (TC), but that's a lot more money and expense and it probably doesn't improve performance much at all. Mainly, it means the torque converter will slip more, and then start catching sharply at say 3000rpm instead of 1500-2000 as it is stock. You know what this slip is, because you experience it every time you're in Drive but the car is stopped. Catching later, at say 3000rpm, means the engine is in its prime power band for the delivery of torque, and the TC will play catch-up and give you a more pronounced torque multiplier effect. Drag Racers love that kind of thing tho -- hold the brake down, press on the gas, engine spins but wheels don't, then let go of the brake and watch 'er roar. Anyway, it's sorta cool but I wouldn't go there.

To the other folk: I've long disliked the attitude that's quite common in some circles that automatics are shameful and such. Truly, you like what you like and if another likes something else, putting them down and harping on your opinion isn't cool.
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Also, I suggest getting a more solid motor mount. It's super easy to install, maybe 15 minutes, and most people probably have the tools required. You can get GGP's motor mount from Nurspec ((602) 284-6033) or Torque Solution's motor mount (can be found pretty much all over the 'net). My suggestion is to go with the GGP motor mount, see my review here:

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=210343

PS: Keep in mind that many manual drivers aren't especially proficient at proper technique -- even veterans sometimes. As your situation evolves in an automatic, second by second, you don't have to rev match, shift, etc. etc. Doing all that properly takes time (mere microseconds, but it ads up). Or, you can do it all quickly and just put a ton of wear on your clutch, drivetrain, etc. It ain't pretty when it's forced.

PPS: I have the manual, 'cuz I wanted 350 horsepower on the cheap.
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^^
I just learned a few things from that post, thanks! And totally agree with the last statement.

When it's all said and done, you are going to lose out less by just trading.
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