Yea, because GWB had a democratic Chief of Staff...

That's not party politics, it's called having a cabinet that you can trust.

 

Whether you like his previous partisan politics or not, if you want to get ____e done politically, he's the guy who can do it. I think he knows that his job is now "Enforcer", and to just get whatever Obama wants done quicker and with more support, so I don't think his "hyper-partisanship" as Fox called it will come into play unless Obama lets it.

 

You laugh, but I'm all for that. Since it's my tax money that has to be used, whether I want it to or not, I'd much rather have it go to people just like me. You let the companies fall, and give $220,000 to all of those 266,000 employees, and they'd use the money alot wiser than the heads of Ford, GM, or Chrysler. I'm willing to bet that at least 200,000 homes will be bought and paid for.

And you know what? I don't care if those people get a windfall off my sweat, because my sweat was going to pay the same amount anyway. Better it go to my brothers than their captors.

It may sound like socialism, but it isn't any -ism if you don't have a say in the matter. Whether it's socialism, marxism, capitalism, communism, whatever... they're taking $50bn from us. Don't get me wrong... I could write Brad Miller, Richard Burr, and Kay Hagan, but they never listen anyway... the first two at any rate. Good riddance to Dole.

Since you asked

 

That last part was pure, unadulterated sarcasm directed at the "OMG SOCIALISTISM BAD!" people... I don't know if you caught it. The rest I really do believe would be the best (and cheapest) option for us to take, if we have to bail out the auto industry.

The bottom line is that I would rather our government spent $15bn than $50bn, if all we care about are the employees of GM. Let whoever buys up GM worry about re-tooling them to be successful again.

 

No Kool-Aid. Change.

 

There's somebody out there that would buy up GM? Who?

 

And it's "Rahm-bo"

 

firesquare, I don't think anyone should ever use a food source as fuel. That's just dumb! Instead let's use a plant that grows out of control if you allow it to and is not a food source. Like...HEMP!
http://www.hemp4fuel.com

 

i didn't read the article but this reminds me of a Simpsons episode where Ralph made a car run on alcohol, and Homer imagined one pump for the car, two pumps for him.

the other problem with the Ethanol fuel is look at how many cars are on the road now, a very small percentage of the cars are E-85 compatible. my xB states not to run anything over E-10.

i have also yet to see a Ethanol fueling station in my area. and what is the benefit really? just cleaner air? i want to know if its going to save 8-10 cents a gallon. its renewable save me some coinage!

their are to many what if's in my mind with ethanol.

does Toyota even manufacture a car in the US that's E-85 compatible?

maybe the green movement thing is for another thread. i dunno. if Obama wants to tackle it,start with something easy, the zillions of vehicles we have in the US and the older factories and what not

excuse my rambling, i just finished my first cup of coffee this morning...

 

Flex-Fuel vehicles get 25% less mileage off of a tank of E-85 vs standard gas...
Also, most FFVs are vehicles with crappy mileage anyway.

I've only seen one E-85 station within a 10 mile radius of my house.

 

Yay politics! Looks like we're having three discussions here.

1) Obama's policies and his cabinet selection

2) Congress / Fed handling of the "bailout"

3) Flex-fuel / E-85

Maybe we need some new threads?

For Obama, I have a lot more faith in him than our current pres. For those worried about him going WAY left in the judge appointees, remember he has a constitutional law degree from Harvard. His stance on appointees is also no litmus test; nominate to Court based on their fairness. The problem is neocons thing that center is too far left. On foriegn policy, his bachelors was in political science with an international relations specialization. Biden is also the chair of the Foriegn Relations senate committee.

On the federal bailout, giving direct aid to the workers is NOT a good idea. The federal aid given to Katrina victims was a good lesson in how NOT to spend an aid stipend. The $600 / person "economic stimulous package" under Bush had similar results. How manypeople here used their check to reduce their debt as opposed to buying something new to their car? What is needed is debt restructuring for the mortgage market so homeowners aren't stuck with toxic upsidedown loans. The banks lose more money on forclosure than on restructuring, they just aren't willing to gamble unlsess mortgages are federally-insured. We do not care only about the employees of GM, we care about GM, and for good reason. They are half of the domestic auto market, and if they fall, so will the steel producers, tire plants, electronics and glass makers, dealerships, service centers (GM and Jiffy Lube) etc. as suddenly their sales drop in half. Adding to the problem is the union's stranglehold on wages combined with corporate raiding of pension funds which now need to be paid back. Loosening credit on qualified car buyers will help so long as they don't finance those unable to pay for the car loan. Regulation, and more importantly ENFORCEMENT can help this.

3) Ethanol sucks. It has a smaller energy density than gas, costs more to produce currently and requires vehicle conversion in high concentration. Making it from food was even stupider and a giant payoff to the agricultural lobby (I'm not talking Zeke and his family farm, I'm talking huge corporate enterprises that do NOT need the Fed's help). The hemp thing rings true, it is an ideal rotational crop to re-enrich soil, and only contains trace THC. You'd die from crrbon monoxide poisoning before you smoked enough to get high. But because our stupid laws do not differentiate the AMMOUNT of THC, it remains illegal. For fuel, hydrogen and plug-ins will be the future, but need planned infrastructure, agressive cost-offset policies of the administration, and a clean source of energy to produce the electricity or hydrogen to power them. Maybe they could take all the laid off auto workers and have them build critical infrastructure, public works is not an evil thing as is much better than handing out cash for nothing.

 

^ what he said....without creating anymore threads on this please.

 

going sideways so locked