Airbags seem to be the hottest thing right now but a lot of JDM/VIP top cars are installing Hydraulic setups in Japan with setups like the lowriders. I know a little about hydros and airbags, but not on the xB. Any constructive suggestions welcome...

 

i dont think your right about lowrired hydro's....allot of vip cars in japan run coilover or airbags their is a new system thatroberuta came out the is kinda like hydrolics that go on the top of coilovers. you can actually get a system from bold world with coilovers and the roberuta system, or if you have coilovers you can just buy the roberuta system

boldworld parfume system
http://www.boldworld.co.jp/index1.html

roberuta cup kit

http://www.roberuta.com/roberutacup/index.html

for the xb/bb on both systems you can only get it for the fronts.
or you can just get a complete air ride system from companys like :boldworld, airrunner, and airdyne http://www.airdyne-jp.com/goods/goods01_01.html http://www.airrunner.co.jp/[/img]

 

Thats one of the best insightful posts on this topic Ive seen, thanks for your input man!

 

boldworld also makes airride systems too

 

i like that first kit it sounds like it would be a little more reliable than just airride cause you would have coilovers still if your air failed,

 

Yes, thats a great safety option. But whats cool is you get the adjustability on the lowest point. Yeah airbags have the adjustability but you cant adjust the lowest drop. For example I am 13X8" rims, so even though I want air I might still hit the ground with a low body kit. I think its unique too.

 

ya i love it how much does something that run?

 

well the cup kit for the front (if you already have coilovers) is approx $1500-2000 and the bold worlds system is around 5000 and thats for coilovers all around and the roberuta cup's only up front.

 

its much more reliable than bags too because theres no bag to break. it will last alot longer too.

 

ouch 5000 that really hurts the wallet, pretty cool though

 

Isnt it true that in japan there are coilover + Hydros/Air combos as well as actuator technology?

Japan does have a good point, they save the coilover and compromise the amount of lift/drop. That's cool and different from any setup Ive seen on all xBs/bBs so far. Im not rich but I hope this thread doesnt get cluttered with posts hating these kits because they cost a lot. I appreciate the technology, I havent seen it here in the US, maybe there are cheaper US kits that could be produced. Im liking this thread a lot.

 

i wasnt hating the kit i admire the kit and wish the us made something like it, I think its a great idea actually

 

You werent hating the kit, you were hating the price, but peeps shouldnt hate it because of the price. Your alright man... I remember a while back someone use to be hating on airbags because they were much more expensive than their generic coilover kits. Peace.

 

well you have to pay to play...i have coilovers on my previa and i will get the roberuta cup kit for the front.

 

you can bag your car with a kit thats fairly priced and works just fine with a good ride quality. Not sure what ya looking for...

 

the roberuta kit is for the person that wants the performance and comfort (when you riding low) of coilovers.

 

Anyone can bag a vehicle, but some peeps are looking for some performance too. But I understand that some folks just want to see the car down slammed and just make it driveable. Others want the car to still perform and sacrifice for less range of going up and down. Some also say that the coilover combo kits are safer. Ive also seen some safe and effective hydraulics setups that ride well too. Im considering a coilover hydraulic combo with accumulators too, but there are some tradeoffs. It depends on what ppl want, and if they want more like retaining performance and feeling more safe then sometimes its going to cost more. Ive also seen some hydro-air combo kits.

 

well with this coilover combo you would be able to slam it and still drive it so it seems to be the best possiabl idea so far in adjustable sus.

 

umm on a scion? that'd be just retarded. 13's dont fit on xb's unless theyre like -30 offset and ugly **** gold dayton types.

 

Just wanted to clarify a few things. I took a look at the websites posted above, and while I wasn't familiar with these companies systems before now, I am familiar with pneumatic suspension systems.

First, let me say that every one of those systems appeared to be a very nice, well thought out and executed system. And I am not going to say a word about price or anything else. If you are planning to import an "air system" all the way from Japan without the support of a domestic distributor, price obviously isn't a concern.

But I must say this. The systems being described in this thread are not truly suspensions at all. (This is not referring to all of the systems offered by all of the manufacturers. Just the "cup" systems to be used in conjunction with coil-overs.) A suspension, in terms of automotive chassis must consist of two things springs (coil, leaf, air, etc.) and dampers (shock absorbers). The cup systems do not contain a damper, and barely contain any sort of spring mechanism.

Now this isn't to say they are a poor design. They are a great design. Essentially a suspension system isn't required for these air systems. The entire suspension of the vehicle is accomplished by the coil-overs. The "cups" are simply there to provide lift. A very innovative design, and one I would hope to see domestic manufacturers following suite on.

This isn't to say this hasn't been done domestically before. People have done systems like this for several years on a custom level. Everything from combinations of air springs and steel springs, to air springs and hydraulics.

One thing any potential buyer should understand is that purchasing a "cup" type system is not going to provide any additional ride comfort. There will be a very slight amount of give in the cups, but not enough to be noticeable. At least not in this layman's opinion. The advantage though, is that the ride quality your coil-overs provide will be consistent throughout the cups travel.

If there is something I didn't address, that you have a question about, let me know. If you don't agree with my assessment, let me know.