whats the deal with the blitz S/C

and why is most ppl giving it bad reviews

whats wrong with it

besides costing around $3k for it...

it costs 3g and doesn't add that much horsepower. its the lack of poser that youget for 3g

But what you do get is reliability (supposedly). $3K to boost an n/a car safely isn't really that bad.

where's a link to this product?

you can read more about it here.
http://www.scionlife.com/parts/review_list.php?item_id=10081&cat_id=4&sub_cat_id=32

what I heard is that is about between 20 and 30 hp.

its better then nothing, i rather go with the blitz S/C since it does have the elctro clutch for the S/C anyways

i want it more then a turbo anyday cause i find the coolness factor is lot better anyways

whats the deal with the blitz S/C

and why is most ppl giving it bad reviews

whats wrong with it

besides costing around $3k for it...


Where did you see these 'bad' reviews? The 3 reviews that are actually in the 'Parts' section are pretty much glowing.

on the boards and else where on here but not the reviews no

On a mildly related note, whoever is in charge needs to remove the reviews for the TRD charger for the tC. Seeing as how it's not out yet, they obviously can't rate it. Not only that, but anyone who rates a product low and simply states "turbos have more coolness factor" should be drug into the street and shot until they either come to their senses or die *shrug*

Well that's a unique way to put it.

But pretty much as others have said, it's low power output for what you spend and isn't upgradeable unless you get a custom pulley made and Blitz won't do that. you're basically stuck with all the NA expensive mods once you've gone with the supercharger.

It's more for show cars because Blitz is high points when it comes to name brand forced induction setups but superchargers still don't get as many points as a name brand Turbo setup. Even if you go with a basic custom turbo kit, that's not up there in points with a brand name turbo kit like Greddy or HKS.

they way i see it if you say this s/c come with only low end power how low are you talking about at what rpm range band

i like the sounds of low end power alot the best i've seen or should i say i was impressed by was a 58 chrysler 392 with a GMC 6-71 roots blower that was cranking out 1200 hp at 2300 rpms :shock: now thats f**kin sweet ___ 8)

well most s/c's start boost around 1500. so pretty low depends on how the system is set up and the motor.

well most s/c's start boost around 1500. so pretty low depends on how the system is set up and the motor.

remember that superchargers are parasitic...
they take power to make power..
so, while they can start making boost low in the RPM's, it takes a little more to nagate the losses.
by 2500-3000RPM you notice the diff....

huh, pls go more into detail

more detail on what???

on what you just said

didn't quite under stand this part "it takes a little more to nagate the losses. by 2500-3000RPM you notice the diff"

on what you just said

didn't quite under stand this part "it takes a little more to nagate the losses. by 2500-3000RPM you notice the diff"

It takes power to make power... usually the gain isn't that much @ lower RPM, since the boost isn't as high (with centrifugals).

ooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh i seeee now sorry takes me a little while to figure things out thats still lot better then the higher rpm range band



i don't really like centrifugals s/c anyways the coolness factor just isn't there in my book

the way i see it should be popping out/poking thru the hood or wtih hillborn injectors

but the sleeper look is the way to go most of the time

yeah i suppose that a roots type is "cooler" a centrifugal sure does yield more power. (normally)

the way i see it should be popping out/poking thru the hood or wtih hillborn injectors


wouldn't that look silly sittin' sideways????

keep the pully and the S/C under the hood and have the big bug catcher poking thru the hood

that is a good idear isn't it

I like the idea of centrifugals better than roots superchargers. I think to put a bunch of low end power in these cars would be against what I'm looking for power wise. I don't mind putting around from street light to street light. I don't need my car to haul ___ off the line. I'd rather have it be able to haul ___ when i'm doing 65 and need to pass a semi.

Plus......I think......mentally........mid to high end power is more satisfying than a bunch of low end power that drops off in the highs. Look at it this way........you are at a dead stop, you stomp on the gas........you have a smile plastered across your face because your car is accellerating so well...................but then, the power and accelleration start to fall flat and the fun is over. Or.......you stomp on the gas...........there's not as much accelleration at first...........but soon........you're pushed back in your chair and the thing starts accelerating all the way past as fast as you'd want to go in one of these cars. I like that idea much better.

For me......the verdict is still out on what I think would be better for these cars............a turbo set up, or a centrifugal sc. I know turbos have more potential for top speed............but you also have to remember that our cars (xBs anyway) don't have incredible potential for top speed unless you are doing some radical aero modifications. I also have no need to go REALLY fast. If my car could do 125-130 I'd be perfectly satisfied and probably never even go that fast. I just want power where and when I need it...........and as far as I'm concerned, that's in the mid to upper RPM range. My car feels like a dog on the freeway.......a dead one. I like the idea of all the potential you have with a turbo......especially along the lines of having standalone ECUs with programmable maps. But on the other hand.....I have to wonder if that's anything I'd ever bother with at this point in my life (probably not.....don't have the time). I do love the sound of a blow off valve. But.....a super charger seems to require so much less (less piping, no custom manifolds/headers necessary). Plus, right now I need reliability (I know, I know, turbos are reliable too if done right....yadda yadda).....and if TRD comes out with something, it would be great to have a warranty (course the dealers gotta install it). So.......I still don't know.........turbo or sc...............tough choice. Whatever the case........it won't be a roots blower.

KiL

[quote"i want it more then a turbo anyday cause i find the coolness factor is lot better anyways[/quote]

Damn you are tripping I know a million people who would rather take a Turbo over a S/C Turbo's sound tight go pashoo and have better hp output than an S/C.

Well maybe I'm alone on this one but I chose the Turbo on my ride and I love it.

Forget Super Charging and go Turbo! :twisted:

yea the blitz is stable which cant be said about many turbo kits for the xB right now. not nearly as many problems. it may have low horsepower numbers but you wont have to have as many difficulties most likely. turbo will be better once some good companies get a system out there that can perform. until then, its probably going to be blitz for a decent, but not huge, horsepower bump

then get me a tubro from a B-17 or a P-38 :twisted: and i'll shut up

oh yeah might as well throw in the engine from the P-38 also :twisted:

[quote"i want it more then a turbo anyday cause i find the coolness factor is lot better anyways

Damn you are tripping I know a million people who would rather take a Turbo over a S/C Turbo's sound tight go pashoo and have better hp output than an S/C.

Well maybe I'm alone on this one but I chose the Turbo on my ride and I love it.

Forget Super Charging and go Turbo! :twisted:[/quote]

thats why he wants the SC, everybody is doing the turbo...
turbo,
turbo,
turbo,
turbo,
turbo,
turbo,
turbo,
whoa a supercharger,
turbo,
turbo,.....

you see different = coolness

and if i deside to change my gear ratios for the roots style s/c

some sort of gear ratio too keep the rpms low if i can keep the max hp at around 4000 rpm and have the max torque at around 3k rpm and at 3k i would love to be running around 65-70 mph in 5th gear

now that would be sweet

i'm drooling over my dream mods :twisted:

um at 3k yer allready at 60 so i unno it'd be a _____ to change ratios for not very much

how bout 63 mph at 2300 rpm in 5th gear

how bout 63 mph at 2300 rpm in 5th gear

i just ordered my new gears...

i think thoses numbers are very unrealistic...
you won't have any performance with that gear set...(you would need about 250-300 hp to be worth running those gears....)

how about 2800rpm in 5th @ 63mph
where stock would be 3250 rpm in 5th @ 63mph

(numbers are just mathmatical formulas and don't include rolling resistances)

well i was dreaming about my old v-8 i had 255 hp and 360 ft lbs of torque all on a holly 2210 350 cfm 2 bbl carb

a 2bbl thats why it only had 255horse. no v8 is worth it unless u get a 4bb on there and are making as much hp as you have ci.

good lord ppl

buying a 4bbl just aint worth it for that car and a 4bbl manifold i didn't have that kind of money all that money went into repairs like the rad.(4 times) the transmission (twice) had the heads milled so that bumped the compression ratio up had harden exhust seats installed, so i can run both unleaded and leaded gas the alt. was got rebuilt replaced the heater control valve (vacumm controled) i converted to eletric ign. seting points got pointless :lol: (it was a single point dist.) and new water pump and power steering pump and a few freaze plugs and fuel pump and all the rubber fuel lines with the rubber fuel injected fuel lines and yes true duel exhust from a signle exhust set up well worth it too

and if i went with a 4bbl set up i wouldn't be able to get my a/c compressor and a/c brackets to work on it any ways thats the only thing that didn't work in my car i replaced all the fuses the light bullbs and replaced the clock 3 times finding NOS clocks is very hard that work, lucky me i got lucky all of 'em worked then a few months later they broke :roll: i was able to take my dash apart and put it back together in about 45 minutes that included dropping the steering wheel too

yes i kept all my engine mods to the min...

and for 1500 i even could of had a 6-pak set up with 3 2300 350 cfm carbs yes that would of been much cooler then a 4 bbl

but keeping it stock was expenive enough as it was and it was numbers matching car too with low miles when bought it had 30k miles on it when sold it had 56k miles that not bad either

for being a stock '71 360

and this is what she looked like when i had her

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hornet_on_flower/album?.dir=30d0&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos

and she had plenty of power left in her too i didn't need any more then that i was very happy with what i had and as you can tell i never lived out of my car

six packs rule.....

440- six pack- shaker hood- pistol grip- 'cuda.....my best ride yet...

what year i like the 70 dodge challenger not with the shaker hood but with the oh hell whats that hood called with the two i think there fake hood scoops on the side of the hood like the one they had in vanishing point

its a 73, orange with the hockey stick graphics

ewwww 73 wtih all the emissions crap on it lol

has to be from 71 on back

i like the i think its a 64 barracuda with the 273 4bbl thats a great looking car

u mean the hood like from a 68 hemi? with the fake side buldges? yeah sweet . i love mopar but parts are more expensive and harder to get. i'd even love a 318 challenger. or hell a dart swinger. very unappreciated lil light car. or for ya'll chevy guys (including mysefl. i like everything but ford , honda , and mercedes benz) a nice like nova 2. breadbox racer. like a 66-69. hell even a big ___ 70 or 71. ahh nothin like big american grunt lol. i still love imports tho. damn i can never decide. i still think my next car will be an ae86 gts.

mopars are lot rarer to see then all the fords and chevys that why parts are hard to find...

thats why i sold my car parts were getting hard to find and thats why i bought a brand new car to stop all that

but now all the parts are some what easier to find but still expensive :lol: can't win 'em all

back on topic now

now the S/C do you need lower compression ratio for so i don't have to worry about any engine damage i was thinking some where around 9 point whatever

it's common to lower compression when boosting....
but i would not worry aout it if you only are going down 1 point or less...(on 5-7 psi)

so leaving the CR stock i would/should be fine

even on all 3 settings on the blitz kit (low med, and hi)

i know you have to re-map the fuel curve and the get new injectors and the timing too i think

so leaving the CR stock i would/should be fine

even on all 3 settings on the blitz kit (low med, and hi)

i know you have to re-map the fuel curve and the get new injectors and the timing too i think

if i remeber right....
the low, med, high is really like 50, 75, 100% of throttle.(the numbers might be off)
it will turn on the compressor when you have pressed the throttle down 50% or 75% or 100%

i don't think you can remap a toyota ECU (piggyback yes, remap no. it not a honda...)
you can't touch the timing because of the VVTi (it self adjusts up to 60 degrees)

the injectors you could do, but should do a fuel pump/fuel regulator first

i'm still new too all this modern tech. since i'm comming from a pre-emissions car

and if i do headers and axle back

in theory that would still get me mid range power right? lose low in power from the headers and gain a little from the S/C

oh geeees all confusing lol

don't stress out dude....
the header will get you more mid range.
the rest of the exhaust will make little diff. till you get more power/air flow..
i would start right after the header and work back. what good is a header and axle back if there is a cocktail straw between them???

the loss of bottom end power is something you will need to live with. the S/C is a parasitic device...
it robs power from the motor in order to work. it only overcomes the parasitic losses (creates enough boost) in the mid to high ends...

i'm not stressin over it, i'm just asking questions i don't know the answers to...

and i think you for helping me with all my questions too

just send me the bill lol

you lose power to gain power make, since too me

no prob,

think of the S/C as an air conditioner...when you turn on the a/c you fell the motor strain right?
well the S/C is the same way....it does not produce the full boost the entire time, it builds up over the RPM range.

so in the low rpms it takes more power to turn the S/c than it puts out.
at some point it breaks even. after that is where you feel the boost....

the blitz's electric clutch kills alot of power versus a standard pulley or the pulley/setup on the power enterprises s/c