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condenser

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Thanks for the link. It's been sounding MUCHO better only a day or so after I put the good gas

No more Arco for me

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KK well so far no cold air coming out The Air condenser has pressure now that is was welded, but our attempt at waisting like 2 cans of Freon failed to produce any results.

I have to find an Auto Air conditioner specialist cause I am spinning my wheels here. Anyone know one??

hotbox05

91 does not make this car run better.....

hotbox05

when I bought my car i was told it uses the new freonless ac system . I know other new toyota's use that system , dunno if the scions do or not .

Tomas

Yeah, the Scions don't use Freon - they use one of the newer high-tech (but less efficient) coolants.

Refrigerant: HFC–134a (R134a).

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YES!!!! I mean R134a Refrigerant!

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YES!!!! I mean R134a Refrigerant!

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Correction:
KK well so far no cold air coming out The Air condenser has pressure now that is was welded, but our attempt at waisting like 2 cans of Refrigerant failed to produce any results.

I have to find an Auto Air conditioner specialist cause I am spinning my wheels here. Anyone know one??

Tomas

Yeah...

Some Info

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MAN! That was sum delicious Pizza. I got that printed already and will be reading it while I send it over to my Mechanic friend to see if we skipped any of these steps

vintage42

Scion says 87 is best:

From: Scion <scion_mail@scion.com>
Reply-To: Scion <scion_mail@scion.com>
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:09:12 -0700 (PDT)
To: <me@insightbb.com>
Subject: Scion xB horsepower and torque [Incident: 060901-000071]
Response (Vernon)09/06/2006 04:09 PM
… The vehicle is engineered and tested using 87 octane fuel. We recommend that fuel for optimum performance, reliability, and fuel economy on the vehicle. The vehicle does make the same power at maximum throttle position on 87 octane as it would on higher octane fuel.

If your engine was knocking, maybe your octane was below 87 or your knock sensor is not working?

The Owners Manual, Section 2, Page 114 says:
OCTANE RATING
Select Octane Rating 87... or higher.
Use of unleaded gasoline with an octane rating or research octane number lower than (87 octane) stated above will cause persistent heavy knocking. If it is severe, this will lead to engine damage.

Tech Literature:
DIAGNOSTICS - SFI SYST
DTC P0325 - KNOCK SENSOR 1 CIRCUIT - CIRCUIT DESCRIPTION
Knock sensor is fitted on the cylinder block to detect the engine knocking. This sensor contains a piezoelectric element which generates a voltage when it becomes deformed, which occurs when the cylinder block vibrates due to knocking. If engine knocking occurs, the ignition timing is delayed to suppress it.

Or maybe what you heard was a physical rattle not related to octane or knocking.

ajayaitch

Tomas pointed you to the top-tier site, so I won't bother repeating it.
Carbon buildup on the valve stems, heads or piston tops can effectively raise compression and cause hot spots, both of which lead to pre-ignition, or pinging.
10k miles of crappy gas is all it takes. The knock sensor may not be able to compensate if it is severe.

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I guess then the quality of the 87 is important. I dunno but as soon as I started putting higher octane gas NOT from the el cheapo stations the sounds took a day and were gone. I guess getting 87 at shell or 76 will be my next test.

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UPDATE:

The AC specialist says his diagnosis is a bad air compressor now

I am starting to get a eye twitch!! Back to the dealer to see if it's under warranty!!!!!!!!!

hotbox05

gonna be hard to warranty the ac system after you've allready tried fixing it and possibly "messed up" stuff in their eyes at least , best of luck.

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Actually the only way THEY would see it MAYBE as warrantied were if I spend the $850 to replace the condenser and then find that the Compressor was screwed and that is another $1000 that of course would be NOT UNDER WARRANTY I am sure. Lying SOB's gave me the run around today and they could not even find the problem. I really wish I could swear on these forums right now.

So it does not matter if I played there BS game or played my way they will come up with an excuse why it's nit under warranty in the middle of So Cal where I will have NO DAMN AC!!!!!!

Scion and Toyota might have lost a long term customer over a rock on the road.

I love the term "in there eyes" cause it's really another set of words for "Not under Warranty".

Obviously I am a little upset and do not think this is right really. But such is life.

Tomas

Remember, a warranty is the company saying they built the car right, out of quality parts, and it was in good condition when it left the factory - if it's wasn't, they will fix it.

It is NOT a promise to fix anything that goes wrong, for whatever reason, forever.

There is a VERY good chance that getting a puncture in the condenser, bleeding all the refrigerant and lubricant out of the system, then running the compressor in that condition for an extended time could damage the compressor. This is in NO way the fault of the manufacturer - it was damage after it was sold, not a factory error.

Yeah, it would be nice to have free repairs for life, but it isn't going to happen unless you spend one Hell of a lot more for a vehicle...

Good luck!
Tom

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"Yeah, it would be nice to have free repairs for life, but it isn't going to happen unless you spend one Hell of a lot more for a vehicle..."

DUDE!!!! what do you work for a dealership?? I have had the car for 5K miles. I am not looking for free repairs for life and there are no conditions I made that made the car worse off other than drive it.

To me you make it sound like all the BS they gave me today was justified and it was BS what they told me. They look for how they are not responsible and put things off on me like they never even planned to deal with it.

Here are things they said:

"They could not find the problem that they diagnosed(even though I fixed what they told me was the original problem and there is no leak in the condenser)"

"they are really not used to having to deal with a fixed condenser rather than a brand new one that they install."

"that my pulley is a different diameter than the OEM (BIG BS on that) so they really can't tell whats' wrong."

Do these things really sound like professionals to you? EXPERTS in there field that work of Toyota and Scions every day??

If they had been clear with me like you had I might have bought into there hook but they were not.



NOTE: I am frustrated but I am reading your posts and not bashing anyone just cause they do not agree with me I am looking at as many angles as I can here to understand my situation.

TuningIsLife

Find a pic of the OEM Pulley next to your pulley show that too them and go, I thought you said this was a different Diameter.