neverboxed

If you had read what I wrote you would see that this would give you the extra power needed to run the full echo transmission including the final drive gear. This WOULD lower the rpms. The "supercharger" would keep the low end power. That's all.
When I do the tranny swap in a couple weeks I will let you know.

And Mr. RT on 20's you can ____ off.

RTon20s

No one here is interested in your snake oil.

fusionscion

^^^ why are you soo nasty... didnt your mother ever tell you if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all..

come on now, how old are we?

RTon20s

The guy has two posts on the site. That's it. On top of that, he comes in here promoting a product that has been proven to reduce power in the lower rpm range while making little to no benefit in the upper rpm range.

In my opinion, a troll. If he something more to add I would love to see it. If he has dyno runs with video and and graphs to prove the gains, I'd love to see it. If he has documentation to show the swapping of echo gears or even a whole transmission I would love to see it. Until then he is a troll.

And you can come in here and attack me all you want Fusion. I understand the situation you are in right now, and I would probably be ____ed off at the world, too. You might want to take another look at your own thread though to see that I actually offered my sympathies.

All I am doing in this thread is trying to help out new, uneducated Scion owners who might turn around and go buy an "electric supercharger" off of ebay.

neverboxed

Hey maybe I came across in the wrong way. I am one of those uneducated owners, at least in the automotive world. I went from a turbo charged car (03 EVO) putting about 320 hp to the ground to my Box which isn't even close. The first thing I did was to see if there was anything I could do to speed it up a bit. I saw these electric things and thought I would try one. I put it on and it really helps. Granted I don't have dyno runs yet but I merge on the interstate twice every day of the week and I do frequent a local drag strip to have some fun. The times are almost 2 seconds faster. Maybe this won't work for everyone becuase there are alot of different ones out there. But I do know that it may be worth trying that is all it's only 70 bucks or so.
What if you always listened to everyone else and never tried for yourself.

RTon20s

OK... I am trying my best to be civil with you. And I am going to try to be nice.

I must say that there is NO WAY you dropped your quarter mile times two seconds by adding an electric fan to your intake. If I am not mistaken a manual xB is rated at 16.8 in the quarter. (Most guys don't even break into the 16s.) That would put you at 14.8 with the $70 ebay wonder gizmo. Not going to happen. That is the equivalent of pulling 2000 lbs, out of a 2500 lbs. car.

There are very few naturally aspirated cars that can get into the mid to high 15s. And most of those guys have every single bolt on performance part and weight reduction to get it. To get into the low 15s or better requires either nitrous, forced induction, or breaking into the internals.

If you are happy with your little electric fan, fine. But I guarantee if you took your car to the track or dyno and really tested a before and after you wouldn't see the "butt dyno" results you claim. In fact, I would be willing to bet money you are losing power on the bottom end because of airway restriction caused by the fan.

With that, I am done with this portion of this thread. When someone has some real, valuable information pertaining to gear and transmission swaps, please post away.

rotten_apple_peel

The Ebay item is a fan that makes a "whizzing" sound when you press the gas pedal as it pulls air through the intake. it does NOT increase anything except a false ego. There is no way in h377 it dropped your box 2 whole seconds.

This is shameless. You know where you can stick your fan sir.

rotten_apple_peel

I want a racing transmission for my 03 Echo. I am determined to get a turbo from HKS, Greddy, Blitz ( from the Scion Ax, Xb catalog ) or wait for the new supercharger that Blitz will carry for the Yaris .I would settle for the factory turbo from the Vitz RS but fat chance since I don't speak Japanese. any of these will work.

Only reason I want a racing drivetrain would be to hold the extra horsepower since I hear factory units aren't reliable after you add more than 1/2 the existing power to it. Echo is stock w/ 106 HP @ 6400 RPM* ( i might be off some rpm ) I intend to add 50-80 more HP. That is clearly above the limit.

Current drivetrain is a slushbox automatic

So convert to Manuel? If so how much is that going to cost?

And great forum, you guys give me more information about my Echo than the Echo forum does, seriously.

fusionscion

doing that would cost a couple grand... talk to zpiracing... they are masters with scions, and im sure they can do custom work on your echo... im sending my xB to them to drop a tc tranny in the xB... my tranny blew... stock the xB has 89whp and im around the range of 200whp.... i would suggest upgrading the engine mounts, or pulling them and filling them with urethane... my next mod will be that...

sikbrik

copy this and import it into excel as space delimited text and it will make more sense. basically, it's a few options and a few non-options, just for comparison. The '03 + Corolla 5th gives you a really nice combo and lower cruising RPM than the 6-spd swap WITHOUT the cutting. Better acceleration than the echo final drive, and it swaps right in. Part #'s coming next if I don't get flamed like crazy again by people who swear that the echo final is the only way to go.

xA Corolla (03-06) xA - Corolla 5th xA - Corolla final drive xA: Corolla 5th & final 00-05 celica xA: Corolla final - Celica 4th xA with C60/C160

1st 3.54 3.166 3.54 3.54 3.54 3.166 3.54 3.166
2nd 1.904 1.904 1.904 1.904 1.904 1.904 1.904 2.05
3rd 1.31 1.31 1.31 1.31 1.31 1.392 1.31 1.481
4th 0.969 0.885 0.969 0.969 0.969 1.031 1.031 1.166
5th 0.815 0.725 0.725 0.815 0.725 0.815 0.815 0.916
6th - - - - - - - 0.725
final 4.31 3.94 4.31 3.94 3.94 4.31 3.94 4.529

overall>>
1st 15.2574 12.47404 15.2574 13.9476 13.9476 13.64546 13.9476 14.338814
2nd 8.20624 7.50176 8.20624 7.50176 7.50176 8.20624 7.50176 9.28445
3rd 5.6461 5.1614 5.6461 5.1614 5.1614 5.99952 5.1614 6.707449
4th 4.17639 3.4869 4.17639 3.81786 3.81786 4.44361 4.06214 5.280814
5th 3.51265 2.8565 3.12475 3.2111 2.8565 3.51265 3.2111 4.148564
6th - - - - - - - 3.283525

Tire Size 185/60/15 185/65/15 185/60/15 185/60/15 185/60/15 195/60/15 185/60/15 185/60/15
Tire Dia. 23.74 24.47 23.74 23.74 23.74 24.21 23.74 23.74

RPM @ 80 in 5th
(mph x drive ratio x 336) / tire diameter = rpm 3977 3138 3538 3636 3234 3900 3636 3718



RPM @ 65 in 5th 3232 2550 2875 2954 2628 3169 2954 3021

Theroetical top speed @ 6500 rpm in top gear. 127 166 142 139 156 133 139 140

wombat

I'm very interested in this gear change.
I have a bad gear bearing and need a rebuild. I am looking at alternatives while trying to keep it cheap.

Im watching!

dgHotLava

just get the TRD final gear set...and an LSD...then you are set.

TuningIsLife

Dead Post Walking.

bringing this one back to see if we have any new info.

fusionscion

Need more information on the TRD gear set?

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dgHotLava

What do yo want to know...????

It is on the TRD website.
Used for the Racing Yaris Division...they use the same engine/trans as the gen 1 xB and xA...
you have a choice of two different final drive gear ratios:

stock is 4.312
ver1: 4.058
ver2: 3.772

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fusionscion

ok thanks... i just wanted to know maybe price n stuff but i kno that now... thanks

ne1 know anything we could do to strengthen up our transmissions? i was thinking cryo treatment.. but i dont really have the time 2 take apart each component and ship it out to get it treated... n info for stronger trannys?

TuningIsLife

^^ Following him

dgHotLava

the trannys are strong already...what are you looking to strentghen them for?

if you are concerned about taking apart your tranny then sending it out, why not pick up a spare from a salvage yard?

fusionscion

well i blew my tranny... i guess a pin that holds a little piece together snapped off and put a nickel sized hold in my casing... did that shifting slowly from reverse into 1st gear... so i guess the trannys rent as strong as you might think

dgHotLava

you're complaing a pin broke (as you guessed), all because you don't know well enough to stop compleatly when changing directions....

i see this kind of crap when idiots try rolling backwards then dropping it into 1st just to get the wheels to spin...


i beat mine up day-in and day-out, with a lot of HP they were never meant to see.
the gears, shafts and housing are way overbuilt for this car.