moaiD

great sticky here!! but would like to find out more... me on an ist thinking of lowering my ride (yeah slam that ride!)... i find the stock ride is bit stiff..especially at the back... so which one of those springs u guys would recommend to have it lowered + comfort ride? will i have issues with running on this new springs and current dampers??

jwa276

i am curious about the same thing... i know i will either get the tein s-techs or the goldlines.. definitely one of those 2. i know the stechs on a box yields great results... but i have yet to really been able to compare the drop of the 2 types of springs.

i think since i am a college student and i have to go over some pretty rough roads daily, im leaning more towards the tein s-techs.

any suggestions?

-jon

bear454

Where are the TRDs? No love for the factory option?

Ashe_WCM

The Lower the Spring rate the softer the ride would be, however Shock/Struts make a huge differnce as well.
No response from TRD contacts about spring rate.

moaiD

yeah.... cos from what i see those lowered springs are rated with higher spring constant (so by right stiffer).... dont want my wifey & kid to hit da roof at the rear....

BUT... maybe got to do with the shocks too i gess.. its a combined effect....

the progressive springs looks good....

jwa276

after doing a little more research, i think ive decided to go with goldlines... the s-techs for xA's dont seem to drop it much at all... and practically all the reviews for them say something about wishing the drop were more. i know how that goes from my previous car, where i had to try 5 different suspension combos before i was satisfied.

the goldlines look like a much more aggressive drop

jon

Xbilly

Are the TRD springs for the xa and xb the exact same? If not will the trd-xb spring fit safely on the xa. I want to change my springs and give my trd's on my girl's xa

Ashe_WCM

They will fit, prolly be pretty stiff and the drop wont be the same.

bear454

From TRD_Help@Toyota.com:
According to the Scion Web Site, the drop is 20mm (0.787"), but these are typically described as settling to a 1" - 1.1" drop, front and rear.

Finally.

andrewjc

It looks like Tanabe has made some changes to the NF210 springs. The original post has the drop listed at 1.3" front and 2.0" for the rear creating a "reversed rake" appearence. Tanabe now has the drop at 1.3" front and 1.0" rear. Spring rates has also changed slightly from 154 lbs/in to 157 lbs/in for the front. The rear spring rates has changed as well from 121 lbs/in to 123 lbs/in. Looks like an alternative to the Tein H-techs.

jct

and pics of the Tanabe NF210 on an xA???

if its on stock rims that would be a major plus!!! if not thats fine

bear454

The TRD springs for xA have a 20mm drop, for xB a 30mm drop, but both are supposed to have the same spring rate? Can these be interchanged to get 30mm drop on the xA?

Ashe_WCM

Nope.
Same spring rate with more weight makes the drop on xB's larger, you put the xB springs on and you will get the same drop as xA.
They are the exact same spring .
Personally I would,nt suggest any drop that caused your Lower Control Arm's to move beyond horizontal due to issues with steering and suspension Geometry

bear454

Why the different part numbers, then?

Ashe_WCM

I should clarify,I have a Friend who works as a mechanic at the dealer who told me when I was asking about the spring rate that having installed both there was no difference that him or the other mechanics could see, now if they have the same rate and are visually identical it goes to believe that they are the same. why different part numbers i dont know , maybe the same reason I was told that the tierod for the xA will not interchange with the echo even tho they are the exact same part. possibly so corporate can keep track of what cars the parts are being bought for.

bear454

Thanks for clarification.

shangtsung

Anyone know the H&R spring rates?

robbiej

OK, if I go with the eibach sportline will I need a camber kit?

SciFly

Hi Ashe, despite very best of intentions and org. ability on your part I gotta note
one boner in this old posting of yours. It is what influenced me to spring for Tein Basics,
expecting some sort of AutoX ride wonders from Basics



NONONONONONONONONONONo that is just not so.


I can def. state that Tein Springs plain or coilovered, as spec'd for A and B for USA by TeinUSA are -for the comfort and style seekers-. The Tein Basic Coilover. is cushy. And so will be the Tein Super Street (has the very same spring rates). Crank shut the SS bleed screw to simulate ha ha a stiff spring ride but that's a different thing really.

Knowing know what I know now the $$$ way, if we want something really a lot more slalom-capable we'd want more in the not-so-radical numbers by Megan racing.


And another thing: numbers do "lie" a bit because unless the spring compression tests are done at the same -point within the spring's range of compression then it's not a gonna correlate well with other makers testing other ways.-

That is again: The spring "test" listed above is not valid. It is just not that simple.


Teins as presently spec'd by Tein for our cars -are not sporty-.
(and this goes for all you have listed above at present, excepting say Megan Racing... the other springs just don't -measure different enuf to be called distinctive from stock. Ten and twenty percents do not make "oh wow how tight" differences in results here.

OEM are not so weak as we might think by trusting numbers. NO, truly, OEM springs are stiffer than TEIN for danged sure. Again, it must be because spring rate tests were not done to a standard by one company, or another, or any of them.

We are left with a table of spring "data" that isn't as much use as... Joe saying to Fred: "x is stiffer than y by my own same-day riding test."

Sciond

ouch my head hurts now I need to re-think my choices....