Notices
Scion xB 2nd-Gen Drivetrain & Power Engine and transmission discussions...

rough idle

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 1, 2009 | 04:09 PM
  #1  
rcdemon1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 38
From: granada hills ca
Default rough idle

anyone having a problem with rough idle. started at 10,000 miles toyota says there is nothing wrong because the computer is not coming up with anything . even though they can see the motor shaking.
Old Feb 1, 2009 | 05:39 PM
  #2  
mnscionxb's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 468
Default

mine will but only for a sec or so every now and then might just be be cheep gas.
Old Jun 21, 2009 | 11:42 PM
  #3  
formare's Avatar
Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 41
Default Re: rough idle

Originally Posted by rcdemon1
anyone having a problem with rough idle. started at 10,000 miles toyota says there is nothing wrong because the computer is not coming up with anything . even though they can see the motor shaking.
Mine just started idling rough - around 20K taking it in tomorrow.
Old Jun 23, 2009 | 01:38 AM
  #4  
coryjames's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 7,024
From: Arvada, CO
Default

is it when the ac is on this is common i have a solid motor mount well closse to so it gets a little rough at idle when the ac was on
Old Jun 24, 2009 | 01:15 AM
  #5  
rcdemon1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 38
From: granada hills ca
Default

no i used injector cleaner,that stopped it.the motor mount is another story.i have the same vibration that you are talking about.the motor mount took a while to brake in.it used to cause viberation all the time. now its only a little in first gear and when the a/c is on........frank
Old Jun 24, 2009 | 01:47 AM
  #6  
XD40tC's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,845
From: El Paso, TX
Default

I like it rough...
Old Jun 28, 2009 | 03:27 AM
  #7  
Tenfeathers's Avatar
Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 51
From: Texas
Default Rough idle fix

This may not fix all rough idle's but it sure fixed 3 cars here in town.
Get you a can of Seafoam fuel additive and only this brand pour the whole can in at a 1/4 tank drive it about 30 miles then fill it up and it will be smooth as can be.
just our exper.
There seems to be a build up of gunk and carbon in the fuel system and this stuff rocks.
Old Jun 28, 2009 | 05:45 AM
  #8  
ScionFred's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 3,387
From: Baltimore, MD, USA
Default

Cleaning the MAF every 20K miles couldn't hurt.
Old Jul 2, 2009 | 07:55 PM
  #9  
JoeSpeed's Avatar
Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 94
From: South Carolina
Default

I used 89 octane gas and I no longer have that problem. I used to buy the cheap gas and then put some Oct Booster, or a Gas additive to keep it smooth. But I found that if I buy better gas it's just that same... However, I still put in gas additives once in a while to keep the injectors clean.
I hope this helps!
Old Jul 2, 2009 | 08:19 PM
  #10  
mnscionxb's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 468
Default

I just change spark plugs at 47000 thay looked beat up switched to ngk
Old Oct 15, 2009 | 03:43 AM
  #11  
pyroman131's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,059
Default

Apparently this is a very, very common problem with Scions. I've brought my box to the dealership at least 3 times. The a/c runs extremely rough as hell, and even when idling without, it runs rough.

I'm clueless as to what to do. I think the next time I fill up, I might go up to 89 octane. I use Shell 87 and I heard that adding Plus or Premium has no effect on this car.
Old Oct 15, 2009 | 04:09 AM
  #12  
draxcaliber's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,141
From: Maryland
Default

my engine would occasionally idle rough with the supercharger and weapon-r header, but it was usually followed closely by a code for not having a cat, and as soon as i cleared it with my scangauge, the car went back to normal. really weird since that isn't a code that would effect that. always happened, only once each spring.

have you tried resetting the ECU so it trys to relearn everything to idle better?
Old Oct 15, 2009 | 05:49 AM
  #13  
jnaval's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,433
From: San Diego, CA
Default

I always check my engine and it doesn't seem to idle rough as it is described in this thread.
Old Oct 15, 2009 | 10:27 AM
  #14  
AAG's Avatar
AAG
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
DeepSouth Scions
SL Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 2,194
From: Dallas, TX
Default

Run a bottle of Redline fuel injector cleaner. Its suppose to work extremely well and the effects last longer than other injector cleaners.
Old Oct 15, 2009 | 11:55 AM
  #15  
RC-PILOT's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 286
From: Little Rock, AR
Default

# 1 cause is dirty injectors. SEAFOAM, REDLINE, BG PRODUCTS..... these all work.

PLEASE stay away from fuel additives other than these. The reason these other additives like OCTANE BOOSTER and others will actually add to the problem over time. They can also cause problems with your O2 sensors. These additives were designed to help older cars deal with newer fuel blends.

If you have no codes and a rough idle.....clean the injectors. Trust me on this one.
Old Oct 15, 2009 | 12:32 PM
  #16  
pyroman131's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,059
Default

How do I go about resetting the ECU? I'm going to try that route first. If that doesn't work, fuel injector cleaner. I'll be going with Redline, as per suggestion. After, I'm going to try the 89 gas.

What happens if I put 89 or 93 gas into my car? I use Shell 87 (Regular) because I heard there's no benefit with higher gas grades. Plus there is a rumor (hopefully you guys will dismiss this) that stronger fuels are actually detrimental to our cars over time??
Old Oct 15, 2009 | 03:02 PM
  #17  
TheCCBox's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
Team ScionEyed
SL Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 523
From: Mobile AL
Default

I put high grade in to do the cleaning for me and it makes it run great. I do it like it once a month cause of the price. But other then that it runs great! I also use seafoam every once and a while always helps clean to LOL!!!
Old Oct 15, 2009 | 03:11 PM
  #18  
pyroman131's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,059
Default

So what is everyone's recommendations? A stronger fuel or should I learn towards some additives to help clean the fuel injectors?

What about the MAF sensor or O2 sensors or whatever? Sorry, I'm pretty intermediate when it comes to cars, but nothing way too over my head.
Old Oct 15, 2009 | 03:32 PM
  #19  
jnaval's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,433
From: San Diego, CA
Default

IMHO, I think you're good with just cleaning the injectors and other sensors, try that first before getting yourself into a tub of chemicals. If that works, then that was the problem and that's all you needed. The other steps will be unnecessary. But if the problem persists, then that's when you take the other steps.
Old Oct 15, 2009 | 07:16 PM
  #20  
TrevorS's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,778
From: DE
Default

Originally Posted by pyroman131
How do I go about resetting the ECU? I'm going to try that route first. If that doesn't work, fuel injector cleaner. I'll be going with Redline, as per suggestion. After, I'm going to try the 89 gas.

What happens if I put 89 or 93 gas into my car? I use Shell 87 (Regular) because I heard there's no benefit with higher gas grades. Plus there is a rumor (hopefully you guys will dismiss this) that stronger fuels are actually detrimental to our cars over time??
Whenever the engine is running, the ECU continues to monitor the sensors and adjust operating parameters. So, unless something was just changed, resetting the ECU should have no useful affect. Seafoam or equivalent in the tank sounds like a much more likely solution (ie. dirty injectors).



All times are GMT. The time now is 10:53 AM.