I've got a question on camber. I know nothing about this.
Anyway, I went to get my tires rotated, and apparently they're wearing on the inside of the tire. By the way, I have 18" wheels, a 215/35/18 tires, and I'm on S-Techs.
They guy said I either have to NOT be lowered to fix this or get a camber kit. Even if I'm lowered on STOCKIES he said it'll wear on the inside of the tire unless I'm either stock height or have a camber kit.
Something doesn't quite sound right to me. Any suggestions?? Is this true?? Thanks for the help.

 

on the fronts?

 

Lowering the B is the nature of the negative camber by proxy. If you drop the box, it will give you negative camber that a camber plate could fix. This is true for most cars. Suggestions: roll with it. There isn't much difference to be honest. When you have had the wheels on and rotated for a few, flip the tires on the wheels for the other side so the weaksauce tread is on the outside and the good tread is on the inside. You will get just about the same amount of miles on the tires if there was no camber present to begin with.

 

Will these camber plates prevent the wearing on the inside from happening?

BTW, it's not just the fronts - it's all the way around.

 

get camber plates in back, and some camber BOLTS for the front, easy fix.

but it would be helpfull to know how out of spec you are on each corner..

 

True. That I don't know. My wife was the one who took the car in. The guy at America's Tire suggested this as a fix. He didn't say anything about the specs.

**Okay, after doing some plate research, is it possible to fix all of this with BOLTS all the way around?? Camber plates aren't cheap, and I'm currently unemployed.

 

The only thing you can do for the rear is live with it. Lowering the car will not throw the rear camber off enough to cause problems. You can get camber bolts in the front, but that will also only adjust it a hair.

What's probably wearing the tire weird is toe-in.

 

camber kit or put it back to stock

 

Front camber bolts will give you +/- 1.75 degrees of adjustment that's enough to correct negative camber for anyone dropped 2 inches or less. Ingalls makes a good set and you can find them on e-Bay as well

 

What is "toe-in"?

 

Also, is it possible to put camber bolts in the back? Or are the camber plates my only option? All 4 of my tires are wearing out on the inside, so something is causing it.

 

Camber plates only come in negative camber, which will wear the inside of the tire even faster. The only thing you can do to correct camber in the back is to add a couple washers to the top bolts behind the brake drum to create a make-shift positive camber plate, but I'm not a huge fan of that fix.

Honestly, I'm surprised you're having such trouble. The xB is remarkably drop friendly (at least with spring drops, more extreme drops on coilovers or bags can be tricky). I never hear about really bad camber issues, and the rear, since it's a torsion bar, doesn't really have that much play to begin with.

Camber bolts will correct the issue up front (provided that it's only +/- 1.5 degrees or so. The washer trick is the only thing you can do to correct the rear. Manufactured camber plates will not... I GUESS you could install them upside down, but again, they only come in -3 and -5 to my knowledge, and I'm sure it's only off by a little bit.

Can you take one of the wheels off and snap a pic so we can see how badly it's actually wearing? I'd be inclined to think that the shop was exaggerating the wear since you said your wife brought it in....

 

Oh and this is toe in:
Normal = ||
Toe-in = / \
Make sense?

 

So what your saying... if your box has a camel toe, the tread on your *cough* tires will wear down much faster?

Seriously though, check the toe and make sure it's not out of whack, otherwise you will run into severe tread life problems.

 

Yea, more or less.

 

You can correct the rear toe and camber on FWD vehicles via a kit installed by an alignment shop between the hub and torsion bar. They look like this and can be purchased at most alignment shops.
site: http://www.spcperformance.com/PROD_D...ROD_SEARCH.cfm

 

Hmm, I didn't know about those.

 

Okay, it all makes sense now. Thanks guys.
My wife already got new tires put on, so it's a no-go with the pics. I'm just going to purchase a pair of INGALLS camber bolts for the front. I should be good from there.
In general, I never knew that lowering a vehicle affects the camber! I've been dropped for atleast a year now.

 

yeah anytime you lower a vehicle it will put you in the negative camber range, and anytime you raise a vehicle it will put you in the positive camber range.

i am dropped about 5+ inches on coilovers and dont really have major camber issues. ive been dropped for over 2 years and still havent gotten an alignment. i need to though.

 

Okay, another question. When purchasing the Ingalls camber bolts, I can use ONE bolt per wheel correct? Under the SCION PARTS section of this site it said each pair is PER WHEEL so buy 2 kits. I thought I had read somewhere that If you needed a 3 - 5 camber, you need to use 2 bolts per wheel. 1 bolt will do up to 1.75 camber.