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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 10:05 AM
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well, i have these low drop springs for my xb. tried them on and worked nicely. one problem is that the stock shocks bottom out. the drops is about 3.50 in front and 3.50 in rear. i seen performence shocks on line but are they made for this low of a drops. trying to stay away from air ride system because of baby on board.
Old Jul 11, 2006 | 04:09 PM
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Are you kidding me?! You are worried about air suspension because of a baby and you are putting on a pair of (what I can only assume to be) hack job drop springs?!

There is not one reputable company that makes a 3.5" drop spring for the xB. The most you will see is just over 2". If you want to get that low sack up and bag it or get a set of coilovers.

Now just so you can't come back in here whining and complaining about getting attacked... the part number for the rear shock you want is Monroe Sens-a-trac part no. 5870.

Good luck. And I hope for your baby's sake you ditch those springs.
Old Jul 11, 2006 | 06:36 PM
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I agree with RTon20s, it sounds like you got some chopped springs there. Whats the brand of springs you got? Anyways i wouldnt reccomend that type of drop on springs. I dont know if even replacing your shocks that it will make a difference. Coilovers would be the best choice for price, but bags would be the best choice is price is not a factor.
Old Jul 13, 2006 | 10:41 AM
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Yea these are chopped but they been treated. Suprisingly they're not that bad on the ride factor. Just problems with bottoming out. And the baby part, i got to fit a stroller and stuff you know. not just a whole air system in the back. That's the problem though. I don't know why no one has come out with a kit yet? So i got to do with what there is right now. There is no clearance issue, and no coil over system goes that low. Lowest is about 2.8 in front and 2.5 rear. The only other way i can go is a deeper body kit. And i do know the fact how lame and old cut springs are, but at least my is done right.
Old Jul 13, 2006 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by wanachat15
and no coil over system goes that low. Lowest is about 2.8 in front and 2.5 rear. The only other way i can go is a deeper body kit.
you sure about that?

im on Cuscos and i am at about 3.5 or more all around....
for what you are looking for, some nice coilovers will do the job.
just make sure you get the ones that go low past 3"...
Old Jul 14, 2006 | 04:41 PM
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And what the heck does "treated" mean? LOL... if someone sold you hacked coils, I can guarantee they were never "treated." Unless you are referring to being treated like a red-headed step child.

And in reference to the bags, there are several people on this site who are running bags with no loss of storage space. All you have to do is mount your equipment under the car. You want to go low, and do it right for your baby's sake? Be a man and spend some money. Get your self a quality set of coil-overs or a bag set up. Quit driving around on a hacked set of coils.
Old Jul 15, 2006 | 11:56 AM
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I am amazed a set of springs that are cut 3.5 inches even stay in the back. If you hit a bump those springs could go flying out.
Old Jul 16, 2006 | 03:33 AM
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Default oh sorry for the misunderstanding.

I DIDN'T BUY THESE FROM ANYONE, i cut tmem myself and had my friend who works at a steel mill treated them for me because car springs are usually tempered-steel and can't just be heateed up with a torch. after that i came home and used one of those grip liquid compound and let it dry to prevent rust.
Old Jul 16, 2006 | 04:16 AM
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you're bottoming out, because the stock spring rate isn't made to work with 3.5" of the damn spring removed!

Please, stop being an idiot and grab some real lowering springs or coilovers, which are designed to go low.
Old Jul 16, 2006 | 06:02 AM
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I can't believe you are endangering your babys life riding around on some hack job springs. Is Your babys life not worth the cost of the right kind of springs???? I can't believe you admitted to doing this. That is just plain wrong.
Old Jul 16, 2006 | 09:32 AM
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im one of the several people driving daily on air and all of my equipment is under the car.... not hard to do. go with air, coilovers or tanbe df210's and upgrage your shocks.
Old Jul 17, 2006 | 10:12 AM
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people people. instead of doggin me on my cut springs. how bout recommending me good sets of coil overs that can go this low or lower? and yes i went through two types of drop springs already.[/b]
Old Jul 17, 2006 | 01:33 PM
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thats what they are trying to do... but when you are complaining about the ride... because you chopped the springs that you called{ low dropped springs} there not low there CUT... there is a difference...... in the first post..... but back on topic.... listen there is nothing wrong with air if you want to go that low... i have a 2 1/2 year old little girl... my air ride is just fine.... all of it fits underneath the car just fine and clean as well

but you cant expect a solid answer when you what i like to call HACKED the springs up.... coilovers are nice there are a variety of nice ones out there but what you are gonna pay for a real nice set of C.O. you can bag 3/4 of the car already for as low as you want to go....

and also a little info for yah TREATED is not a TERM used FOR HACKED STOCK SPRINGS...... when you cut them you took the physical stability away whether you re-heated them or not they still are gonna suck........

Good luck with your quest but.. dont get angry me and all these other guys have been doing this along time and we know what we are talking about........

hope this helps in anyway
Old Jul 17, 2006 | 07:02 PM
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Dude take a picture, i'd love to see this!

I dont think the rear springs will even stay inside the perches with that much of a drop... that is nuts! Are you sure?

What you are feeling is not just a blown suspension, but you are riding on your bump stops. You probably have just 0.25" of suspension travel before slamming on the stops.

Crazy man...I thought the boys in 808 did things a bit cleaner than that. That's what you would call "boro"

I'm calling social services!
Old Jul 17, 2006 | 08:03 PM
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wanachat15, you got a PM.....
Old Jul 17, 2006 | 09:43 PM
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Just so you can get somewhat of an understanding...

I am going to use numbers I just pulled out of thin air, but it should give you an idea of what you cutting did.

Lets assume that the stock front coil that has a spring rate of 148 lbs./in. is 15.75" tall and has a total of 9 coils. That means each coil is carrying a load of approximately 16.44 lbs. You stated that you cut the coils to get a 3.5" drop. So for this exercise you would have to cut 2 coils. Cutting 2 coils achieves a 3.5" drop. However now you have a total of 7 coils and a total spring rate of 115 lbs./in.

Combine that low of a spring rate, with that much of a drop and you have a recipe for disaster. First the coil has lost its' ability to resist the forces exerted upon it. Second you have 3.5" less suspension travel for the suspension. And if you haven't removed your bump stops you are probably sitting on them.

The affect in the rear will be even more drastic. You have fewer coils, a shorter spring, and a higher spring rate. That means that you lose even more load carrying capacity per coil cut.

Now I am not one to come in here and preach that you should never cut a coil. There are instances where honestly, if done properly, I have no problem with it. Your case, isn't one of them.

Take a look at a set of Progress Coil Overs if you can't afford air. If you can't afford that, get back on a set of static drop coils. You will just have to accept the fact that, for now, you just can't be THAT low.
Old Jul 18, 2006 | 11:14 PM
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Default suuuuuuuuuuuuureeeeeeeeee

SURE I'LL TAKE A PIKACHURE AND SHOW YOU DOODES AND DOODET (if any). BUT YEA I WORRY ABOUT MORE THE FRONT DEN THE BAQ. THE REAR HASN'T POP YET BUT THE FRONT I'M ALWAYS CONSTANTLY CHECKING. ESPECIALLY HERE IN OAHU, HAWAII. WE GET THE MEANEST POT HOLES. ASK ANYONE FROM HERE. THIS POST WILL BE OFF SOON BECAUSE I JUST BOUT A SET OF KNOIG IMAGINES AND WILL NEED BETTER SUSPENSION. MEANING I'LL BE DIGGING DEEPER INTO MA POCKET, SELLING MY SOUNDS AND DVD PLAVER FOR A MUCH MUCH MORE COMFTY RIDE.
Old Jul 18, 2006 | 11:16 PM
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why do you have to be so stereotypical?
Old Jul 18, 2006 | 11:39 PM
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here's a look inside my head when i was cutting my springs. trying not to assume and make an donkey of myself, but i can believe many of you have wondered" what the heck was he smoking" (i don't smoke) when i cut my springs, my head wasn't empty. i'm very maticulous and don't like to do half a#$ jobs and must have top of the line product. meaning if it's for temporary and will help me decide, than it'san exception. since i cruise with a crew called RUMUMHARD. for people that know them, majority is honda and acura. so i was asking them about what kind of rims would look good on my car and wht type. either cali style or jdm style. one of them suggested that how bout dropping it the height that i want and see what rims might look good. so i thought it was a good idea. than the next day i chopped them up, one coil. still too high, two coils. perfect. my tires are tucked. than i gaved it to my friend who said he can treat them. i didn't care if he could or not because these were just gonna go in the trash after i buy my rims. after getting them back i took off my tein s-tech and left them on the side, put my chopped ones on. went to different stores and matched rims and even borrowed some of of my other friends integras and scions. after four days of searching. i came to the conclusion that i would go with jdm style, 15 inch rim with full tires. yesterday i just place and order on konig15s. now while waiting for the rims to come in. i will do research on coil overs over air ride/vice-versa. my intensions was not to whine on here, but looking for suggestions[/b]
Old Jul 19, 2006 | 12:05 AM
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Default hur da pic


kinna dirty, didn't clean it for like two weeks now. looks stock, but not uder the hood. and has dc header, connected to2.5 inch straight piping conected to my tanabe concept g exhaust



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