Im dabbeling around in making some front and rear tower bars, ive made a few before for other cars, most likley im not going to use it too much on my scion because i have my other car for performance needs, but im going to use my scion as a fabrication platform for some parts.

I may not have the best quality, fancy powdercoating and such, i make my parts for more go than show, so i wanted to know how many people use thier Xb's in any kind of auto-x or any use thats suspension heavy?

it was a bit more of a market for my daewoo because i had monopoly on aftermarket parts for the most parts, i didnt have competetory, but that didnt mean i was going to rip people off, i try to make the best quality low-price parts and offer them as a just that.

im going to start mocking one up soon, and start with the rear struts because its the easiest, what designs do you like the most? do you prefer one style better then the other? square tubing or round?, multi tube or single?

i want to try to get as much feedback about what the demand is out there, so i can make the most desired product.

im aiming for budget conciecous racers, and possibly a sub $75 doller price range, i believe the cheapest bar ive seen so far is about 90ish area. would that sound like a good price?

well its all up to the feedback now, im going to hook-up my gtech pro competition and try to take a few lateral G measurements as a baseline, then see what prototype creates the best improvement.

looking foward to providing something to the community!!!

 

I went outside to do a few mock up measurements and templates and such and was shocked that the point to point measurement from strut to strut was exactly the same as my daewoo . so i nabbed one of the prototypes from my daewoo and stuck it on and it fit perfectly. that should save me a bit of time.

i only got 2 pics until my digi-cam batteries died (rechargables that have been recharged too many times) so heres 1


dont mind the sub,amp,battery combo, i was messing around trying to see if i could hookup a sub and amp without running any wires in the scion at all, it worked, but thats another story, lol

 

It would have to be chrome and I'd need to be able to put
those plastic caps back on. I couldn't leave it open like
that.

 

It seems to me that your bar is tying in the two damper pins together, and not the strut towers. Since there are bushings in there, this will force the pins to move in sync in the lateral axis, and given the right situation will shear the pin right off. I've seen it happen on front bars designed that way, sheared the pin off a Koni Yellow, which includes the damping adjustment control. Pretty inconvenient...

On the other hand if someone could get their act together and produce one of these for Scions and Echos, they would have a lot more success. The bar is removeable, quite useful for those of us that haul stuff around.

Images borrowed from Turn2 USA's website, very respected VW tuner

 

that doesnt look too hard, ill see what i can come up with, the other bar wasnt the one for the scion, it was a bar i used on another car so it wasnt exact, but i like the feedback, keep it coming.
my only problem with the turn2 bar would be drilling the hows through both the plastic and the fenderwall, for me personaly i like to keep the stoc parts looking stock, so if/when i sell the car in the future you cant tell it was changed at all.

i like that ball joint there, ive allways liked them but never used them before in my designs, this design might work out nice, and i really like the quick release pin, really convienent when picking up stuff and making room for it.

if anyone else has any ideas or pics of designs they like i could *cough*copy*cough* that design and sell it at a lower cost.

 

would you ever have your seats out? i saw a mini cooper rsb and it mounted to those clips that the seats click into when you move the seat back. thats something to think about

http://www.outmotoring.com/How_to_pilo_rear_stress.htm

 

intresting

 

The problem with that one is our shock towers are much lower than that. You want to stiffen up the chassis right by the top of the damper.

Something that would work, without having to cut the side panel, would be a design that would look similar to the front bars that we use, but with the rod ends and quick release pins. That way only the top caps would have to be left off.

 

If you made a bar that was pictured in the top it would do nothing as Pascal stated. Youd need to drill the strut towers in the rear, add studs and then attach a bar.

 

thats the best way to do it .

 

What I like to do on custom setups is to bolt the mounts through the shock towers, and use a backing plate from the outside to sandwich the body. Removing the rear damper is pretty easy on our cars, so that would be simple.

Most people get these things for show anyways, and with the wonders of Placebo effect they "feel" great improvements from strut bars. I'm just pointing out that tying in the damper pins is NOT the right way to go about it.