How about the SUV side of the xB?
I don't want to lose the skirts completely, but shorter skirts in the front and rear would be nice. When have guys ever objected to shorter skirts? 
A larger fuel tank would fit in the existing space without intruding into the interior..
Taller suspension would require new struts or some spacing of the existing struts. I'd say that about an inch from the suspension and another inch from the tires would be about right. As I said, Nissan did it (supplied rally struts) with the 510.
The rack I was talking about is an aftermarket item. No, I don't want Toyota to put a Con-Ferr rack on from the factory, but some threaded hard points in the roof would have been nice!
As for the Rav4, I did look at it, but the interior room of the xB was so much larger than the Rav4 it was no contest.
George

A larger fuel tank would fit in the existing space without intruding into the interior..
Taller suspension would require new struts or some spacing of the existing struts. I'd say that about an inch from the suspension and another inch from the tires would be about right. As I said, Nissan did it (supplied rally struts) with the 510.
The rack I was talking about is an aftermarket item. No, I don't want Toyota to put a Con-Ferr rack on from the factory, but some threaded hard points in the roof would have been nice!
As for the Rav4, I did look at it, but the interior room of the xB was so much larger than the Rav4 it was no contest.
George
I was thinking the side skirts could be replaced an aluminum (or stainless) pipe that is notched and cut to fit into the OEM location, but would add some protection to the side and double as a rock-slider of sorts if you scraped a curb. The effect would look something like the mock running boards that are on the new beetle.
As for more ground clearance, I am still looking for the thread about possibly using Toyota Echo springs, but I don't know if that will offer more height. I guess you could always use spring spacers or just use taller tires. However, I would not go any higher than 1" without a through retest of the box's geometry and safety systems.
As for a roof rack, I agree. I think a permanent mount (screwed into the roof) design would look much cleaner and be more functional.
JC Whitney sells a lot of areo-designed racks that I think would fit nicely, such as this one...
http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/P...X/appId-433965
Originally Posted by rallyxb
As for more ground clearance, I am still looking for the thread about possibly using Toyota Echo springs, but I don't know if that will offer more height. I guess you could always use spring spacers or just use taller tires. However, I would not go any higher than 1" without a through retest of the box's geometry and safety systems.
George
Originally Posted by George
. . .I was in that thread, and it kind of petered out for lack of data. I think I'll have to scrounge a set of Echo springs to find out if they will fit. The point of my quest was improved ride, not height, and I doubt that the Echo springs will raise ride height. You could raise things with spacers, but keep in mind that you you will leave less rebound for the struts and shocks so things will get dicy very fast if you go more than an inch.
George
George
I am currently using slightly wider and taller snow tires that add 1/2" more ground clearance. The box still handles great!
:D
Originally Posted by rallyxb
I am currently using slightly wider and taller snow tires that add 1/2" more ground clearance. The box still handles great!
:D
:D
How about some Yokohama MT14 rally tires:

George
Originally Posted by George
. . .What's the size?
How about some Yokohama MT14 rally tires:


George
How about some Yokohama MT14 rally tires:

George
For the winter I am running 195/60R15 Bridgestone Blizack WS-50.
They have tons of traction and make the box corner and ride a lot better.
The speedo is only off by about 2 MPH.
So... I wonder how tall a tire you can go?
:?:
Good to hear the box handles well in the snow. I put 4 snow tires on it so I guess I'll be in good shape when it finally snows out here in Jersey. Regarding the SUV question: I've been hauling everything imagineable in my box. Just had a stove in it not too long ago. I haul all our recycleables to the dump in it once a month too. At 34 mpg not too shabby!
Originally Posted by Boxed_In
Good to hear the box handles well in the snow. I put 4 snow tires on it so I guess I'll be in good shape when it finally snows out here in Jersey. Regarding the SUV question: I've been hauling everything imaginable in my box. Just had a stove in it not too long ago. I haul all our recyclables to the dump in it once a month too. At 34 mpg not too shabby!
If you start to skid it will automatically activate the breaks on 1 to 3 wheels and cut the throttle slightly to help you go the right way. I have purposefully tried to get it so slide and it won't... not unless you pull the emergency break. Then ... weeeee! Donuts!
:D
Also, I agree. The xB offers more "utility" than many of todays SUV's at a fraction of the cost.
My xB has more cargo capacity than my Buddy's new 2WD Ford Escape, which cost a lot more. And I still have better traction in the snow!
Originally Posted by rallyxb
Also, I agree. The xB offers more "utility" than many of todays SUV's at a fraction of the cost.
My xB has more cargo capacity than my Buddy's new 2WD Ford Escape, which cost a lot more. And I still have better traction in the snow!

My xB has more cargo capacity than my Buddy's new 2WD Ford Escape, which cost a lot more. And I still have better traction in the snow!
Any updates? I started a new thread regarding the "SUV potential" of xBs after not finding anything using the search engine (thanks to RPMxB for pointing this thread out!).
Here's our xB SUVed out almost as far as it could go in the Tobacco Roots Mountains in Montana last August (ironic, eh, Missoula Tim?!?):
(Click for bigger image.)
Our 17" rims w/low-profile performance tires had been stolen in Cali before we left, so we were back on the 15" wheels w/60 sidewall. But it ended up being a blessing for this trip b/c we never could have driven in on the dirt roads to get to our camp site without popping the tires. No way.
Also, glad we didn't lower the car, for the exact same reason.
Although now that we're back the freaking 3" wheel gap is killing me every time I look at it!
(p.s. Camping trip cut short by torrential downpour and lack of submersible pontoon outrigger or hydrofoil option for xB...c'mon already, TRD!!)
(Click for bigger image.) Our 17" rims w/low-profile performance tires had been stolen in Cali before we left, so we were back on the 15" wheels w/60 sidewall. But it ended up being a blessing for this trip b/c we never could have driven in on the dirt roads to get to our camp site without popping the tires. No way.
Also, glad we didn't lower the car, for the exact same reason.
Although now that we're back the freaking 3" wheel gap is killing me every time I look at it!
(p.s. Camping trip cut short by torrential downpour and lack of submersible pontoon outrigger or hydrofoil option for xB...c'mon already, TRD!!)
We spent the last 7 years crossing the country in a Astro Van and sometimes a 4 Runner BMX racing. For the last two years I ran all kinds of vehicles through my head as to what would be ideal. The XB ! As soon as I saw one I knew one day that it would be the perfect rig. I picked one up a couple of months ago and am totally happy with it. Great milage and tons of room for gear etc. They are just so versatile. And cool besides. I'm putting some S Tech's on this weekend, and when the snows going to fly next fall I'll put the stockers back on. All these people that are tiring of them and selling them, I just don't get it ? If your idea of being on the cutting edge of customizing and being noticed is by having the latest car out there, but now they are every where, then just maybe you don't have the talent to cut it............your missing the boat. Just a little ranting on my part.......
In fact, the xB has the potential to be an excellent RallyCross car
which will be able to outperform an SUV in almost every capacity.
It fits the DC RallyCross Championship Class Description of
S2 (2WD Stock) or M2 (2WD Modified).
Remember, the xB only weighs 2400 lbs and has
a high power to weight ratio and a very rigid body structure.
It's sophisticated vehicle stability systems (with the right tires)
gives it gobs of traction and allows it to take corners
on loose surfaces that would make an SUV cringe.
As for 108 hp... nothing a supercharger or
cold air (ram air) induction system can't increase.
which will be able to outperform an SUV in almost every capacity.
It fits the DC RallyCross Championship Class Description of
S2 (2WD Stock) or M2 (2WD Modified).
Remember, the xB only weighs 2400 lbs and has
a high power to weight ratio and a very rigid body structure.
It's sophisticated vehicle stability systems (with the right tires)
gives it gobs of traction and allows it to take corners
on loose surfaces that would make an SUV cringe.
As for 108 hp... nothing a supercharger or
cold air (ram air) induction system can't increase.
And a CAI is going to give you less than 10 HP. More like 4 in most cases...
Originally Posted by mfbenson
. . . I hope you're kidding. If all that was true, someone out there would have already made a Toyota Echo into a "category killer" rallycar...
And a CAI is going to give you less than 10 HP. More like 4 in most cases...
And a CAI is going to give you less than 10 HP. More like 4 in most cases...
*sigh*
Oh well, at least we can still dream!
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