Celebrate people! :D

as a black american i am very proud of obama and the challanges he had to face, the american voters chose the right man for the job.

Our Senator has FINALLY become President... :bow:
CHANGE is here, let the good times roll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

indeed. now just to get the current administration out asap!

yayuh :)

KNUCKLE BUMPS FOR EVERYONE! hahaha.

Big historic day today, best wishes for Obama.

indeed. now just to get the current administration out asap!

:P

LOL:
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/464518

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/tmoney509/nytimes.jpg

i dont care who you wanted, who you hated. to see that the racial barrier has turned, is powerful beyond belief.

to see people collapse is celebration is powerful.

to see the world celebrating along with the majority of the united states as well, is powerful.

good for him and our country :clap:

It appears a new era has begun...

^^^Yes it has... :clap:

ill remember this day.

GO OBAMA! today is a very historic day.. and I am proud as a african american man to say I contributed..

helllllllll yea

OBAMA WINS :clap:

lol

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3270/3003946529_5ddeefd50d_o.jpg

change.....

ahhhhhhhh......thank god!!!....and the rest of the american voters....to be honest i never thought this day would come in my lifetime....I'm Greek born and raised in Greece and still have people outside this country that are in shock......refreshing shock!!!!!!! :):)

lol

i dont know what it is about msnbc's webpage... but they have truly created a powerful image.

Being a black man i am very proud to see history today, but what sent chills up my spine was when they announced he won and they went thru the crowd and you see whites, hispanics, blacks, asians, all colors crying and yelling that he won, thats a good thing. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

Being a black man i am very proud to see history today, but what sent chills up my spine was when they announced he won and they went thru the crowd and you see whites, hispanics, blacks, asians, all colors crying and yelling that he wont, thats a good thing. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

What got me about McCain's acceptance speech was that he said something about it being historical and how blacks (maybe he used the more PC term) are proud. People of EVERY race are proud you f00ker!

I need a transcript to find it. It really ____ed me off.

but overall, you have to admit his speech he made tonight, was impressive. and gained just a bit more respect from me because of it. he hushed his own supports, saying "come on"

Also, it showed a lot about fans. President Obama, was booed in Arizona. And McCain was cheered in Chicago, and cheered through every thing Obama said about the man.

:clap: :clap:

good? bad? :eyebrow:

different. :clap:

WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also, it showed a lot about fans. President Obama, was booed in Arizona. And McCain was cheered in Chicago, and cheered through every thing Obama said about the man.

:clap: :clap:Very good point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but overall, you have to admit his speech he made tonight, was impressive. and gained just a bit more respect from me because of it. he hushed his own supports, saying "come on"

Also, it showed a lot about fans. President Obama, was booed in Arizona. And McCain was cheered in Chicago, and cheered through every thing Obama said about the man.

:clap: :clap:

True, but the comment still bothered me. His speech wasn't bitter sounding at all and I was expecting some bitter in it.

hope you all have money saved up...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50WO4CO2_1w

hope you all have money saved up...

With my father's death, I inherited crab fishing quotas. These quotas bring in an amazingly huge amount of money with each crab season. But, before we see the dividends, a good percentage is skimmed off the top and redistributed to Alaskan natives. That's not just regular tax either.

Just another fun fact of big bad socialism that is a regular event in Sarah's state. I wonder how much of a say she had over the crab revitalization act and all the special taxes on profit made from crab fishing. Not that we need any more hypocriticalness about the McCain campaign or anything.

OBAMA 2008!!!!!! historic day today

YES WE CAN!!!

Great day for America..........change was needed. :clap:

Black or not. a Person that is ready to change this country is now president of the USA! im black. (yay :-P)

unfortunately i didn't vote. im too busy looking for a job :-(. i didn't do any research. i did a little on Obama and mcCain but not enough on the locals.

an also unfortunate thing. the "race"card was thrown everywhere. and i noticed that a little bit too. im in NC Obama barely made it. i think by 25 thousand votes. (as of this minute 00:45 EST)

Together we did!

Go McCain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "DONT HATE"

today I learn that america has proven itself to be a diverse country by electing a minority president. =D

GOBAMA!!!! 2morrow, i'll honk my horn to demo. supporters and give the thumbsdown to rep. supporters. >=) lol. jk

If you voted for Obama purely for the color of his skin then you are an idiot.

I'm more upset that Prop 8 is going to pass (which it shouldn't) and Prop 4 is going to fail (which should pass). :tap:

well i am just glad to have BUSH out of office.

What sucks is i live in Memphis,TN which is deep south and we still have a lot of racist people around these parts. I am expecting riots and have already went out and bought ammo for all of my guns. I've now got 500 rounds each for all 4 guns ha ha

we have already had like 2 people stabbed and a few others shot just cause they had an obama shirt on.

If you voted for Obama purely for the color of his skin then you are an idiot.

this is what i was worried about too. like i said the "race" card was thrown around a lot and it disappointed me. but im glad that everyone united and voted in general. and that's a good thing.

i hope it doesn't go to anyone's head.

well i am just glad to have BUSH out of office.

What sucks is i live in Memphis,TN which is deep south and we still have a lot of racist people around these parts. I am expecting riots and have already went out and bought ammo for all of my guns. I've now got 500 rounds each for all 4 guns ha ha

we have already had like 2 people stabbed and a few others shot just cause they had an obama shirt on.

its bad here in NC also. :no:

If you voted for Obama purely for the color of his skin then you are an idiot.

this is what i was worried about too. like i said the "race" card was thrown around a lot and it disappointed me. but im glad that everyone united and voted in general. and that's a good thing.

i hope it doesn't go to anyone's head.


we saw a lot of that down here. I know whites like my brother that voted for mccain just cause he didn't want a black in office. and i've seen even more blacks vote for him just to get a black president in office.

I personally don't vote but I am just hoping he doesn't get assassinated.

He truly was born for this time. Hope!

unfortunately, I voted for policies, style, and a open, broader sense of the world and its issues.

McCain or Obama ????

for obama. It was directed to somone else on here ;)

Now that Obama won things are going to be crazy for a few days and hopefully he doesn't get killed just because a ebony person is running things which some people are going to hate..... How long do you people think this guy is going to last??????

well kiss your sweet country, guns, money, 401k, medicaide, coal mine industry goodbye ... hello tax increases,skyrocketing, socialism, energy cost ,but wish him luck he going to need it....he going to be tested by other radical countries.
but lets see if he going to live up to all the PROMISES he made.

If you voted for Obama purely for the color of his skin then you are an idiot.

I'm more upset that Prop 8 is going to pass (which it shouldn't) and Prop 4 is going to fail (which should pass). :tap:

Although I agree, I don't think it's much of a problem. Ignoramuses who voted for Obama purely on color, I'm SURE, were compensated for by votes from equally ignorant ignoramuses who voted against Obama purely on color.

2 years...we need to get rid of this joke in New Orleans also Sugar Ray Nagin this guy is a joke. Good Luck and Good Night America

well kiss your sweet country, guns, money, 401k, medicaide, coal mine industry goodbye ... hello tax increases,skyrocketing, socialism, energy cost ,but wish him luck he going to need it....he going to be tested by other radical countries.
but lets see if he going to live up to all the PROMISES he made.

welcome to democracy

Yo BUSH hurry up and....

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e1/hondamasta/436898914_dc45292ab0_o.gif


OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There's some New Blood coming in to Clean House!!!

Go Obamaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

well kiss your sweet country, guns, money, 401k, medicaide, coal mine industry goodbye ... hello tax increases,skyrocketing, socialism, energy cost ,but wish him luck he going to need it....he going to be tested by other radical countries.
but lets see if he going to live up to all the PROMISES he made.
Medicaide? Is that like Gatorade?

And skyrocketing sounds sweet! I'll be like The Rocketman! Except without the Nazi's...

I hope Obama delivers on ridding the country of electrolyte-riddled Medicaide and making me like The Rocketman, since I voted for him based on these key issues.

who would have thought this day would come! life is great!

He truly was planted for this

fixed

He truly was planted for this

I'm an idiot.Fixed.

He truly was planted for this

I'm an idiot.Fixed.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
exactly my thoughts!!

but overall, you have to admit his speech he made tonight, was impressive. and gained just a bit more respect from me because of it. he hushed his own supports, saying "come on"

Also, it showed a lot about fans. President Obama, was booed in Arizona. And McCain was cheered in Chicago, and cheered through every thing Obama said about the man.

:clap: :clap:

i also thought it was an excellent speech and think he wouldve made a decent president , but the way his fans have booed obama is disgusting... especially at his concedence speech. it almost makes me feel like they arent proud to be american anymore.

and if anyone in here isn't proud to be american, regardless of who is in office, i dare you to step foot off of american soil for just a moment and think the same.

1st time i got to vote at 18 1st time I picked the right pres.

make peace with the fact that a Black President is going to be running this country...(also one smiley) :)

WTF does his color have to do with anything? Besides if you want to split hairs, he is Black/White, mixed race. And there is nothing wrong with that!

^^^Exactly! He is mixed...REALIZE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He refused to wear a "Stars and Stripes" lapel pin. All of a sudden after the media jumped all over that, he started wearing one. He refuses to "Pledge Allegiance". He doesn't cover his heart durring the National Anthem. He only started saying, "God Bless America" after the media aired the statements made by his Pastor. I only see a person that is power hungry, not color of skin.

So wait, just because he:
- didn't wear a pin until people like you and the MSM jumped down his throat about it
- doesn't say the Pledge
- doesn't cover his heart during the Anthem
- started saying "god bless America" only after people like you and the MSM jumped down his throat about it

That means he's power hungry? Not only did you make a huge unfounded leap there between not wearing a pin and being "power hungry", but you realize all of that is laughably trite, right? OH NO, HE DOESN'T WEAR A PIN, RAISE THE TERROR LEVEL. I stand in respectful silence during the Pledge of Allegiance and the National Anthem, with my hands behind my back... are you going to call me power hungry (or even graduate up to "un-American"), too?

-

People are making a big deal out of the fact that he's a black man who just took the highest office in the country because:

- 50 years ago, someone like him wouldn't even be allowed to drink out of the same water fountain as a lot of you white-bread folks
- Every single person who has ever held this office has been an old, white guy (save for JFK) - now we have a comparatively young black guy in office.

Race should not be a factor in anyone's reason to vote for him by any stretch of the imagination, but the fact that he did get voted into office is actually quite a big deal.

can i get the red bar under my name changed to a blue bar? lol.

1st time i got to vote at 18 1st time I picked the right pres.

and your vote made a difference too :-)

Canada is looking good for the few that are REALLY upset.

i was thinking about Cananda myself earlier in the year. too much downfall from EVERYTHING was going on.

He refused to wear a "Stars and Stripes" lapel pin. All of a sudden after the media jumped all over that, he started wearing one. He refuses to "Pledge Allegiance". He doesn't cover his heart durring the National Anthem. He only started saying, "God Bless America" after the media aired the statements made by his Pastor. I only see a person that is power hungry, not color of skin.

So wait, just because he:
- didn't wear a pin until people like you and the MSM jumped down his throat about it
- doesn't say the Pledge
- doesn't cover his heart during the Anthem
- started saying "god bless America" only after people like you and the MSM jumped down his throat about it

That means he's power hungry? Not only did you make a huge unfounded leap there between not wearing a pin and being "power hungry", but you realize all of that is laughably trite, right? OH NO, HE DOESN'T WEAR A PIN, RAISE THE TERROR LEVEL. I stand in respectful silence during the Pledge of Allegiance and the National Anthem, with my hands behind my back... are you going to call me power hungry (or even graduate up to "un-American"), too?

-

People are making a big deal out of the fact that he's a black man who just took the highest office in the country because:

- 50 years ago, someone like him wouldn't even be allowed to drink out of the same water fountain as a lot of you white-bread folks
- Every single person who has ever held this office has been an old, white guy (save for JFK) - now we have a comparatively young black guy in office.

Race should not be a factor in anyone's reason to vote for him by any stretch of the imagination, but the fact that he did get voted into office is actually quite a big deal.

I bet if we took an honest vote, the majority here, dont have their hand over their heart. There are two options when listening to our national anthem, hand over the heart or hands down at your side/behind back. Unless of course we are in kindergarten, then our teachers slap your wrists. But thank god we have graduated from that level of education (oh wait, our media hasn't, since they thought that was a big deal).

When this man was born, blacks were not allowed to vote. He was 3 years old when they had their first chance to get an American right that we all cherish today (well the 40% that actually vote on a consistent basis).

It is pathetic to see the people that followed McCain toward candidacy, be children afterward. Everyone, even Obama supporters, should take a hint about McCain, and have class/respect. We have to realize that no matter who took office, we are better off than the past 8 years, when our vote didn't really matter, when the majority surprisingly didn't win the election. But last night, in a true sign of a united country, we were able to elect a minority to office with an unifying and massive yes. We are not divided no longer, we will have an above 50% approval rating for our president, the one that we elected.

So get the slander, get the hatred, get the bigotry out. There is no need to bring in KKK crap, talks about assassination, or ANY of it. Its not NEEDED!

Obama is so much more than a President-elect....

He's an Icon...a symbol! Think of the children that watched the election last night and said, "wow, maybe I could be president."

Obama is not perfect, I'm Black and don't agree with everything he says....but he and his family are a beacon of what this country needs right now to get back on track as a Super Power.

He was raised in a single-parent, middle class family...just like MANY of you...He will surround himself with the right people to balance out his inequalities and short comings about foreign policy, etc.

Stop with the talks of hate...we've come too far...He will be your President too and you should support his administration or contest it...you have that right!

Be proud today that you witnessed something so great...the WORLD celebrated with us.....today is the first step in a better direction for ALL Americans, not just minorities.

well said!

lol

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3270/3003946529_5ddeefd50d_o.jpg

That is one of the most beautiful photos I have ever seen in my near 50 years.

depending on how or who is singing that national anthem (i watch a lot of NASCAR) it usually will bring down a tear or two. especially when a child sings it.

taps? i can't handle it.

when i was a volunteer fireman from 99-04. i would march in our memorial day parade and every time i marched past a group of kids holding and waving American flags it means oh so much to be in this country.

i heard in a few countries they don't show as much patriotism as we do. count the American flags in your town. their is a lot isn't there :-)

He refused to wear a "Stars and Stripes" lapel pin. All of a sudden after the media jumped all over that, he started wearing one. He refuses to "Pledge Allegiance". He doesn't cover his heart during the National Anthem. He only started saying, "God Bless America" after the media aired the statements made by his Pastor. I only see a person that is power hungry, not color of skin. I hope when he takes the oath of office with his hand on the Bible, that it is truly heart felt.

I also hope my worries are un-warranted, and he does well for our nation.

this is exactly why i dont want him anywhere near the presidency.

i couldnt care less what race he was, but this right here is what bothers me the most.

Well, I have some good news for you both. That ONE incident, where he forgot to place his hand over his heart, is countered by dozens and dozens of photos and videos from BEFORE that day where he did.

As for the Bible reference, that's just ignorance talking. You both should be happy to know that Obama is christian. You can stop listening to the anti-Obama garbage that was being spewed all over the place.

As for power hungery? You can say that about everyone that runs for office. Or, if you really want to be part of the healing, you can watch Obama carefully as he puts together a bipartisan cabinet that will include Republicans and Democrats, then realize that this is no ordinary politician.

Here's a stat for us all to consider. The youth vote, supposedly an Obama cornerstone, was only up 1% over 2004. Yet Obama carried 5% more white voters than Kerry did 4 years ago.

That should be loud and clear.

Obama carried Virginia. That's an exclamation point like no other.

Canada is looking good for the few that are REALLY upset.

i was thinking about Cananda myself earlier in the year. too much downfall from EVERYTHING was going on.


Hey! don't send 'em up here. We've got enough non-tolerant people up here. We don't need more.

Congrats to Obama and the Dems. Happy to see it. Now here's hoping that people will take McCain's words at his concession speech to heart, and work together to make things better all around.

:)

but im one of the good guys. i drive a scion!

but im one of the good guys. i drive a scion!

Yeah, maybe... I just don't want anymore of the lipservice "fundamentalist" xtians up here. We've got enough problems with the ones we have.
:tap:

Honestly....at this point, i think theres alot riding on Obama right now. There are alot of ppl that are pretty much relying and putting all there trust on him to make a change. But i believe in him.....after all






:P

go obama!!!

Some of you people crack me up. I love how your scared of Obama cause he's not a christian (or so you believe). Well i dunno if he is or not and i dunno if Mccain isor not (that's something between that person and God). But Mccain is not saint either remember that one. As a christian myself i don't think that religion should have anything to do with politics. I voted for Mccain for several reasons. Mainly cause I don't like a few of Omaba's policies, mainly in the tax area. But Obama is our next president and He has my support for the next four years. If he does well then I'm happy. If he screws it up we all have the chance to get rid of him in four years. look at this douche bag we let run around for 8. Anyway you look at it, If you're a mccain or obama supporter, what we're getting is better than what we've got. So suck it up butter cup and if you don't like it vote in 2012.

I'm going to carry around a pic of Obama so when anyone tries to pull out the race card on me...

BAM! <shows pic of Obama> I don't think so! :rofl:

On a serious note though, I am truly happy for him and his family and proud to see history in the making. He has accomplished a lot and I am SOOO happy to have a president that speaks proper english and isn't a moron. I'm looking forward to seeing the changes ahead.

Since we all live in the very P.C. country we live in I would like to point out that we have the first interracial President-elect. Go America for "breaking through the racial barrier". I thought this race had nothing to do with race?

Some of you people crack me up. I love how your scared of Obama cause he's not a christian (or so you believe). Well i dunno if he is or not and i dunno if Mccain isor not (that's something between that person and God). But Mccain is not saint either remember that one. As a christian myself i don't think that religion should have anything to do with politics. I voted for Mccain for several reasons. Mainly cause I don't like a few of Omaba's policies, mainly in the tax area. But Obama is our next president and He has my support for the next four years. If he does well then I'm happy. If he screws it up we all have the chance to get rid of him in four years. look at this douche bag we let run around for 8. Anyway you look at it, If you're a mccain or obama supporter, what we're getting is better than what we've got. So suck it up butter cup and if you don't like it vote in 2012.

W.O.W i couldnt agree with you more on that one....

Since we all live in the very P.C. country we live in I would like to point out that we have the first interracial President-elect. Go America for "breaking through the racial barrier". I thought this race had nothing to do with race?I want to elaborate on what I posted. The reason I say this is because race realtions and P.C. mentality go hand in hand. We haven't borken through any barrier when Americans continue to sa things such as "breaking through the racial barrier", "as a black person", and many other divisive statements Americans use daily. We should all be Americans first not Asian-Americans, African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, Native Americans, and any other hyphenated nationality you can fit before being an American! Until you get rid of those divisive terms we shall never "break through the racial barrier".

Since we all live in the very P.C. country we live in I would like to point out that we have the first interracial President-elect. Go America for "breaking through the racial barrier". I thought this race had nothing to do with race?I want to elaborate on what I posted. The reason I say this is because race realtions and P.C. mentality go hand in hand. We haven't borken through any barrier when Americans continue to sa things such as "breaking through the racial barrier", "as a black person", and many other divisive statements Americans use daily. We should all be Americans first not Asian-Americans, African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, Native Americans, and any other hyphenated nationality you can fit before being an American! Until you get rid of those divisive terms we shall never "break through the racial barrier".

word.

Okay, people. Let's keep the blatant racism and conspiracy theory out of here. Mature debate is fine, it's what the country is built on, but it's time to grow up and stop the verbal diarrhea.

A Black president? America is going down the drain.

and your going down with it :)

dont you have any other threads to bother? :tap: he isn't black anyways. hes a human being and an (stands on soap box) American!

Blck prsdnt? mrc s gng dwn th drn.

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no with GW in the house we've been down the drain....obama is going to try his very best to correct what he can.....

Tell 'em Firesquare!

Oh and McCain didn't wear a flag pin to his last several appearances... just sayin.

I noticed that, too. I don't know why he made the big stink about it then didn't wear one himself.

Because most of the GOP attack points were BS.

Socialism? What do you call the Alaska Permanent Fund? It's the same spread the wealth concept that the GOP was getting all worked up on.

No Experience? Who the hell was Sarah Palin before her nomination?

Palling around with terrorists? Read about the Alaska Separatist Party.

So yea.

Anyone remember the video game Killer Instinct?

http://i33.tinypic.com/zx6yi8.jpg

:rofl:

Did McCain ever have a chance?


Sarah Pailin was clearly under-qualified for the job at hand. On some level I feel this outcome was controlled. Obama will be the scapegoat or fall child for some horrible occurance in this country. Maybe as an excuse to usher in the new alliance between Canada, the US and Mexico under a unified currency system, the AMERO.

I can't help but draw parralells between our current situation and those outlined in Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged.

Did McCain ever have a chance?


Sarah Pailin was clearly under-qualified for the job at hand. On some level I feel this outcome was controlled. Obama will be the scapegoat or fall child for some horrible occurance in this country. Maybe as an excuse to usher in the new alliance between Canada, the US and Mexico under a unified currency system, the AMERO.

I can't help but draw parralells between our current situation and those outlined in Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged.

McCain made a poor decision with Palin only b/c of her lack of experience. With the whole racial hype it was a good strategy for him to pick a woman as a vp. However, I do not think the outcome was controlled. Obama will not be a scapegoat for a tragedy and the whole Amero thing is fake.

Is it? McCain didn't choose Pailin as his running mate. She was chosen for him. He had three or four other choices I believe and none of them were a woman. He was coaxed into naming her as his running mate.

This from: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/406glxpt.asp

"Of the four individuals most frequently mentioned as potential McCain runningmates--Joe Lieberman, Tom Ridge, Mitt Romney and Tim Pawlenty..."

Those are McCain's original choices for running mate. Show me where it says Pailin as HIS choice...


And prove that the Amero is fake...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58052

Tuesday, October 9, 2007

PREMEDITATED MERGER
Ex-Mexican prez: Regional currency coming
Vicente Fox confirms long-term plan worked out with President Bush

Posted: October 9, 2007
1:15 p.m. Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi

© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

Ex-Mexican President Vicente Fox last night on CNN
Former Mexican President Vicente Fox confirmed the existence of a plan conceived with President Bush to create a new regional currency in the Americas, in an interview last night on CNN's "Larry King Live."

It possibly was the first time a leader of Mexico, Canada or the U.S. openly confirmed a plan for a regional currency. Fox explained the current regional trade agreement that encompasses the Western Hemisphere is intended to evolve into other previously hidden aspects of integration.

According to a transcript published by CNN, King, near the end of the broadcast, asked Fox a question e-mailed from a listener, a Ms. Gonzalez from Elizabeth, N.J.: "Mr. Fox, I would like to know how you feel about the possibility of having a Latin America united with one currency?"

Fox answered in the affirmative, indicating it was a long-term plan. He admitted he and President Bush had agreed to pursue the Free Trade Agreement of the Americas – a free-trade zone extending throughout the Western Hemisphere, suggesting part of the plan was to institute eventually a regional currency.

"Long term, very long term," he said. "What we proposed together, President Bush and myself, it's ALCA, which is a trade union for all the Americas."

(Story continues below)

ALCA is the acronym for the Area de Libre Comercio de las Américas, the name of the FTAA in Spanish.

King, evidently startled by Fox's revelation of the currency, asked pointedly, "It's going to be like the euro dollar (sic), you mean?"

"Well, that would be long, long term," Fox repeated.

Fox noted the FTAA plan had been thwarted by Hugo Chavez, the radical socialist president of Venezuela.

"Everything was running fluently until Hugo Chavez came," Fox commented. "He decided to combat the idea and destroy the idea."

Fox explained that he and Bush intended to proceed incrementally, establishing FTAA as an economic agreement first and waiting to create an amero-type currency later – a plan he also suggested was in place for NAFTA itself.

"I think the process to go, first step is trading agreement," Fox said. "And then further on, a new vision, like we are trying to do with NAFTA."

Fox's reply to the CNN viewer was captured in a clip posted on YouTube.com. CNN posted video of the interview but did not include the segment with questions from viewers.

Last week, WND reported BankIntroductions.com, a Canadian company that specializes in global banking strategies and currency consulting, is advising clients the amero may be the currency of North America within 10 years.

Coin designer Daniel Carr has issued for sale a series of private-issue fantasy pattern amero coins that have drawn attention on the Internet.

WND also reported the African Union is moving down the path of regional economic integration, with the African Central Bank planning to create the "Gold Mandela" as a single African continental currency by 2010.

The Council on Foreign Relations has supported regional and global currencies designed to replace nationally issued currencies.

In an article in the May/June issue of Foreign Affairs, entitled "The End of National Currency," CFR economist Benn Steil asserts the dollar is a temporary currency.

Steil concluded "countries should abandon monetary nationalism," moving to adopt regional currencies, on the road to a global "one world currency."

WND previously reported Steve Previs, a vice president at Jeffries International Ltd. in London, said the amero "is the proposed new currency for the North American Community which is being developed right now between Canada, the U.S., and Mexico."

A video clip of the CNBC interview in November with Jeffries is now available at YouTube.com.

WND also has reported a continued slide in the value of the dollar on world currency markets could set up conditions in which the adoption of the amero as a North American currency gains momentum.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/nau.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/amero.asp

Plus I saw a video somewhere about it but can't remember where. It was a radio host that has been behind all types of conspiracy theories and it even showed him holding a so-called amero. It's all fake.

what is snopes.com?

who is it maintained by? what are their credentials? from what I can tell it does not seem like a credible news source nor do they provide any citation to where they obtained their information they are presenting. Seems like a wiki-type page to me.

A quick search into the authors of snopes.com turned up a couple named Barbara and David Mikkelson. With further research into the credibility of the couple and their credentials I have come of with zip, zilch, nada. From what I can tell they are an activist, leftist couple, a couple with an agenda. Your first red flag should be the absense of reference to the author of such articles and the absense of sources to their claims. Furthermore, they have been noted as using wikipedia.com as a cource and anyone who cites wikipedia.com as a source should be flamed and ridiculed for eternity!

Please provide a more credible source to support your claim.

For those that care so much about the pin deal, I have one question for you - Do YOU wear a friggin flag pin? Who cares. It's a darn pin.

Exactly. So many insignificant things were brought up as huge issues by the GOP during this campaign. They had to. They couldn't win on their policies, the only hope they had for winning was to run a smear campaign.

this has nothing to do with the pin smart one..

wanting to be sworn in with the quoran is what bothers meWhy does that bother you? The Bill of Rightsclearly states that everyone is entitled to whatever religion they believe. If he believes what is in the Quoran then let him swear on it. It seems more fitting that he swear on what he believes than on something he does not.

I am saying this and I'll be honest and say that I did not vote for Mr. Obama, but I will support him. I believe in unity. I believe that we have to put all these dumb feelings aside and look at what is truly wrong with this country. One of those items is racial division as I stated in an earlier post and I also posted my idea to a possible solution.

Religion is STUPID!!! Don't you get it? Does it really matter who ir wrong or who is right? That's part of the reason the muslim people bomb people of other religions because they believe they are right and others are wrong! WHO CARES!?!?! Religion is another divisive method I'd like to wipe of the face of the Earth. How about being good decent citizens because everyone deserves respect and love? What about that? Instead of 25 invisible people in the sky holding strings and making people dance for them!

... i think calling Obama a black guy is very racist and is being blown out of proportion by the press.

hes mulatto so hes not black or white hes both or nether depending on how you look at it. but he is not one or the other.

while yeah it may be a big that someone that's not full Caucasian decent is in office. i think its wrong that they are labeling him as an African American.

By that logic the majority of Black people in this country aren't really African American.

wow.. who says things like that.. and im pretty sure hes not muslim..

hea actually is african american in my eyes.. his dad was african from kenya and his mom was from kansas or hawaii

I've read some of the dumbest most ignorant crap ive ever heard on this thread. So he is black and hes the president get over it.

He has the right to believe what ever religion he wants. His right as an american.

He didnt cheat his way into office (like GWB). Everyone is ready to have another white man in office, no matter what his policies are, simply because hes republican or white.

I am not racist. I am very open minded. I am hopeful for a future with obama, not because he will be the best president ever, not because he has all the answers. Simply because he is trying to bring change to a country that is dying slowly but surely.

We want to talk about him being a socialist or whatever, how about our totalitarian government that our votes dont truly count towards who our president is. How about a president who cheated his way into office, then got reelected simply to f it up more.

My post may be jumbled or incoherent to some, im at work so forgive me. But as an american all of you should be hopeful for a new future, some change, because change is good. And by voting in the same old tired white men every 4 years has gotten us no where but deeper into debt, poverty and hated by the rest of the world. I think.. I know, its time for a change in this country, a big one. Obama may not be the solution to all of our issues, but at least hes trying. A small start is better than no start. We cant be any worse off than we already are.

And I'm white btw. I love every race equally and we all should. There are bad people in every skin color. Bad people are like bad dogs, they are made, not born.

I've read some of the dumbest most ignorant crap ive ever heard on this thread. So he is black and hes the president get over it.

He has the right to believe what ever religion he wants. His right as an american.

He didnt cheat his way into office (like GWB). Everyone is ready to have another white man in office, no matter what his policies are, simply because hes republican or white.

I am not racist. I am very open minded. I am hopeful for a future with obama, not because he will be the best president ever, not because he has all the answers. Simply because he is trying to bring change to a country that is dying slowly but surely.

We want to talk about him being a socialist or whatever, how about our totalitarian government that our votes dont truly count towards who our president is. How about a president who cheated his way into office, then got reelected simply to f it up more.

My post may be jumbled or incoherent to some, im at work so forgive me. But as an american all of you should be hopeful for a new future, some change, because change is good. And by voting in the same old tired white men every 4 years has gotten us no where but deeper into debt, poverty and hated by the rest of the world. I think.. I know, its time for a change in this country, a big one. Obama may not be the solution to all of our issues, but at least hes trying. A small start is better than no start. We cant be any worse off than we already are.

And I'm white btw. I love every race equally and we all should. There are bad people in every skin color. Bad people are like bad dogs, they are made, not born.

Well said. :clap:

The troll-fu is strong with rrimportracer. Nobody can possibly be this ignorant.

Lol you'd be surprised at some of the people in this country.

Akrylic, just ignore him. He's working himself into a ban. ;)

hahahahah serious sh1t....i just dont understand how ppl are still living in a box (not literally) and not grasping the whole concept of what good obama could do for this country. its sad if you ask me

This thread is being locked temporarily.

It's not that hard to play nice, people.

Okay, let's give this another shot. Lets keep this thread respectable.

Me being Latino, I'm proud that Obama got 67% of the Latino vote... :clap:

Woke up this morning to channel 7 news and was surprised that Virginia went to Obama!

Nice 20 min. lock Burst! :P

Whatever, I gotta purge the goo. :P

I've read some of the dumbest most ignorant crap ive ever heard on this thread. So he is black and hes the president get over it.

He has the right to believe what ever religion he wants. His right as an american.

He didnt cheat his way into office (like GWB). Everyone is ready to have another white man in office, no matter what his policies are, simply because hes republican or white.

I am not racist. I am very open minded. I am hopeful for a future with obama, not because he will be the best president ever, not because he has all the answers. Simply because he is trying to bring change to a country that is dying slowly but surely.

We want to talk about him being a socialist or whatever, how about our totalitarian government that our votes dont truly count towards who our president is. How about a president who cheated his way into office, then got reelected simply to f it up more.

My post may be jumbled or incoherent to some, im at work so forgive me. But as an american all of you should be hopeful for a new future, some change, because change is good. And by voting in the same old tired white men every 4 years has gotten us no where but deeper into debt, poverty and hated by the rest of the world. I think.. I know, its time for a change in this country, a big one. Obama may not be the solution to all of our issues, but at least hes trying. A small start is better than no start. We cant be any worse off than we already are.

And I'm white btw. I love every race equally and we all should. There are bad people in every skin color. Bad people are like bad dogs, they are made, not born.

Well said. :clap:

Thank you!

Ignorance runs rampant and sometimes everyone needs to just get over themselves for 5 minutes and use their brain without religion, fear or hate influencing their thoughts. You would be amazed at how simple it is if we all just work together, set aside differnce and compromise on a solution that benefits the world instead of rich/poor/middle class.

I voted obama cuz i bust my ___ everyday to try to get my stereo/alarm shop back on its feet so i can get more hours. But to no avail the economy is just to screwed up to have that happen. We even had to close the shop one day a week to stay afloat

I hope to god obama can do something or figure something out (maybe end a war with no exit strategy that costs us millions.. or billions every month?) and some money could come back to the american people instead of blowing up camels.

Canada is looking good for the few that are REALLY upset.

i was thinking about Cananda myself earlier in the year. too much downfall from EVERYTHING was going on.
its funny people complain about obama being a socialist and saying their going to move to canada to escape it when canada is socialist

Are they fully socialist or is it just their health care? I truly don't know.

Just their health care.

OBAMA FOR YO MAMA!!! (weither you like it or not, hahahaha) :clap: :rofl:
"Like Barack Obama said it's time for a change" :clap:


Serriously though, I'm really happy he won and now he just has to walk his talk....

Just their health care.That's what I thought.

hey i need health care. and i hear Montreal is nice this time of year. ill be cloaser to the Formula 1 action!

I think it's funny cause I'm a member of another automotive forum and those members over there are wanting to move to Mexico! Most of those members are from the deep "Dirty South"... :P

great to finally know that now ANYONE can look at their young ones/ loved ones/etc. and truly believe that they can be WHATEVER they want to be.

What a great feeling....

Makes me feel more proud to be an American than I've felt in years. Go Obama!!

hey i need health care. and i hear Montreal is nice this time of year. ill be cloaser to the Formula 1 action!
No you won't, there's no Canadian GP next year.

well i want to come up for the Formula 1 then. since they wont be coming back to the USA anytime soon :-/

great to finally know that now ANYONE can look at their young ones/ loved ones/etc. and truly believe that they can be WHATEVER they want to be.

What a great feeling....

Makes me feel more proud to be an American than I've felt in years. Go Obama!!
ack your in Shippensburg.......scary place......LOL must be in school why else would anyone go there????

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For posting something earlier created by someone who thinks an Obama presidency will result in martial law, and believes talking about using Mexican immigrant bodies as fuel is a good use of radio airtime, you've actually forfeited your right to post in this thread. Please note that the perception of your general intelligence hinges on obeying this, but can be remedied by not blindly parroting the views and inane bile spouted by neo-conservative commentators.

For posting something earlier created by someone who thinks an Obama presidency will result in martial law, and believes talking about using Mexican immigrant bodies as fuel is a good use of radio airtimeWho the hell said that on the radio?

proof i say!

For posting something earlier created by someone who thinks an Obama presidency will result in martial law, and believes talking about using Mexican immigrant bodies as fuel is a good use of radio airtime, you've actually forfeited your right to post in this thread. Please note that the perception of your general intelligence hinges on obeying this, but can be remedied by not blindly parroting the views and inane bile spouted by neo-conservative commentators.

i'm not posting anyone's views but my own. i can think for myself and will post things that i agree with.

regardless of what the author of those cartoons posted or said previously (i don't even know who the author is, nor do i care) i agree with those i posted. there were many others i didn't agree with and didn't post. there were many more i did agree with but opted not to post because the general SL population would get their panties in a bunch

unlike most, not all, but most obama voters, i can think for myself. i can see past the empty promises. when he fails to live up to everything he's promised, don't blame it on someone else

my president is black..... congratulations

my president is black..... congratulations

why does his skin color matter to you?

my president is black..... congratulationsThis should read:
our president is interracial..... congratulations

^I thought he was quoting a lyric from Young Jeezy's "My President" but I could be wrong.

Oh...sorry. I don't listen to too many newer rap artists. My bad.

For posting something earlier created by someone who thinks an Obama presidency will result in martial law, and believes talking about using Mexican immigrant bodies as fuel is a good use of radio airtimeWho the hell said that on the radio?
Glenn Beck. tC_andy07 posted a video from him earlier. http://mediamatters.org/items/200706290010 did an article on it; apparently he didn't say it's a good idea, just read out the ad which subscribers of his website made - saying "it's bad", and then featured it on his website.

unlike most, not all, but most obama voters, i can think for myself. i can see past the empty promises. when he fails to live up to everything he's promised, don't blame it on someone else
No, see, you think you can see past what you think are empty promises. Why you think you're better than most, not all, but most of Obama's supporters, because of your brilliantly speculative suppositions... well, I don't know. True, some Obama supporters were hooked just from the word "change", but you were hooked just from the word "socialist", so I'd be careful comparing yourself to them.

great to finally know that now ANYONE can look at their young ones/ loved ones/etc. and truly believe that they can be WHATEVER they want to be.

What a great feeling....

Makes me feel more proud to be an American than I've felt in years. Go Obama!!
ack your in Shippensburg.......scary place......LOL must be in school why else would anyone go there????

yeah...stuck in ship for now...my family moved here about 6 years ago from el paso (military) and decided to stay...so it was just convenient to go to school here too. 1 more year though, and i'll be on my way to boston for law school!

it may just be me... but im pretty sure that all presidents in the past have lied, swindled and in one way or another didnt live up to their promise. all im trying to say is give the guy a chance! he cant do any worse than all the others have done and he is at least trying to make a difference. every president increases taxes, i dare you to show me one president in the history of the country who did not raise them in some way or another. at least obama straight out said he was going to raise them instead lying and backpeddling around the subject like most.

In all honesty Obama will not be able to fulfill a lot of his promises. And it's not buy any fault of his own. It's our current economic situation. He is gaining more national debt than any other president in history.

^I thought he was quoting a lyric from Young Jeezy's "My President" but I could be wrong.


thank you jon for explaining wat was misunderstood.

I personally would've loved to hear the questions Mr. Obama was asking when he was briefed on the specifics on the current state of Iraq. There are so many case-sensitive matters that are unknown to Americans. I doubt he will be able to end the war. I don't care whether we end the war or not. I just want to see another country have the same opportunities we have, but in saying that let me say that I don't think we should've gone there Unconstitutionally like we did. Unfortunately, BOTH sides are to blame for the war we are in. As Americans we need to continue to put pressure on the powers that be to enforce our Constitution and laws, not change them as they see fit. Also, every person (whether they are a politician or not) needs to remind themselves daily that they are accountable for themselves and if they do something wrong it is their fault. We have free will, but with free will comes consequences. If you can't handle the consequences for te action you are about to partake in don't do it!

As Americans we need to continue to put pressure on the powers that be to enforce our Constitution and laws, not change them as they see fit.

agreed

i would love to be part of his projected green energy movement. that is a lot of jobs all over. plus then next generation scientist will study energy and how to harness it without creating a lot of harmful emissions.

plus i need a good paying job. im unemployed. like the few million in the USA this year :-/

it was also said he is now president of the economy from hell. i don't think it can get worse.

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/obama_win_causes_obsessive

:rofl:

:rofl:

I love The Onion. I'm subscribed to it on youtube!

That's totally how I feel now.

I also want to know about Obama's views on the zomb-pocalypse, and what he's doing to protect me against the Z-day threat.

i would love to be part of his projected green energy movement. that is a lot of jobs all over. plus then next generation scientist will study energy and how to harness it without creating a lot of harmful emissions.

plus i need a good paying job. im unemployed. like the few million in the USA this year :-/

it was also said he is now president of the economy from hell. i don't think it can get worse.If Mr. Obama pushes the social programs into reality it can get worse. It econmically doesn't make sense. We first have to get out of our deficit. If we don't do that first (you have to do plenty more than pull out of Iraq) in order to worry about the social programs. Not starting a fight. Stating the truth.

P.S. Always remember in satire (that Onion News Network video), there is more truth than in reality.

Firesquare, I have NO problem with finding a way to create not only more jobs, but more energy. I would like to point out that many Environmentalists want to get rid of oil all together...right now! I am totally against that. I say do it all, but as of right now oil is our most viable means to energy. So, let's not get rid of it when we have no backup! That's like quitting a job before have a backup one ready in line. It's not a smart move. Also, global wamring is b.s. All this caron buildup and poop is what plants need to thrive...polar bear numbers are up and so are the ice caps. It's just a ploy to tax people more.

This is the easiest way for me to sum it up:

Pre-Obama Bear: Self-sufficient, hard working, proud.

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/605/blackbearfishni7.jpg









Same Bear after Obama: Just waiting for his government handout.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/Moosesign/SKOg9MK3yaI/AAAAAAAAFuI/LmYrwpQnpO4/s400/beardining.jpg
:P

That's alright.

Pre-McCain Bear: Self-sufficient, hard working, proud.

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/605/blackbearfishni7.jpg









Same Bear after McCain: Dead.

http://www.ucasports.com/gallery/msc-00-sleepingbear.jpg
:P

Here Israeli analyst provides a detailed comparison of Obama to Michael Jackson: http://samsonblinded.org/blog/michael-jackson-for-president.htm

I personally would've loved to hear the questions Mr. Obama was asking when he was briefed on the specifics on the current state of Iraq. There are so many case-sensitive matters that are unknown to Americans. I doubt he will be able to end the war. I don't care whether we end the war or not. I just want to see another country have the same opportunities we have, but in saying that let me say that I don't think we should've gone there Unconstitutionally like we did. Unfortunately, BOTH sides are to blame for the war we are in. As Americans we need to continue to put pressure on the powers that be to enforce our Constitution and laws, not change them as they see fit. Also, every person (whether they are a politician or not) needs to remind themselves daily that they are accountable for themselves and if they do something wrong it is their fault. We have free will, but with free will comes consequences. If you can't handle the consequences for te action you are about to partake in don't do it!

EXACTLY....

i would love to be part of his projected green energy movement. that is a lot of jobs all over. plus then next generation scientist will study energy and how to harness it without creating a lot of harmful emissions.

plus i need a good paying job. im unemployed. like the few million in the USA this year :-/

it was also said he is now president of the economy from hell. i don't think it can get worse.If Mr. Obama pushes the social programs into reality it can get worse. It econmically doesn't make sense. We first have to get out of our deficit. If we don't do that first (you have to do plenty more than pull out of Iraq) in order to worry about the social programs. Not starting a fight. Stating the truth.

P.S. Always remember in satire (that Onion News Network video), there is more truth than in reality.

Firesquare, I have NO problem with finding a way to create not only more jobs, but more energy. I would like to point out that many Environmentalists want to get rid of oil all together...right now! I am totally against that. I say do it all, but as of right now oil is our most viable means to energy. So, let's not get rid of it when we have no backup! That's like quitting a job before have a backup one ready in line. It's not a smart move. Also, global wamring is b.s. All this caron buildup and poop is what plants need to thrive...polar bear numbers are up and so are the ice caps. It's just a ploy to tax people more.

yeah oil we do need. but soon, maybe not in our life time but we'll be out of oil soon. so we do need to find a back up plan. yes it will cost us more but it will help everyone in teh long run.

E-85....

if the USA will get more in step with this E-85, i think it will be good. BUT...
for our consumption of fuel we would have to import E-85 still! Brazil is a large producer of E-85.

the global warming is real. the core temp of the earth is up 2 or 3 degrees on average. and thats bad (i guess) i watch too much weather channel :doh:

How about his idea of how the governmant should be structured? Shocking to some people I'll bet.

See it for yourself, this is no joke:

Click Here (http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=2008_government_manual&docid=214669tx_xxx-3.pdf)

How about his idea of how the governmant should be structured? Shocking to some people I'll bet.

See it for yourself, this is no joke:

Click Here (http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=2008_government_manual&docid=214669tx_xxx-3.pdf)
What exactly am I supposed to be looking at that's shocking?

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The problem with E85 is that it's just a temporary solution to the problem. Electric, hydrogen, and biodiesel powered cars ARE the future. If we're going to phase out gasoline, we can't just phase into a gasoline derivative, when gasoline-free power is going to eventually take over anyway. Why not just skip the middle step and go straight into the last?

You know what would be perfect for the Big Three? Instead of us giving them $25bn collectively and GM another $50bn, why don't they merge into one company with some snazzy name, and have them dedicate the entire company to developing fuel efficient cars and furthering fuel efficient research. If anyone wants to discuss the specifics and logistics of this, I'm gonna ramble on here (http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=238251&start=20) about it.

General Ford Motor company??

i still likeSaabaru!

that is also very true. in 2001 i bout a ford focus hatchback.. gas was awesome in 2001 from what i remember. but i can only get 27-29MPG's
in 2001 they had 3 SUV's the F-series trucks and E series vans. don't forget the configurations you can get with the E and F series now :-\

with all that money put into massive size trucks and SUV's make me a $14,000 hatchback that can get easily over 40MPG.

why not ford? and GM hey you,

who wants a Suburban Hybrid? isn't that an oxymoron? 65,000 dollars? and how about the "clones" that GM has. do you really need 3 different GM minivans?? or 3 Full size trucks like the Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade? this is not necessary.

the Caddy Escalade hybrid cost over 100,000. C'mon GM think smart. I don't want to pay for this Bailout plan but im going to somehow..

i hope Obama knows whats he's in for :nails:

I just hope Obama doesn't get suckered into the "BUT THE JOBS!!!" argument in not bailing out these companies. GM and Ford have made notoriously bad decisions this decade (including GM hiring way, way too many people), and were in sharp decline before the bailout was even rumored to happen. Bailing them out is only going to waste taxpayer money when they eventually go under.

How about his idea of how the governmant should be structured? Shocking to some people I'll bet.

See it for yourself, this is no joke:

Click Here (http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=2008_government_manual&docid=214669tx_xxx-3.pdf)
What exactly am I supposed to be looking at that's shocking?



Obama put something called "The Constitution" at the top of the government! As if that was supposed to somehow be what our gov is based in.

I just hope Obama doesn't get suckered into the "BUT THE JOBS!!!" argument in not bailing out these companies. GM and Ford have made notoriously bad decisions this decade (including GM hiring way, way too many people), and were in sharp decline before the bailout was even rumored to happen. Bailing them out is only going to waste taxpayer money when they eventually go under.

I don't care for Obama. At the same time, Obama's only option is to bail out whoever employs lots of people and will need bailing out in the next year or so, even private companies (like Chrysler). Why? So millions of people don't lose their jobs in his first year as president. Furthermore, the government will have to buy up all the bad loans out there so people don't go homeless in his first term as president. The democrats have the majority, so it's pretty much a done deal. At any rate, I think the republicans will be happy to watch them do it, maybe put up a half hearted fight just for show, while reaching for the popcorn and the ottoman.

I don't care for Obama. At the same time, Obama's only option is to bail out whoever employs lots of people and will need bailing out in the next year or so, even private companies (like Chrysler). Why? So millions of people don't lose their jobs in his first year as president. Furthermore, the government will have to buy up all the bad loans out there so people don't go homeless in his first term as president. The democrats have the majority, so it's pretty much a done deal. At any rate, I think the republicans will be happy to watch them do it, maybe put up a half hearted fight just for show, while reaching for the popcorn and the ottoman.

If the Republican party ever wants to be considered viable they won't play politics with the issues they helped create.

I don't think it's in them to be non-partisan but, maybe they can have a revolution where new people take over that party and get it back to putting America ahead of party.

Otherwise it could be a long time until they get power again.

'Ronbo' is Obama's head dog, and Pelosi sits atop her throne, and people are hoping the Republicans don't play party politics?

Geez. This is beyond kool-aid, man. Maybe I need to just plug back into the matrix, so my oatmeal tastes like steak too.

I don't care for Obama. At the same time, Obama's only option is to bail out whoever employs lots of people and will need bailing out in the next year or so, even private companies (like Chrysler). Why? So millions of people don't lose their jobs in his first year as president. Furthermore, the government will have to buy up all the bad loans out there so people don't go homeless in his first term as president. The democrats have the majority, so it's pretty much a done deal. At any rate, I think the republicans will be happy to watch them do it, maybe put up a half hearted fight just for show, while reaching for the popcorn and the ottoman.
There is another option, actually: Obama could bail out the workers themselves, and let the companies fall into bankruptcy. I mean, all everyone is concerned about are the workers at those companies, right? Instead of giving $50bn to GM to "re-tool" themselves again, we could give just $15bn to the 266,000 employees, who could use that money while they find a new job or train for a new line of work... and let whoever buys them up in bankruptcy "re-tool" them as they see fit. If we have to be a part of this bail out, we might as well do it like this... but that would be socialism, right? :roll:

'Ronbo' is Obama's head dog, and Pelosi sits atop her throne, and people are hoping the Republicans don't play party politics?

Geez. This is beyond kool-aid, man. Maybe I need to just plug back into the matrix, so my oatmeal tastes like steak too.Yea, because GWB had a democratic Chief of Staff... :roll:

That's not party politics, it's called having a cabinet that you can trust.

'Ronbo' is Obama's head dog, and Pelosi sits atop her throne, and people are hoping the Republicans don't play party politics?
Whether you like his previous partisan politics or not, if you want to get ____e done politically, he's the guy who can do it. I think he knows that his job is now "Enforcer", and to just get whatever Obama wants done quicker and with more support, so I don't think his "hyper-partisanship" as Fox called it will come into play unless Obama lets it.

There is another option, actually: Obama could bail out the workers themselves, and let the companies fall into bankruptcy. I mean, all everyone is concerned about are the workers at those companies, right? Instead of giving $50bn to GM to "re-tool" themselves again, we could give just $15bn to the 266,000 employees, who could use that money while they find a new job or train for a new line of work... and let whoever buys them up in bankruptcy "re-tool" them as they see fit. If we have to be a part of this bail out, we might as well do it like this... but that would be socialism, right? :roll:

You laugh, but I'm all for that. Since it's my tax money that has to be used, whether I want it to or not, I'd much rather have it go to people just like me. You let the companies fall, and give $220,000 to all of those 266,000 employees, and they'd use the money alot wiser than the heads of Ford, GM, or Chrysler. I'm willing to bet that at least 200,000 homes will be bought and paid for.

And you know what? I don't care if those people get a windfall off my sweat, because my sweat was going to pay the same amount anyway. Better it go to my brothers than their captors.

It may sound like socialism, but it isn't any -ism if you don't have a say in the matter. Whether it's socialism, marxism, capitalism, communism, whatever... they're taking $50bn from us. Don't get me wrong... I could write Brad Miller, Richard Burr, and Kay Hagan, but they never listen anyway... the first two at any rate. Good riddance to Dole.

Since you asked :silly:

That last part was pure, unadulterated sarcasm directed at the "OMG SOCIALISTISM BAD!" people... I don't know if you caught it. :P The rest I really do believe would be the best (and cheapest) option for us to take, if we have to bail out the auto industry.

The bottom line is that I would rather our government spent $15bn than $50bn, if all we care about are the employees of GM. Let whoever buys up GM worry about re-tooling them to be successful again.

'Ronbo' is Obama's head dog, and Pelosi sits atop her throne, and people are hoping the Republicans don't play party politics?

Geez. This is beyond kool-aid, man. Maybe I need to just plug back into the matrix, so my oatmeal tastes like steak too.

No Kool-Aid. Change.

That last part was pure, unadulterated sarcasm directed at the "OMG SOCIALISTISM BAD!" people... I don't know if you caught it. :P The rest I really do believe would be the best (and cheapest) option for us to take, if we have to bail out the auto industry.

The bottom line is that I would rather our government spent $15bn than $50bn, if all we care about are the employees of GM. Let whoever buys up GM worry about re-tooling them to be successful again.

There's somebody out there that would buy up GM? Who?

And it's "Rahm-bo"

firesquare, I don't think anyone should ever use a food source as fuel. That's just dumb! Instead let's use a plant that grows out of control if you allow it to and is not a food source. Like...HEMP!
http://www.hemp4fuel.com

i didn't read the article but this reminds me of a Simpsons episode where Ralph made a car run on alcohol, and Homer imagined one pump for the car, two pumps for him.

the other problem with the Ethanol fuel is look at how many cars are on the road now, a very small percentage of the cars are E-85 compatible. my xB states not to run anything over E-10.

i have also yet to see a Ethanol fueling station in my area. and what is the benefit really? just cleaner air? i want to know if its going to save 8-10 cents a gallon. its renewable save me some coinage!

their are to many what if's in my mind with ethanol.

does Toyota even manufacture a car in the US that's E-85 compatible?

maybe the green movement thing is for another thread. i dunno. if Obama wants to tackle it,start with something easy, the zillions of vehicles we have in the US and the older factories and what not

excuse my rambling, i just finished my first cup of coffee this morning...

Flex-Fuel vehicles get 25% less mileage off of a tank of E-85 vs standard gas...
Also, most FFVs are vehicles with crappy mileage anyway.

I've only seen one E-85 station within a 10 mile radius of my house.

Yay politics! Looks like we're having three discussions here.

1) Obama's policies and his cabinet selection

2) Congress / Fed handling of the "bailout"

3) Flex-fuel / E-85

Maybe we need some new threads?

For Obama, I have a lot more faith in him than our current pres. For those worried about him going WAY left in the judge appointees, remember he has a constitutional law degree from Harvard. His stance on appointees is also no litmus test; nominate to Court based on their fairness. The problem is neocons thing that center is too far left. On foriegn policy, his bachelors was in political science with an international relations specialization. Biden is also the chair of the Foriegn Relations senate committee.

On the federal bailout, giving direct aid to the workers is NOT a good idea. The federal aid given to Katrina victims was a good lesson in how NOT to spend an aid stipend. The $600 / person "economic stimulous package" under Bush had similar results. How manypeople here used their check to reduce their debt as opposed to buying something new to their car? What is needed is debt restructuring for the mortgage market so homeowners aren't stuck with toxic upsidedown loans. The banks lose more money on forclosure than on restructuring, they just aren't willing to gamble unlsess mortgages are federally-insured. We do not care only about the employees of GM, we care about GM, and for good reason. They are half of the domestic auto market, and if they fall, so will the steel producers, tire plants, electronics and glass makers, dealerships, service centers (GM and Jiffy Lube) etc. as suddenly their sales drop in half. Adding to the problem is the union's stranglehold on wages combined with corporate raiding of pension funds which now need to be paid back. Loosening credit on qualified car buyers will help so long as they don't finance those unable to pay for the car loan. Regulation, and more importantly ENFORCEMENT can help this.

3) Ethanol sucks. It has a smaller energy density than gas, costs more to produce currently and requires vehicle conversion in high concentration. Making it from food was even stupider and a giant payoff to the agricultural lobby (I'm not talking Zeke and his family farm, I'm talking huge corporate enterprises that do NOT need the Fed's help). The hemp thing rings true, it is an ideal rotational crop to re-enrich soil, and only contains trace THC. You'd die from crrbon monoxide poisoning before you smoked enough to get high. But because our stupid laws do not differentiate the AMMOUNT of THC, it remains illegal. For fuel, hydrogen and plug-ins will be the future, but need planned infrastructure, agressive cost-offset policies of the administration, and a clean source of energy to produce the electricity or hydrogen to power them. Maybe they could take all the laid off auto workers and have them build critical infrastructure, public works is not an evil thing as is much better than handing out cash for nothing.

^ what he said....without creating anymore threads on this please. :)

going sideways so locked