Toyota’s just dropped what we should expect to see from them at next month’s 2008 Paris Motor Show. We’re told the super number one best awesome automaker from the land of the rising sun plans to reveal the new third-generation of the Toyota Avensis (the car’s platform is the same as that of the Scion tC).

http://scionnews.net/2008/09/02/toyo...is-motor-show/

 

what its not a 2dr what a jip

 

x2

 

the old avensis IS a 4 DR

 

MOAR DETAELS!

 

wonder if this means the rumored 2.5L will come into play soon

 

hurray!!! i guess this means that it will be related to the new tc! the next tc better have all wheel drive and a manual transmission!

 

Just like the tC we have now! Yay!

 

Idk....I know some interesting rumors about the next gen...

 

all i want is to know something about the next gen tC, i thought i heard somewhere that scion re-releases the basic 3 models every 4 years, if so then wheres the new tC. i would love to stay in the scion/toyota family but if it takes to long for the new tc, (if they even remake it) or if they fumble the ball like they have before (RS4 tC....waste of money IMO) then i think i might have to move on to a better company. the ball is in scions court right now, IMO honstly i believe that the tC is one of the sleekest, best looking cars for the price, i think the look stands up to cars like the RSX type-s and others like it. if they made it with a small turbo or even stock supercharged, 6speed with 180whp or more and keep it around 18k they would have one of the best selling tuner cars.
i just have a feeling that IF they do remake it and re introduce it that its going to be the same drivetrain and everything else.

dont get me wrong i love my RS1 tC, 100% happy with it but am just starting to relize how many other cars have small turbos and what most cars are making at the wheels, i just would love to see scion step up there game

 

Keep dreamin. They couldn't make an RSX S competitor car for under 24k. Forced induction and 6-speeds = $.
The reason Scions have been able to be so cheap thus far is Toyota used existing chasssis and high-volume powertrains, and wrapped them is cool sheetmetal.
With the Nikkei in Japan being worse off than Wall Street, they can't afford to lose money even on a fairly niche segment.
It WOULD be dope as hell if they did do a limited run of higher performance TC's that would do battle with the new Hyundai Genesis coupe, as that will have no real competition when it arrives. Still not a direct competitor because of not having RWD... but would keep alot of tuners in the Toyota family.

 

The rumors I have heard are by July 2009 they will be taking deposits for the "New" scion which Im guessing is a new body style Tc

 

the new tC is supposed to be revealed at New York I thought...

 

the new CUBE comes out in LA so the NEW scion might come out @ LA also so I have heard

 

when they get rid of the avalon, they should bring this statestide... i saw the current ones in Australia and couldn't stop drooling

 

See the problem is that entry level "tuner" cars are becoming more rare. I'm talking about true performance cars that in stock trim are contenders at the track.

The Celica, MR-S/MR2, Integra/RSX, S-chassis Nissans (240SX), NSX, Supra, even the Camaro/Firebird (even though the Camaro is supposedly coming back) are gone for a few reasons. One being that people fix them up and stret race, which brought the companies that made the cars scrutinity for giving kids cars with powerful engines at a lower price. Whch brought a whole safety issure up.Thats why the tC came out, thats was Toytota's answer to this problem. Make a fast looking car, with a decent motor, and could be "tuned" with rims, exhaust and a few other parts that are mostly geared towards form and not function. Imagine if a tC had a 1ZZ or a 2ZZ with a 6 speed? Acura walked away from making sports cars, they now make luxury cars, Nissan now only makes higher end sports cars. It's getting harder and harder to find a true sports car for under 25K nowadays, and its only going to get worse.

The other reason for this is that gas prices are forcing auto makers to make fuel efficent cars and not any more sports cars. Anyway you look at it, entry level cars are getting less powerful and more fuel efficent. For these reasons you're not going to get any faster tC's unless everyone is willing to pay through ur ___ for one.

You're not going to have something cheap and fast like the Integra Type R, Celica GT/GTS, MR-S. The only cheap sporty car left IMHO is a four door Sedan called the Civic SI, remember when they used to be small coupes/hatchbacks? It's going to be a matter of time till the kill off the SI.

The new tuner car's are sedans and/or more pricey. Such as the Avenisis, TSX/Accord Euro-R, Altezza/IS, 350Z, S2000, GT-R, Corvette, etc... because they're bigger, and safer, and people who can afford it have money to pay for gas and not _____ about it, and if they do, they ought to be in a more efficent car. Hopefully we'll get some true tuner cars back, but until then we can only hope while we're stuck with our our efficent, and severely underpowered cars that are geared towards asthetics and not performance.

 

^^^ all valid points. But lest you forgot about how the tuner scene blew up in the late 80's thanks to just what you're trying to make a point about...inexpensive fuel efficient cars. so what was the 88Honda Civic Si or CRX? chopped liver? the tuner scene would never be what it had become if it weren't for cars like that. I've said it before, but I feel Hyundai has done a smart thing by creating the genesis platform. sportiness and luxury that anyone can afford. I mean, what else is there? The Avensis is a real nice car that was available in sedan and wagon platforms. I had the priviledge to sit in an Avensis. you know what? the new Corolla reminded me of that car. the dash layout is similar. Let's face it, the tC is a two door Camry. now it will be only available in Japan as the upcoming Celica replacement. let's see what better engines Toyota Japan throws into this car...high compression small four banger is my guess

 

which car ? this one http://www.toyota.com.au/avensis/gallery

that is the model in australia
or this one http://www.toyota.com.au/aurion/gallery/images

the aurion is the australian car evalved from the US 1st gen Avalon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurion
the sedan avensis wasw / is NOT sold in Australia

 

well, another huge problem is that cars are getting heavier every single year with more ammenities and more mandated safety features. thus cars are being built heavier now then they were 10 years ago, thus they need bigger stronger thirstier engines to move all that weight around. the old civic crx didn't have a super sophisticated engine that made it fast, it had a tiny engine, but weighted NOTHING! thus it was really quick. the old 240sx is weights the same as the scion xa, but it had a turbocharged engine, so it was fast. the other thing is that the larger portion of people who buy cars want them to be more insulated and not rattle, or have too much engine/wheel or wind noise and a comfy ride, so cars get refined (more like tamed) into being lamer each generation (latest subaru impreza wrx for example). so the point is that car makers can't take an entry level chasis, stick a decent engine in it, and make it from paper mache so it weights nothing like they did before, everything has to have so much strength, and air bags, and TPMS and now the roofs have to be able to support 1.5 times a vehicles weight. trust me, if automakers could make lightweight sports cars like they used to, and they sold, they don't care how many teenagers end up mangled on guard rails and street lights, so long as they bought the car and the insurance pays off the financing.

look at the mitsubishi dangan and daihatsu kei cars. they were cars that mandated by the government had to weight only so much, and engine could only be 650 cc's big, and could not go faster then 87 mph, but the law didn't say anything about how fast they could accelerate.

so mitsubishi made the dangan, a 650 cc engine with three cylinders...and five valves per cylinder...and a turbocharger...so it would only go 87 mph, but it could get there faster then many more expensive true sports cars.
also, does honda/nissan/toyota make money off of people buying older used models like supra's, nsx's and silvia platform cars? not unless the new owners buy new parts from the respective auto maker.

the big problem right now is that people aren't buying sports cars, they are recovering from the SUV overload that lead to a fuel crisis and now making nothing but fuel efficient cars, or slow cars. the upswing is that it looks like factory turbocharged cars are going to make a return because of their potential fuel saving benefits (read the latest issue of car and driver). but the other problem with fuel saving cars is that they tend to be front wheel drive because they are more compact, weight less, and less power is lost between the engine and the wheels.

 

turbo car makea comeback for fuel saving benefits? maybe, but Japan dumped most of the big turbo cars for emissions reasons. hence the demise of the Silvia as we knew it. The market is here, the paycheck is not

kitted Avensis wagon. better looking kit than any of the junk released for the tC.