XenoMorph2049

So I finally got the money to order the wheels that I wanted, low and behold, there discontinued. AWSOME!.....And now for something completely different.....
Looking once again at wheels, I found some that I like, with a small problem. There bigger than I'd perfer, or, might even not fit at all.
The wheels are a 18x9 with a 35mm offset and would be matched with a set of 235/40 tires.
To make matters MORE complicated, Im wanting to set her down on a set of Sportline springs.
Now Ive seen peole running bigger, but I'd prefer not to roll my fenders.
Anybody (preferably CIONIDE ) have any insight as to the probablity of these working?
Thanks in advance, Xeno

XenoMorph2049

Correction, the wheels are 18x9 with a 40mm offset, but theres a second set Im looking at with the 35mm, so Ill leave it.

xseveredveganx

If you want to run those wheels with those tires AND the Sportline drop, you'll have to roll the rear.
You could possibly run a narrower tire, i.e. 225/40R18, and maybe not have to roll your fenders. I know 235/35R19 with DF210s and 19x9.5 +35, fenders were better off being rolled. Without the roll and a lot of weight, the lip got bent a little.

Jay Blaze

I am actually in similar shoes- Looking at a set of 18x8 +35 and 18x9 +30 and I am currently on sportlines.... was thinking about doing a 215/40 in front and 225/40 in the rear...also wonder if I would need to roll/pull...

XenoMorph2049

Not to shoot you down, but I thought about putting 225/40 rubber on the 18x9 wheels I am looking at. Apparently, according to Discount Tires Direct, it would be WAY too much stretch, dangerous even, and they would not install them as such. That being said, Ive seen some CRAZY stretch on this board, and am in no way a tire expert.

Now as to the wheels I'm looking at, working with a wheel calculator, 235/40 tires on the 18x9 40mm offset wheels would fit exactly like a 225/40 over a 18x8 35mm offset, only a bit more wheel tucked toward the suspension where theres a bit more room available without mocification.
Given that I've seen people running the 224/40 on 35mm offset, I'm assuming the x9 40mm would work perfect. If anyone can confirm this, that would be awsome.

Thanks in advance, Xeno

Dam262a

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225/40 isnt bad but since your getting into more of a streched looked in wheels u can't go to regular tire places, ex discount tires, firestone, like that I suggest finding your tires online and calling around to see who could install your tires. :thumbup:

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vancouverray

19x8.5 +38 offset . Running 225/35 it's a mild stretch on my XB .

Jay Blaze

hmm interesting- yea the site I went to had listed tires and the approved max width of the rim and for a 215/40 it said 8" and 225/40 it said 9" but i guess it all depends on the tire brand and how wide/slim they run... I was looking at the Falken 912's...I am def interested to see how it turns out for you since we are on the same suspension setup...


Oh also I heard on our setup as long as we dont go less than a 30+ offset and wider than a 245 tire we should be ok with doing no fender work- but sure someone else can confirm this or put truth to it

XenoMorph2049

OK, so the 18x9 35mm are out, but according to my measurements, the 18x9 40mm w/ 235/40 should clear, due to the heavy offset. Can anyone confirm?

Jay Blaze

Think you misunderstood what I meant we can do 30 and 35 on our cars and depending on offset and tire sizes we may be just fine but less being 25 and under will def require fender work... and yes a 40mm will be fine with no fender work...my last set were 40mm on a 225/40 and I actually wanted to throw a spacer because the rear was sunken in a bit....

XenoMorph2049

Awsome, think I'll be pulling the trigger on these today. Tire I'm pairing on them are the Nitto Motivo. Seen some really good reviews on them. Add in there 60k treadlife warranty and the DTD certificates, they should be covered for the next 5 or so years. Somehow I've squeezed over 50k out of the RS-A's she came with.

Jay Blaze

nice!! cant wait to see the outcome!

xseveredveganx

I really don't think they'll fit without any serious work. Then again, what do I know?
Tell Discount to shove it and go elsewhere.

XenoMorph2049

See, I dont know either, which is why I asked.
Using this calculator ( http://www.rimsntires.com/specs.jsp ), clearence is identicle to a 225/40 35mm tire compared to stock, with a bit more meat towards the suspension. Is there a error in my thiking? I could swear Ive seen people run higher offset than 35 with the 225/40/18's, and could swear the fenders dont look touched.

And why tell them to shove it? Prices seem excellent, as has there service so far.

Looking at the setup you listed, I'm .5 inches narrow on the wheel, 5mm more towards the suspension than the fender offset wise, and the Sportlines are more stiff than the DF's if Im not mistaken.

Not trying to be a smarta**, or prove I'm right, just trying to understand. $$$$ for wheels you cant use is $$$$ wasted.

xseveredveganx

Most people, like myself, have rolled their fenders. I'm running 19x9.5 +10mm and 225/35R19 tires. I've rolled and pulled my fenders a bit to accomodate such fitment.
Without any roll and running springs, you could possibly get away with what you want. However, you may run into issues on large dips and/or lots of passengers.

Rowdy1

I was running 18x8 +40 225/40/18 on the front and 18x9.5 +40 255/35/18 on the rear. I got a slight fender rub on the passenger rear with 4 people and gear loaded in the back. But it looked oh so good! Dropped on the DF210's

Rowdy1

Could have ran the 225/40/18 on the rear and not rubbed at all. Next time!

XenoMorph2049

OK, little update.

Got the springs in and dropped her down. Sportlines. All the little dipps were still there, just "smaller" with a tad more "kick". Not bad, ecspecially when considering the reduced body rol. Drove it for a day( alignment shop was full), then had the alignment done. I informed the shop I would like the wheels checked on the car for fitment, as the could not be returned once mounted. Shop pulled the car onto the lift, then rolled the wheel up to the front and rear fenders. He told me it was a no go, as there would be massive rubbing. Now he was going on the diameter of the new wheel, unmounted, up against the old wheel, mounted and worn. Now in my head, the difference between the height of the new wheels and tires would be halved, given the symetry of a wheel. My question wasnt about height, but width vs. suspension play. That being said, Im positive he was being very conservative in a CYA kind of way. Completely understandable.

NOW. The bad part. When I had my alignment done, specs were as follows:

Front DR side: 0.1 camber before, -.2 after spec -.9 to .6 good
6.7 caster, before and after spec. 5.0 to 6.5, out .2
.28 toe before, .08 after spec. .00 to .16 good
13.0 SAI before, 13.3 after spec 11.4 to 12.9 out .4

Front Pass : -.4 camber before, -.3 after spec -.9 to .6 good
6.3 caster before, 6.3 after spec 5.0 to 6.5 good
-.25 toe before, .09 after spec .00 to .16 good

So caster is out a bit on one wheel, but overall, within spec, SAI is out on both wheels, but overall in spec. Now the rears:

Rear DR side: 1.7 camber, before and after spec -1.9 to -.9 good
.29 toe before, .28 after spec -.04 to .2 out .08

Rear pass : -1.5 camber before and after spec -1.9 to -.9 good
.33 toe before, .34 after spec -.04 to 0.2 out .14

So, a total of .62 out total on rear toe, before and after, total thrust angle was .02 before and .03 after, no given specs.

Given a total "allowable" toe of .4 (max positive excursion) and an actuall toe of .62 in the rear, thinking this is gonna be bad new for the tires anyway.
THAT being said, when I did the alignment (not thinking about it) Should I have had the new wheels on first? Old ones are definately old and worn. When driving, I had a slight pull to the right that required a constant hold on the wheel as before, she coasted straight.

Wheels are being put on tomorrow, as I have removed the springs. Would the .62 toe be as bad as Im thinkning it will be? These tires are rated at 60k miles, and I got almost 50k out of the originals. Dont really want to have to reaplace them constantly. I would much rather the e wheels than the drop, but if theres a way to even slightly reduce the rear fender gap without adversley affecting the toe/tirewear, I'm interested (no shims please ). Possibly the TRD/Eibach Pro's?

Ben180

Truth..