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Old Jun 14, 2005 | 02:46 PM
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not a shot at anybody that has camber, i just really dont know what it does.
Old Jun 14, 2005 | 03:12 PM
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Old Jun 14, 2005 | 03:42 PM
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uneven tire wear...hahaha...
Old Jun 14, 2005 | 04:02 PM
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For better handling, steering response and a better tire contact patch during spirited driving. And to fit a wider wheels when the car is lowered. The downside, increased wear on the inside tread of the tires.
Old Jun 14, 2005 | 04:21 PM
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camber does not wear your tires as much as improper toe

toe will chew your tires in no time

camber will only wear the inside edge IF YOU NEVER DRIVE HARD otherwise, assuming your suspension is set up correctly, they will wear evenly

I had a set of 17's last 25,000 miles with 3.5degrees of negative camber
driven daily

JUST CORNER HARD!
Old Jun 14, 2005 | 04:22 PM
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your wheels slant in at the top as the suspension cycles through it's stroke. This is meant to keep the wheels firmly planted under hard cornering. when you lower your car, the suspension then sits at the part of the stroke where the tires have already begun to camber. This can be corrected by effectvely lengthening the upper controll arm or shortening the lower controll arm. This is what camber kits do. This then resets the camber curve to a more optimal place in the new shortened suspension stroke. Increased handling can be had wiht increased camber but usually all it yeilds for the average joe (read: everyone on this forum) is increased tire wear.
I know i am planning to buy a camber kit for my tc as soon as one becomes available. Tires are too expensive to be chewing up.
Old Jun 15, 2005 | 03:08 AM
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nitto neo gen tires work with bad camber
Old Jun 15, 2005 | 03:23 AM
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mostly wheel fitment and or style. with a small amount of camber you get better handling.
Old Jun 15, 2005 | 04:06 AM
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You guys want to see camber look at the front wheels of my custom chevy when it is laid out, I use aftermaket lower control arm, that why it is so bad but if I ride with the right psi it will go back to stock alignment, I never want to hear about bad camber agian, just kidding, and toe will kill your tires faster than anything out there, after i droped my truck with a 4/6 I went 1000 mile and i had to get new tires, camber=pretty toe=bad, p.s. my xb is on page 2

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/785986
Old Jun 15, 2005 | 10:39 AM
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You guys do know this interesting bit? -that camber puts a veering-force into a wheel? That if you camber, you want to adjust toe-in to neutralize that force as best as possible, because otherwise, steady-state camber will scrub the tire.

That, too, because the tires today (modern age, not T-era) are wide and flat, some scrubbing is inevitable if we camber (in particular!), and cannot be neutralized by compensatory toe-in.

Or should I say "toe-out". Yes, toe out is wanted in examples of permanent negative camber.

It is on the theory of rolling wheels, that I make fun of here, of what some few of you know, through practical experience; of what you know must be done to make the best of a tire-friction, power robbing fashion-slavery.

Negative camber looks cool. I like it! But it makes abs. no sense for tire life, except for -yeah-! I see just how, on hard cornering, a neg. cambered tire will for sure help put the car into a beneficial -oversteer- situation that is compensatory to the natural understeer we get in a front-drive, heavy front-end vehicle

Watch that oversteer though?

I'm glad that Scions have VSC!

grins and think on this, and straighten me out if I curved you -experienced camberers- too much here.

Old Jun 15, 2005 | 12:35 PM
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all i know is a customer/friend of mine with an 05 Evo MR let me do his alignment

that car could slide(oversteer) real freakin easy before

1.75degrees of camber in the rear later

it sticks like an 17-yr old to a free keg of beer
or
it sticks like me and my camera to the same 17yr old after the beer
or
it sticks like your Tbag to your leg on a hot day

i have alot more analogies if anyone wants them
Old Jun 15, 2005 | 01:05 PM
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Camber allows the tires to stick to the road more in a turn (easy answer), more in depth info, but still suited towards laymen, can be found at http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/theory/align.html
Old Jun 15, 2005 | 04:24 PM
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what a great link. thanks a million!
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