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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 03:38 AM
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The mechanic at the dealership I work for installed TRD shocks and springs, plus DC strut tower brace and Progress RSB. The drop looks, ride, and handles sweet, as FUN as a tC, but not as same. Anyways here's the result of my alignment:

Front Left: before -2.1, actual -1.7, specified range -1.3 to +0.2. We tried best to get a positive camber, but he concluded that I needed a camber bolt which would be included in a camber kit if there was one out there.

Front Right: before -0.2 actual -0.2 so nothing was done because it was within specs.

Rear Left: before -1.7 actual -1.7 specified range -1.4 to -0.5 (leans little bit too much to right)
Rear Right: before -0.2 actual -0.2 specified range -1.4 to -0.5 (lean little bit to the right as well)

Can you imagine my right both tires leaning to the RIGHT.

Anyone know a camber kit i can purchase online or somehow fix this problem. I probably need a shim kit for the rear cuz it's a sold rear beam suspension.
Old Jun 30, 2005 | 04:43 AM
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I guess no one here has had any major/minor alignment problems, but here's my contribution to you guys. Progress Technology who I love their RSB has a camber kit for xB that lists $60, corrents -1.75 to 1.75, now hows that something from a company that actually custom builds for us not placing them in cookie cutters.
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the toyota tech guy did a search and came up with a part number for a adjusting bolt a.k.a. crash bolt which cost under two bucks: #90105-14147
Old Jun 30, 2005 | 02:32 PM
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When you lower the xB, the entire rear suspension shifts to the right(or is it the left). Its sort of a design flaw that you can harass toyota about. Not alot you can do about it. Some guys with air ride even had to put a spacer on one side to get things to even out in the rear. There rear end of your xB will never be properly aligned as long as its lowered, unless....you get some specially designed hub shims.

Even with that said, the xB is still way better than a Tc.
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See this thread, maybe it will help:
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=66268
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Originally Posted by sarcasmkillsme
When you lower the xB, the entire rear suspension shifts to the right(or is it the left). Its sort of a design flaw that you can harass toyota about. Not alot you can do about it. Some guys with air ride even had to put a spacer on one side to get things to even out in the rear. There rear end of your xB will never be properly aligned as long as its lowered, unless....you get some specially designed hub shims.

Even with that said, the xB is still way better than a Tc.
Tc be gone
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Originally Posted by sarcasmkillsme
When you lower the xB, the entire rear suspension shifts to the right(or is it the left). Its sort of a design flaw that you can harass toyota about. Not alot you can do about it. Some guys with air ride even had to put a spacer on one side to get things to even out in the rear. There rear end of your xB will never be properly aligned as long as its lowered, unless....you get some specially designed hub shims...
How does this affect the performace of the car? Tire wear, suspension probs., etc?

Mike
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Originally Posted by eggie
See this thread, maybe it will help:
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=66268
Thanks
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Originally Posted by sciondude410
Originally Posted by sarcasmkillsme
When you lower the xB, the entire rear suspension shifts to the right(or is it the left). Its sort of a design flaw that you can harass toyota about. Not alot you can do about it. Some guys with air ride even had to put a spacer on one side to get things to even out in the rear. There rear end of your xB will never be properly aligned as long as its lowered, unless....you get some specially designed hub shims...
How does this affect the performace of the car? Tire wear, suspension probs., etc?

Mike
Peformance? You must talking about the tc right? Anyways, your tires will wear out unevenly, so you need to frequently rotate to prevent this abnormal wear. I talked to one of tech support guys at TRD and they said this is the first time they heard something like this. They said I should just return it and get a replacement because crash bolt (camber adjustment bolt) and shim kit for the rear is not requirement when they R&D the thing. So please everyone with this problem please _____ at them, they do have an 800 number at trdusa.com.

Plus, I found out through my parts dept manager that TRD doesn't make any of it products, they just deal with the engineering side. So I know why Tokico is branded on the strut body. Overall I love the TRD setup it has less BIZZOUNCE and more CONTROL up down and side to side.
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the front shouldnt change at all except for toe. camber is impossible. something is broken. did you run something over ?
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Ok after driving it on a twisty road last night I got it back on the Hunter 400 alignment rack after work today and here's the result without any adjustments.
Front Left: -0.8 (Specified Range: -1.3 to 0.2)
Front Right: -1.2 " "

Rear Left: -0.7 (Specified Range: -1.4 to -0.5)
Rear Right: -1.2 " "
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Anyone notice any alignment issues from simply putting on bigger wheels? I have noticed that when I put on my 18's I get a lot of vibration on the highway and have noticed a little bit of torque steer. (imagine that on an Xb)

Just wondering.

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NM, I just got off the phone with my dealer. They noticed that the wheels were not balanced properly from wheelmax.com and that is what was causing the vibration on the car.

Mike
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Torque steer on the highway?
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Explain this. How do you get different camber readings when lowering a car with a solid rear axle? The only way to change the camber is to add camber shims in the back. My xB has air ride and the wheels and camber are the same. So this accusation makes absolutly no sense. The front I can understand because the wheels are independent form one another. Lowering the front will change the toe and camber. That can be readjusted back to stock. I would leave a little negative camber in the front anyway. Maybe a half degree negative. This post doesn't seem to make sense unless it's about a tC. I only say this cuz I noticed this on Neil Tjin's tC. The back wheels seemed off center. Like the rear wheels were not centered in the wheel well.
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Keep in mind that I'm speaking here of TINY changes, but changing the static height on this general type of rear suspension (a beam located by forward extensions to the 'frame') *can* change the camber slightly. What happens is a slight amount of the toe in/out is converted to camber as the angle of the trailing link changes from its 'usual' angle from horizontal.

Again, this is a TINY amount unless the toe is extreme and the static height change is extreme...
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even with the front with a 3inch drop or less the camber is basically unnoticeable. so something in the suspension must be bent or broken.
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The xB looks like it has a rear solid beam suspension, but it actually has an active rear beam suspension which means it's ALIVE But really that's what my techie found out researching on my vechicle through their manual.
Old Jul 2, 2005 | 03:16 PM
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Mine has 5000miles on the steelie's I lowered it at 1000 miles with Tein S springs , Mine rides like the day I bought it , even better , Tire wear is normal and it does not pull either way , If the camber was changed it was very little and unoticeble , so far no Alignment , But WhenI fork out for new wheels and tires I will have it checked
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my front easystreet strutbags threw my fontend way out. I'm talkin +1.5 camber(or more) and lots and lots of toe out. That's at any range of drop mind you.



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