Ok, so A LOT of you know of NST, and you have seen our CR-Lite Crank Pulley for the 1NZ. This pulley is the SAME SIZE as your OEM (stock) crank pulley, is roughly 70% lighter than the OEM pulley, and is compatible with the OEM (stock) belt. The accessories are NOT slowed by this pulley...
As many of you also know, this pulley usually sells for $125 and is usually a SPECIAL-ORDER item on our website...
http://www.nonstoptuning.com/pKitToySciXAXB.htm
The purpose of THIS thread is to see if there are enough of you out there who would be interested in the HIGHEST quality pulley, at the LOWEST possible price.
This pulley usually sells for $125 (red or graphite gray) BUT...
If we can get 20 people committed to a limited edition GROUP BUY, we can offer you this same pulley at ONLY $99 per pulley, shipped to any US or Canada address! In addition, we would be able to offer you these pulleys in YOUR choice of color... Red, Gray, Black, Blue, Green, Purple, Gold, Silver.
If enough of you show interest, we will then give you roughly two weeks to make your payments. Pulleys would be built AFTER payments being processed, and the production cycle would require roughly five weeks from start to finish.
This pulley is compatible with the 1NZ xB, xA, and Echo. Anyone interested?
UPDATE MARCH 12, 2009
Ok everyone, it looks like we are at 15 members. Please read carefully...
Please follow the link bellow to submit your payments BEFORE APRIL 22, 2009. All payments must come in before production can begin, so the sooner the funds are in, the sooner we can start.
PLEASE BE SURE TO LOOK FOR A LINK AT THE END OF THE ORDERING PROCESS THAT ASKS FOR YOUR COLOR CHOICE AND SCREEN NAME. It is your responsibility to include this info. No info, no paid tag.
Production will require roughly six weeks from start to finish, so please do not add your name if you can not wait patiently while pulleys are produced. Production takes quite a while, and this is the reason you are all being offered such a large discount.
This payment page will be available until March 30, and anyone who is interested can submit payments between now and then, including new members who would like to join this GB. In fact, we need about five more names!
Those of you who would like to add an alternator pulley can also do so on this page, and you will find that we have even offered you a discount on the alt pulley.
I will update this thread with PAID tags as payments are processed.
We expect to begin production early next week, and hope to have some pulleys available for you guys in about SIX weeks. Current ETA: Late June 2009.
UPDATE JUNE 20, 2009
Production is almost complete ladies and gents. We plan to start shipping out to our GB customers soon.
UPDATE AUGUST 28, 2009
All GB orders have now shipped via USPS Priority Mail!!!
We have built a few extra pieces (red and gray) and anyone else who may be interested in placing an order for one of these pulleys can do so on our website...
http://www.nonstoptuning.com/pKitToySciXB.htm
:)
jct
01-17-2009, 04:00 PM
glad you kept the screw holes for the pulley puller remover tool :)
NonStopTuning
01-17-2009, 05:10 PM
Thank you!
NST = The HIGHEST quality pulley possible. In every definition of the word.
:)
burstaneurysm
01-18-2009, 05:13 AM
Looks like a great piece.
NonStopTuning
01-21-2009, 02:47 AM
Yes it is :)
teabox
01-23-2009, 05:33 PM
I'm up for it and I wanna buy it too. If the group buy is set up, I'll be your one of your 1st customers. No lie. I haven't heard anything bad about NST pulleys. Other brands, thats a different story
NonStopTuning
01-23-2009, 06:48 PM
Thank you teabox!
Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any interest so far... other than your own reply.
I would really love for a GB like this to go through, as I would like to offer you guys the BEST pulleys on the market at an amazing price... Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any support...
We'll leave this thread up for another couple weeks to see if things change.
teabox
01-23-2009, 09:19 PM
can I post this on other scion sites? I really want this to go through. I'm planning on buying both the crankpulley and the alt pulley.
NonStopTuning
01-23-2009, 09:30 PM
can I post this on other scion sites? I really want this to go through. I'm planning on buying both the crankpulley and the alt pulley.
Yes, of course. Feel free to copy/paste this info and post a link that points to this thread, on other forums.
Also, if you don't mind, please post a link here in this thread so we can keep an eye on other threads where this info is copy/pasted. I would appreciate it.
:)
burstaneurysm
01-24-2009, 05:59 AM
I might be interested in finally getting a pulley.
teabox
01-24-2009, 07:43 AM
I posted in those two forums. I really hope this goes through.
Thank you for posting those teabox. Please don't forget, you need to post a link in your threads to point to THIS thread. So people can come here and get more info, ask questions, or sign up if they are interested.
So far it looks like we have two members interested...
1. teabox
2. burstaneurysm
Anyone else?
Ely
01-25-2009, 02:25 PM
Count me in!! I want both the alternator and crank too!
Archngl
01-25-2009, 03:55 PM
damn! I got a perrin already!
NonStopTuning
01-25-2009, 06:52 PM
So far it looks like we have a few members interested...
you guys make lighten pulley for the alternator too?
Ely
01-26-2009, 12:45 AM
You dont make the water pump one for teh xb? Id be all cool to have the 3 matching. Just a sugestion
EAmon
01-26-2009, 12:47 AM
i might be interested
NonStopTuning
01-26-2009, 01:51 AM
you guys make lighten pulley for the alternator too?
Yes, we offer a lightweight alternator pulley as well. You can find this pulley on our website.
:)
NonStopTuning
01-26-2009, 01:55 AM
You dont make the water pump one for teh xb? Id be all cool to have the 3 matching. Just a sugestion
No Ely, we do not offer a WP pulley for the xB.
We offer WP pulleys for the tC, the Yaris, and many other cars... where we have the demand.
To be quite frank and honest... getting support from the xA and xB community has always been like trying to pull teeth for us!!! We have tried to offer the best pulleys, the most options, and the lowest prices for this community over the past few years... and we have received almost zero support.
We simply can not spend on more R&D and more products when there is no support for what we already do offer.
Thanks again for your interest and support, I appreciate it.
:)
Ely
01-26-2009, 02:17 AM
Yeah I hear you there =/ well just its just a thought to put out there. maybe somemore peeps will think its a cool idea....just maybe. =D
NonStopTuning
01-26-2009, 02:36 AM
We would be MORE THAN happy to offer you more pulleys (like alt and wp) at some EXCELLENT prices.
But this requires support from your community. Supply ALWAYS follows real demand.
Let's see if we can make the CR-Lite Crank Pulley GB a reality first. If we can, then we would be more than happy to do more for you guys.
As it stands, we need about 20 dedicated members ready to sign up and pay... we have 3 as of this writing.
Anyone else?!
teabox
01-26-2009, 03:59 AM
I'll be transferring some names over here from team-ist.net once confirmed.
Bump for a STELLAR product. NST gear is in use on both my scions!
teabox
01-27-2009, 04:38 AM
Mike, can you put down Doulish and Nick (wants silver) from team-ist.net?
I'm hustling here.
NonStopTuning
01-27-2009, 05:00 AM
Mike, can you put down Doulish and Nick (wants silver) from team-ist.net?
I'm hustling here.
Sure thing teabox, I will add them here. PLEASE be sure to keep them in the loop, especially if/when we get enough people to start requesting payments.
Another couple points that I think are fair to mention...
A. NST has been building pulleys for the Scion brand of cars, ESPECIALLY the tC, longer than any other brand, and we now offer more pulleys for the line of Scion cars than all other brands combined.
We offer the following for the tC...
CR-Lite Crank Pulley, Underdrive Crank Pulley, Overdrive Alternator Pulley, WP-Lite Water Pump Pulley, Overdrive TRD SC Pulleys.
The following for the xA/xB...
CR-Lite Crank Pulley, ALT-Lite Alternator Pulley.
And the following for xD...
Underdrive Crank Pulley
B. You can check the following forums for info regarding NST...
Add my name on there for the crank and alt pulleys.
...curious, how will this group buy affect the price tag for both CR and ALT pulleys?
I also posted this in the North Houston Scikotics mods forum. I'll see if I can get a few of them to join in as well.
Malaclypse
02-12-2009, 06:35 PM
Sign me up too. Looks like a great deal on a great pulley.
OakToddler
02-12-2009, 07:22 PM
You are selling them on ebay, too?
I am getting confused.
NonStopTuning
02-12-2009, 07:34 PM
You are selling them on ebay, too?
I am getting confused.
We have ONE RED pulley in stock at the moment, this one pulley is on ebay for anyone who does not want to join this list and pray and hope that this GB happens.
This feeler thread is to see if there is enough interest from the community to offer you a BADASS product, at an amazing price, and offer you a choice of almost any color you want.
Thank you for the interest so far ladies and gentlemen.
For everyone else, please copy and paste the latest list and add your name to the bottom if you are interested.
:)
OakToddler
02-12-2009, 09:41 PM
:blah:
NonStopTuning
02-12-2009, 10:49 PM
:blah:
Exactly the type of attitude that xB owners need to show, and the type of great enthusiasm that makes aftermarket companies want to support your community!
Great job :clap:
OakToddler
02-12-2009, 10:56 PM
Oh, relax.
No harm meant.
I did not even post the ebay thread on this post out of respect.
Somebody here who doesn't want to wait will probably pick it up on ebay.
Thank you for the interest so far ladies and gentlemen.
For everyone else, please copy and paste the latest list and add your name to the bottom if you are interested.
I've got a couple of the N. Houston Scikos interested in the pulley(s). Hopefully, I can get them committed enough to put their names on the list. I think as we get closer to this becoming a reality, it might be easier to get them on board, especially since you guys are local which should eliminate shipping charges.
I've also got a couple of the xB2 and tC owners interested in your pulleys for their cars as well. I'll send them your way.
Thank you for the interest so far ladies and gentlemen.
For everyone else, please copy and paste the latest list and add your name to the bottom if you are interested.
I've got a couple of the N. Houston Scikos interested in the pulley(s). Hopefully, I can get them committed enough to put their names on the list. I think as we get closer to this becoming a reality, it might be easier to get them on board, especially since you guys are local which should eliminate shipping charges.
I've also got a couple of the xB2 and tC owners interested in your pulleys for their cars as well. I'll send them your way.
Thank you sir, I certainly do appreciate the help and support :clap:
NonStopTuning
02-13-2009, 06:38 PM
x2 on a crank and alt pulley deal
We'll definitely offer such a package as we get closer to having enough people (20 members) on this list.
I heard it from my friend UV7 here, hes one heck of a guy
HoldFastHope
02-20-2009, 05:28 AM
ive been watching this thread for a while and i'd be on board if this would take-off already. My impatience may get to me in the next week and buy another pulley...or not. But people should get on this.
burstaneurysm
02-20-2009, 03:35 PM
The more people who get on the list, the faster it happens...
NonStopTuning
02-20-2009, 09:24 PM
The more people who get on the list, the faster it happens...
Correct! And we seem to be getting close now :)
boxman27
02-21-2009, 12:32 AM
cool sign me up for one just let me know how and when to pay
All NST Pulleys are designed, developed, manufactured, and tested in HOUSTON TEXAS USA.
:)
teabox
03-12-2009, 01:15 AM
i'm going to pay the last 5 people to join this GB, cuz I'm getting cranky.
lol
Grant314
03-12-2009, 01:23 PM
...cuz I'm getting cranky.
lol
No pun intended, right? :rofl:
NonStopTuning
03-12-2009, 11:49 PM
UPDATE MARCH 12, 2009
Ok everyone, it looks like we are at 15 members. Please read carefully...
Please follow the link bellow to submit your payments BEFORE MAR 30, 2009. All payments must come in before production can begin, so the sooner the funds are in, the sooner we can start.
PLEASE BE SURE TO LOOK FOR A LINK AT THE END OF THE ORDERING PROCESS THAT ASKS FOR YOUR COLOR CHOICE AND SCREEN NAME. It is your responsibility to include this info. No info, no paid tag.
Production will require roughly six weeks from start to finish, so please do not add your name if you can not wait patiently while pulleys are produced. Production takes quite a while, and this is the reason you are all being offered such a large discount.
This payment page will be available until March 30, and anyone who is interested can submit payments between now and then, including new members who would like to join this GB. In fact, we need about five more names!
Those of you who would like to add an alternator pulley can also do so on this page, and you will find that we have even offered you a discount on the alt pulley.
I will update this thread with PAID tags as payments are processed.
Future updates will be provided on PAGE 1 of this thread :)
:)
teabox
03-13-2009, 06:53 AM
sweet. Gives me time to decide which color to get.
I'll update the other threads I posted this in.
NonStopTuning
03-13-2009, 06:04 PM
sweet. Gives me time to decide which color to get.
I'll update the other threads I posted this in.
Thank you teabox!
:clap:
NonStopTuning
03-14-2009, 07:07 PM
So far it looks like we have one member that has paid...
Anyone else? :)
teabox
03-15-2009, 06:13 AM
From team-ist.net, Nick wants to purchase the crank pulley. He doesn't have an account on scionlife.
http://team-ist.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3044
Don't worry about me. I'll post my order before the 30th.
NonStopTuning
03-15-2009, 10:47 PM
From team-ist.net, Nick wants to purchase the crank pulley. He doesn't have an account on scionlife.
http://team-ist.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3044
Don't worry about me. I'll post my order before the 30th.
Members from other forums simply need to read the following and click on the link bellow to submit their payments... They should be sure to include their forum names (the name they signed up with on the GB list) and include their color preference....
UPDATE MARCH 12, 2009
Ok everyone, it looks like we are at 15 members. Please read carefully...
Please follow the link bellow to submit your payments BEFORE MAR 30, 2009. All payments must come in before production can begin, so the sooner the funds are in, the sooner we can start.
PLEASE BE SURE TO LOOK FOR A LINK AT THE END OF THE ORDERING PROCESS THAT ASKS FOR YOUR COLOR CHOICE AND SCREEN NAME. It is your responsibility to include this info. No info, no paid tag.
Production will require roughly six weeks from start to finish, so please do not add your name if you can not wait patiently while pulleys are produced. Production takes quite a while, and this is the reason you are all being offered such a large discount.
This payment page will be available until March 30, and anyone who is interested can submit payments between now and then, including new members who would like to join this GB. In fact, we need about five more names!
Those of you who would like to add an alternator pulley can also do so on this page, and you will find that we have even offered you a discount on the alt pulley.
I will update this thread with PAID tags as payments are processed.
Future updates will be provided on PAGE 1 of this thread :)
UV7
03-19-2009, 02:43 PM
...updated North Houston Chapter of Scikotics.
I'll have payment headed your way shortly.
...just curious. If we're local, do we still need to pay the $9 for shipping?
Rowdy_xB
03-22-2009, 11:34 PM
If were not on the list can we still order??
spr0k3t
03-23-2009, 04:44 AM
This looks interesting. I may be interested in the group buy if it's still avail.
Malaclypse
03-23-2009, 03:06 PM
I'll be making my payment in the next couple of days
teabox
03-23-2009, 04:53 PM
rowdy and sprocket, you can join the GB. The more people there are, the better. =)
NonStopTuning
03-24-2009, 12:01 AM
Guys, the GB is still available and we need a few more members.
Unfortunately we have only ONE person who has submitted payment thus far. Payments need to come in if this GB is going to become a reality.
The price listed on page one includes FREE shipping. We can ship a pulley to your door, or local guys can come and pick up at our Houston showroom.
Thanks again everyone :)
spr0k3t
03-24-2009, 02:16 AM
Thanks guys... This is a mod I would like to get in on for my box. So give me a couple days and I'll have a payment in.
I do have a question though... what happens if this GB doesn't make, is there a refund or option to purchase final product at a discount for early payment? Not trying to doubt, just cautious is all.
NonStopTuning
03-24-2009, 05:46 AM
If this GB does not happen, those who may have submitted payment will be offered one of two options...
a) refund
b) credit towards purchase of product at normal price.
We should not have a problem with payments... considering the amount of time this thread was up, the amount of info that has been provided, and the number of people who added their names to the list as committed members.
A few more days and we'll know for sure :)
OakToddler
03-25-2009, 02:54 AM
All this effort and hustling.
I hope they all come through.
What a waste of time if not.
GEEZ.
OakToddler
03-25-2009, 03:05 AM
On the NST website. Is there a belt guide for the first gen. xB?
I noticed you only had the 2nd gen listed for belts.
burstaneurysm
03-25-2009, 03:34 AM
All this effort and hustling.
I hope they all come through.
What a waste of time if not.
GEEZ.Or you could just stop being so negative.
NonStopTuning
03-25-2009, 04:51 AM
All this effort and hustling.
I hope they all come through.
What a waste of time if not.
GEEZ.Or you could just stop being so negative.
It's really very simple... We are offering an EXCELLENT product at an AMAZING price. We have a group of people who have added their names to a list which suggests that they are committed to completing a transaction and solidifying their places on this list by a closing date which has been set forth.
If the community wants this item, they will come through. If not, they wont... and we will know to take our services and efforts elsewhere...
We'll see what happens.
OakToddler
03-25-2009, 11:06 AM
Any info on your belt guide for xb 1 gen. on your NST website?
NonStopTuning
03-25-2009, 05:01 PM
The pulleys that we list for the first gen xB are OEM diameter, lightweight pulleys, hence they are compatible with the OEM belts. No need to worry about a belt change.
This info has also been listed in the first post of this thread, from the first day I started this thread :)
teabox
03-25-2009, 05:37 PM
I dunno if I was seeing things, but I thought the crank was 89? Or has it been the price that it is listed on the link?
UV7
03-25-2009, 08:45 PM
I dunno if I was seeing things, but I thought the crank was 89? Or has it been the price that it is listed on the link?
No, you're correct. I saw the same $89 price tag a week or two ago. That's why I had asked about the shipping cost in my previous post as NST is local for me. Originally, the 1st post mentioned $89 + roughly $9 shipping. Either way, the current $99 tag with free shipping is still roughly the same price as it would have been at $89 + shipping.
NST,
Payment has been made for the crank pulley. I'm going to wait on the Alt pulley due to the fact that I'll be replacing my alternator soon for a HO alternator and am unsure how they will handle a warranty on the new alternator in the event of a problem if I've swapped the pulley. If I decide to purchase the alternator pulley later, will they still be available in the same choices of colors, or will they be limited to your usual red and graphite colors?
PETERY2KRABBIT
03-26-2009, 05:32 PM
almost forgot about this thread.
Sent payment today.
cmon every pay up!
cantuski
03-27-2009, 01:40 AM
i made paynemt tonight,
and i was just wonderin if i needed to add anymore info for the buy if all i got was a alt. pulley.
i heard that i needed to add a color and screen name.. i didn't see a link for space for that..
i was just curious..
spr0k3t
03-27-2009, 03:01 AM
Another one to add to the list as paid. How many we got so far?
spr0k3t
03-27-2009, 03:04 AM
i heard that i needed to add a color and screen name.. i didn't see a link for space for that.. i was just curious..
There was a link in the last section of the payment process. You had to hit the "+". The spot after you confirmed the cart and before you hit the "Pay Now" near the shipping information.
teabox
03-27-2009, 05:34 AM
Payment has been placed. =)
cantuski
03-28-2009, 02:50 PM
hey a question for the NST tuning ppl, i was just curious if u could check to see if my order for the Alt. pulley went through, i payed and everthing but i didnt specify a color or enter my screen name like it said, i couldnt find the area to. If you could let me know that would be greatly appreciated.
Doulish
03-29-2009, 03:32 AM
Payment placed .
Malaclypse
03-30-2009, 06:08 PM
Payment has been made.
teabox
03-31-2009, 08:52 PM
Is the payment deadline going to be extended?
PETERY2KRABBIT
04-01-2009, 04:11 PM
any updates?
UV7
04-01-2009, 04:40 PM
8 paid so far by my count. I am hoping others did as well, but didn't bother to post stating "paid".
NST, can you give us an update on how many payments have been made and where we stand with the GB? It would really suck for us to have gone through all of this excitement only to find that we sent payment for nothing because a few didn't follow through.
NonStopTuning
04-01-2009, 07:30 PM
8 paid so far by my count. I am hoping others did as well, but didn't bother to post stating "paid".
NST, can you give us an update on how many payments have been made and where we stand with the GB? It would really suck for us to have gone through all of this excitement only to find that we sent payment for nothing because a few didn't follow through.
Thank you for the payments so far guys. I have updated page one with the most current paid list so far.
There are a couple of payments which have no SCREEN NAME and COLOR CHOICES. If you think you are one of these people, you need to call us at 281-917-0221 or PM me with your FULL name and your address so that I can check and see if I have your payment.
Unfortunately we do not have enough payments to move forward with production at this point... This leaves us with two options...
1. Cancel the whole thing...
2. Extend the due date a little further out and hope that people submit their payments...
We are considering these two options as we speak. Those of you who have added your name to our list should seriously consider making payments ASAP if you want this GB to become a reality.
Thanks again everyone :)
weezyfbayba
04-02-2009, 01:07 AM
yo nst is this GB for the xa? let me know i might be interested to help this go threw! its an 04 xa btw
NonStopTuning
04-02-2009, 03:30 AM
yo nst is this GB for the xa? let me know i might be interested to help this go threw! its an 04 xa btw
Yes, this crank pulley is also compatible with the xA :)
UV7
04-02-2009, 01:10 PM
I'm pretty sure Cantuski submitted payment. I'll shoot him a PM and let him know to give you a call. I know he was saying he missed the "Screen Name and Color" portion of the process.
Hopefully, we can make the GB happen.
spr0k3t
04-02-2009, 05:57 PM
Thank you for the payments so far guys. I have updated page one with the most current paid list so far.
Unfortunately we do not have enough payments to move forward with production at this point... This leaves us with two options...
1. Cancel the whole thing...
2. Extend the due date a little further out and hope that people submit their payments...
If you guys move to cancel, I'm still going to go ahead with this on my end with or without the group buy. It would be great if the GB did make though. If the GB is extended though, I may throw in another chunk to get the alt pulley as well.
UV7
04-03-2009, 04:06 AM
Ditto. If the group buy falls through, I still would like to get the pulley, even at the regular price.
Grant314
04-07-2009, 04:20 PM
Well, it's been over 3 weeks since this turned into a gb, and a week past the original payment deadline. I would think that anyone who was going to pay would have done so by now. Shall we move forward, or does everyone want to wait longer? I can't sleep at night b/c of this...and when I can sleep, I have nightmares about my car having too much rotating mass.
burstaneurysm
04-07-2009, 04:30 PM
Damn. I forgot all about this deadline.
I hate to do this to you all, but in the last week I snagged a parking ticket (which is bogus, but I can't fight it) and my insurance is screwing me around over an eye doctor visit, so my pulley money is tied up ATM.
If I can resolve this soon, I'll make my payment, but I don't know how quickly that will happen.
UV7
04-07-2009, 05:18 PM
Damn. I forgot all about this deadline.
I hate to do this to you all, but in the last week I snagged a parking ticket (which is bogus, but I can't fight it) and my insurance is screwing me around over an eye doctor visit, so my pulley money is tied up ATM.
If I can resolve this soon, I'll make my payment, but I don't know how quickly that will happen.
Unless you've got another 10 or so people in your pocket, all with xBs, all interested in a set of pulleys for said xBs, all with their funds, ready to go, I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Something tells me this GB isn't going any further than it already has.
Either way, NST can apply my payment toward the regular price of the pulley and let me know how much of a balance I still owe. I still intend on purchasing this pulley, Group Buy or not.
PETERY2KRABBIT
04-07-2009, 05:28 PM
^^^ i feel the same, either way i still want the pulley.
spr0k3t
04-07-2009, 05:52 PM
I've been thinking about this and I want to modify my order to include the alt pulley as well. I'll post and pay later this evening.
NonStopTuning
04-07-2009, 06:21 PM
Thank you for the continued support guys.
We have decided to extend the payment due date by a bit. So anyone else who is interested should try to submit payment ASAP. The deadline has been pushed to APRIL 22, 2009. This will be our final payment deadline.
A lot of people signed up and made commitments... We (NST) made a commitment to offer your community an excellent product and a greatly discounted price... You (members who signed up here) made a commitment to pay and come through on their promises... In a professional environment, everyone needs to keep their promises.
Per the instructions in the original post of this thread, we need payments to come in before we can begin production.
Here's to hoping that happens soon.
Ely
04-10-2009, 01:26 AM
Alrighty Ely is paid up for both the alt. and crank! sorry I forgot about this =/
NonStopTuning
04-14-2009, 04:37 PM
Thank you Ely :)
Domo
04-14-2009, 04:40 PM
you should have a feeler for tCs
172
04-14-2009, 06:08 PM
NST, i email you regarding water pump pulley but i have not got a reply yet.
UV7
04-21-2009, 04:12 PM
Well, here we are again getting very close to the payment deadline. So how many do we have so far? It still looks like we've only got a handful of the 16 or so that originally committed.
Any updates?
spr0k3t
04-21-2009, 04:43 PM
Oh snap! Thanks for bumping this thread up UV7... I almost forgot to dip in the extra for the alt pulley.
Hey Mikey... mark me down for Paid X2!
NonStopTuning
04-22-2009, 01:51 AM
Yes sir, only a handful have paid. Page one has the full list of members who have -PAID- thus far.
cantuski
04-22-2009, 02:39 AM
I paid, but on page 1 it still shows me as unpaid..
UV7
04-23-2009, 05:07 PM
Well, it's now 4/23 and the deadline has passed.
Did we get any closer or are we still stuck at the 9 or so people who paid?
spr0k3t
04-24-2009, 01:58 PM
Bump.
Grant314
04-27-2009, 06:13 PM
How come when I view this thread, I hear crickets chirping in the background?
teabox
04-27-2009, 10:48 PM
^ =(
172
04-28-2009, 11:53 AM
How come when I view this thread, I hear crickets chirping in the background?
i'm not surprise now, since NST do not reply to emails as what they did last time.
Domo
04-28-2009, 04:22 PM
How come when I view this thread, I hear crickets chirping in the background?
x2..i was expecting to get a response for my comment
UV7
04-28-2009, 08:40 PM
Come on, guys. NST has a business to run and may not have the extra free time to be browsing ScionLife on a daily basis. I know for a fact that these guys are very dedicated to supporting the import and drift scenes, as they are out in full force at just about every event in the Southeast Texas area.
They've offered 1st gen xB owners a Group Buy opportunity to "feel out" the potential for a product line. Several people took advantage of the opportunity, but only a handful chose to make good on their obligation involved with the Group Buy. NST chose to give the potential buyers involved in the Group Buy the benefit of the doubt and extended the deadline by a few weeks. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like all the buyers have followed through.
My guess is that the Group Buy is a no-go. I am sure we will hear a firm answer from NST shortly, and those of us who contributed will either be refunded our payment or have it applied to the purchase at full price.
From a business perspective, hanging around in a forum full of individuals who have proven themselves NOT to be a likely customer is a waste of time. I am sure they will spend their time among an audience with a proven purchase potential.
Grant314
04-28-2009, 11:53 PM
UV7, I don't disagree with any of that, but I think that the $100 of mine that they currently possess has at least purchased me the right to comment on the tardiness of their response to this group buy, regardless of its outcome. A prompt response to paying customers is not too much to ask for.
PETERY2KRABBIT
04-29-2009, 12:51 PM
it is past the new deadline so there we should be given an answer.
i am willing to pay the full amount so i just want to know what is going on.
Grant314
05-05-2009, 12:10 AM
:tap: No response to PMs or emails...
Countdown to PayPal dispute initialized...
Launching in 5....4....3....
UV7
05-05-2009, 01:59 PM
I called and left a voicemail regarding the 1st gen GB. Hopefully, it will get some attention.
I may swing by their shop this week if we haven't heard anything.
NonStopTuning
05-05-2009, 11:57 PM
Come on, guys. NST has a business to run and may not have the extra free time to be browsing ScionLife on a daily basis. I know for a fact that these guys are very dedicated to supporting the import and drift scenes, as they are out in full force at just about every event in the Southeast Texas area.
They've offered 1st gen xB owners a Group Buy opportunity to "feel out" the potential for a product line. Several people took advantage of the opportunity, but only a handful chose to make good on their obligation involved with the Group Buy. NST chose to give the potential buyers involved in the Group Buy the benefit of the doubt and extended the deadline by a few weeks. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like all the buyers have followed through.
My guess is that the Group Buy is a no-go. I am sure we will hear a firm answer from NST shortly, and those of us who contributed will either be refunded our payment or have it applied to the purchase at full price.
From a business perspective, hanging around in a forum full of individuals who have proven themselves NOT to be a likely customer is a waste of time. I am sure they will spend their time among an audience with a proven purchase potential.
Thank you sir. You have hit the nail on the head on all of your points there.
:bow:
Update coming in five minutes or less...
NonStopTuning
05-06-2009, 12:02 AM
Whats going on here? Updates are always shown as necessary.
As listed on our website, and as listed in our blog section, we were in Anaheim California for the past week or so at the D1GP USA. We participate in this series... www.d1gp.com. Unfortunately this means business as usual is slowed a tad bit.
As I stated on page 1, we need all payments to come through before we can move along with production. The sooner the payments come in, the sooner we can begin. All -PAID- tags are also updated on page 1 of this thread, and the current list reflects all the payments. Unfortunately a large number of people have committed, yet very few have actually followed through on those commitments.
If you forget to include all the necessary info, you need to contact us and provide all the necessary info so that we can include you. Some of you forget to include the necessary info and then send incomplete messages which are very very unclear. It is your responsibility to provide sufficient information with your order so that I can mark you as paid. Not very difficult ladies and gentlemen.
No one is here to steal from you, and I take such accusations very insulting and hard to accept.
This is a GB and requires proper cooperation from all sides involved. Much of the role is played by you, the community. We are here to offer you a great product, but you need to do your parts as well.
As stated on page 1, this process will take a long time, and I will not have updates for you each and every day, but I am here and very easy to find. Please take that into consideration before jumping to conclusions and spreading bad information.
Anyone who is unhappy can have their order canceled, and a full refund issued. Otherwise, those who want to join the list, make payments, wait for others to make payments, and wait patiently for production to continue, can do so.
I find the negative and unnecessary comments very hurtful.
As it stands, we have very few people on our paid list...
This leads us to two options...
1. Cancel the GB and issue full refunds (which I have NO PROBLEM doing immediately)
2. Allow members more time to pay and make the GB possible.
We will make a decision on this within the next 24hrs. It is not looking good right now.
Many thanks to those who have followed through with their commitments and have been patient while we have been waiting for those who are sitting on the sidelines.
spr0k3t
05-06-2009, 05:10 AM
I'll stand behind my purchase Mike. As I stated earlier, if the GB does not happen, I'll put together some more funds for the full price of both pieces. Just don't forget to mark me down for the crank + alternator since I placed the extra order for that.
So far, NST has been fantastic. I've seen their work and I've been impressed. Thanks for posting the update.
Grant314
05-06-2009, 01:22 PM
Thanks for the update Mike. I apologize if you found my comments offensive, but nobody accused you of trying to steal. All comments were just pointing out your lack of response for a 2 week period following the passing of the payment deadline. Its not a big deal, you obviously had higher priority things to attend to that we were unaware of. I too would like to purchase at full price if this GB dies.
NonStopTuning
05-07-2009, 12:32 AM
UPDATE MAY 6, 2009
We expect to begin production early next week, and hope to have some pulleys available for you guys in about SIX weeks. Current ETA: Late June 2009.
Future updates will be provided on page 1 as we move along with production.
spr0k3t
05-07-2009, 01:21 PM
Now I'm getting pumped... thanks for the update Mike!
teabox
05-07-2009, 04:52 PM
=D
Grant314
05-08-2009, 12:40 AM
A couple of great threads on NST pulleys and pulleys in general:
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=248746
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=122725
NonStopTuning
05-08-2009, 12:45 AM
A couple of great threads on NST pulleys and pulleys in general:
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=248746
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=122725
Excellent threads with some very useful information.
spr0k3t
06-11-2009, 07:20 PM
Anyone know of a DIY install posted somewhere with good pictures.
And with regards to the discussion regarding harmonics and vibrations towards the end of that thread...
I would suggest reading through the thousands of customer reviews from people who have owned NST pulleys. Their real world experiences, comments, and feedback vary considerably from the theoretical text book arguments that some post on the forums.
Thousands of user reviews from NST customers... No cases of engine failure...
I understand that your cars are a very large investment for all of you and I prefer that you be intelligent and informed about all your modifications. So here we go... Please take a few minutes to read everything I have posted here, as I worked hard on trying to give you a good explanation on the topic...
In the past many engines were externally balanced. There was an external balancer attached to the outside of the engine, on the crank snout, used to balance the engine externally. The crank pulley in such engines would then be attached to this balancer. Removal of this balancer is a bad idea. These balancers were most often used on large (6 to 8) V shaped engines of the domestic muscle car era.
Take a look at any modern (1980s and beyond) Honda, Toyota, Nissan, or other japanese inline 4 and you will find no such balancer. These engines are all internally balanced, and this process has improved even further since the late 1990s. So the topic of a BALANCER does not apply here.
What you will find on ALL engines is a harmonic damper. This is a small rubber band, litterally less than 2mm, less than 1/8th of an inch, thick that is built into the crank pulley. OEM crank pulleys are often called DAMPERS. Try placing an order for a crank pulley at your Toyota dealer and your invoice will read damper. This rubber is used to absorb something called NVH, noise/vibration/harshness. Suffice it to say, this rubber is actually not very good at performing its intended purpose after as little as a few thousand miles. What happens to rubber after a couple years of humidity, weather, snow, rain, etc? It often becomes brittle, hard, and crunchy. Can something with these properties actually absorb vibrations very well?
Many many NST customers, including people on your own forums, have reported smoother running engines with NST pulleys. Especially at idle. How is this possible if the rubber is such a vital and super important piece??? Perhaps the rubber is not as important as it is cracked up to be???
Furthermore....
On the topic of the rubber damper, engine vibrations, or possible threats resulting from elimination of this rubber piece...
On a relatively understressed near stock motor with bolt ons or low amounts of boost like what most of the people on this forum probably run, a solid pulley will not have any life threatening consiquences. The factory pulley with a 2mm (less than a 1/8th inch) damper is primarily there for wide band NVH (noise vibration harshness) supression from the engine and driveline. Removing the damper and replacing it with a solid pulley may lead to minor addtional NVH but will not harm the engine. In fact, most people claim their engines seem to run smoother with NST pulleys.
The engineering reasons are that most modern engines have a short, strong crank with, a relatively high natural frequency. The dangerous second harmonic that can cause damage occurs at an rpm that this sort of engine will never see, in the area above 10,000 rpm. Even the stock damper is not tuned for attinuation at this sort of rpm so the argument is somewhat of a moot point.
Now small engines that are pushing the limit with lots of revs, wimpy cranks, super long strokes, lots of boost and dwelling in the upper rpm ranges for long periods of time can benefit from a damper designed to deal with this sort of operation but our engine is not like this, and probably very few people with this motor on this forum push the envelope that hard. How many 1.5Liter, 400HP, 12,000RPM motors do we have on these forums?
As far as I can tell, our engine has a strong and stiff bottom end that is well built for our intended use. It has an internaly balanced crankshaft which is less like to break due to torsional vibration.
There are a lot of Toyota & Nissan guys who use underdrive crank pulleys in road racing series like NASA or SCCA. Road racing is much more punishing on an engine than other motorsports. The engine is subjected to run times lasting 23 to 45 minutes with the engine always in the upper ranges of its rpm limit. One race weekend is the equivlent of hundreds of 1/4 mile passes.
NST sponsors the first ever wheel to wheel Scion tC NASA Road Race car. This car has been using underdrive pulleys from NST with great results since day one.
NST also sponsors several drift cars participating in the professional US drift series, Fromula Drift and D1 Grand Prix. These cars have been using NST pulleys with no issues of any kind for the past few seasons.
We could go on and on...
Is a solid crank pulley harmless to all engines? No it is not. Small, super high reving engines, when modified way past the simple bolt on stages may have problems. These engines reach critcal harmonics, past the 10,000 rpm range, an rpm often reached by certain race engines.
A mildly modded inline six will most likely be fine but one subjected to high rpm for long periods of time (90% of its life) with lots of boost will probably suffer. In this case , the stock balancer/damper is probably not adequate either.
Some of the older american V8 engines are externaly balanced and it is critical not to use a solid hub pulley not designed for these applications, or damage to the engine could result.
Our engines and most around here do not fall into the above catagories. Rest assured that your engines will not blow up and die or have a reduced life in street and even racing use with these parts.
I would bet that every "expert" that tells you otherwise has little personal, practical, real world experience with the subject.
Again, I understand that your cars are a very large investment and that you depend on them as your daily means of transportation, so I do not take your questions personally. However, this is probably the tenth time I have addresed this on ScionLife. If I have to post this info once a month in this same thread, I will continue to do so. I do not take pride in building junk. No NST product is junk. No NST product is designed to cause you any harm or grief. I am not in business to sell junk. PERIOD.
Many thanks to those of you who have supported our brand and our products over the past few years. Good luck and have fun with all your projects!
teabox
06-20-2009, 04:31 AM
=D
Any updates on production?
Rickman223
06-21-2009, 12:40 AM
Whats the deal on this? I kind of want one but ive read production has already started. Any chance i could possibly get one after?
NonStopTuning
06-21-2009, 07:03 PM
Whats the deal on this? I kind of want one but ive read production has already started. Any chance i could possibly get one after?
Yes, production has already started and is almost complete. We plan to start shipping out to our GB customers within the next 12-14 days.
We have built a few extra pieces (red and gray) and anyone else who may be interested in placing an order for one of these pulleys can do so on our website...
http://www.nonstoptuning.com/pKitToySciXB.htm
:)
spr0k3t
06-22-2009, 07:23 PM
(Free Bump)
Hey Mike, you forgot to update the first post. For all the others out there sitting on the fence for this... doooo eeeet!
NonStopTuning
06-22-2009, 10:48 PM
Thank you spr0k3t :)
teabox
07-07-2009, 03:29 AM
=D
the wait will soon be over.
NonStopTuning
07-07-2009, 06:52 PM
Yes! Soon :)
UV7
07-08-2009, 06:25 PM
Mike, if it's possible, could you post whenever the pulleys arrive. Rather than ship mine, I'd be happy to swing by and pick it up. NST is not too far from my work. That should save you a couple of $$.
spr0k3t
07-08-2009, 07:05 PM
MOAR POWA!!1 Man I can't wait.
PETERY2KRABBIT
07-13-2009, 08:56 PM
man, i forgot that i ordered this.
can't wait to get!
Anyone know where i can get it installed in NJ?
UV7
07-13-2009, 08:56 PM
...any word? I thought I smelled some pulleys. lol
spr0k3t
07-14-2009, 01:14 AM
Omm nom nom nom... Throttle response good. Super friends bad! </alleman grundy>
Damn I can't wait for these to come in... the i/h/e setup with this should be absolutely sick.
seriously, we need a specific date when our pulleys(not the extras) will be shipped? I keep hearing "soon" or "by so and so day/week" and nothing happens. It makes me question myself if our money is just being used as an investment for NST's finances. So my question is, when will the GB customers be receiving their pulley's? Any tracking number's and by which service provider?
Lets just get this over with. =)
UV7
07-22-2009, 01:26 PM
Just let me know when the pulleys arrive.
I'll happily swing by your shop and grab mine if that's convenient for you. It'll save you the hassle and cost of shipping.
teabox
07-30-2009, 05:55 AM
=/
UV7
07-30-2009, 04:09 PM
Man, the crickets just get louder and louder in here, don't they?
I guess having the pulley prior to IFO isn't happening.:cry:
spr0k3t
08-02-2009, 04:55 PM
Bump.
UV7
08-03-2009, 05:37 PM
NST is hosting an "AE86 Day" on Aug. 6th.
If we have not heard anything by then, I will drive over there during lunch and check up on the status of our pulleys.
I'll keep everyone posted as to the outcome.
spr0k3t
08-03-2009, 10:46 PM
NST is hosting an "AE86 Day" on Aug. 6th.
If we have not heard anything by then, I will drive over there during lunch and check up on the status of our pulleys.
I'll keep everyone posted as to the outcome.
If you do that be cool about it as these guys didn't have to do the group buy for the few people who signed on to begin with. Granted they have my money and I'd like to hear what the holdup is, I just don't want it to turn sour for anyone who is involved, company or consumer alike. So enjoy the AE86 Day for what it is and tell the guys the groupbuy from SL is getting weirded out a little from the lack of real status information. Seriously, I'd be cool with "we don't have an estimated time as there is a higher priority order ahead of yours". Nevertheless, thanks for checking on this.
Mike: When you can post next, just let us know what the hold up is right now. An educated consumer is better than one left in the dark.
NonStopTuning
08-05-2009, 08:51 PM
There is absolutely no higher priority order holding these pieces up.
This is the reality... we offered a large discount to a very small group of people (many of whom signed up and then decided to jump off the bandwagon) so that we could build some nice pieces for you. You were offered a very nice discount in exchange for your patience and the long wait time was made clear from the start.
Unfortunately we have had a few hold-ups and this process has taken longer than I expected. I hate the delay much much much more than you guys do.
If you must insist on an ETA... we can set it now for the end of AUGUST. That means by August 31, 2009. If for some catastrophic string of events the pulleys are not ready by then everyone will receive a full refund.
I have said this many times before, and I will say it again... Anyone who is unhappy with the wait has always had the opportunity to cancel their order and receive a full refund. Those members can then pay full price at a later date, or buy one of the other higher priced pieces from a competitor. If you want the highest quality piece possible, at the lowest price ever, then this GB is for you. I am ALWAYS only a phone call or an IM away. You all have my info if you wish to chat with me personally.
I certainly do appreciate the support of our brand and our products from the few who have shown serious interest and support. I hope that you can stick it out a bit longer while we work with the pieces on the machines. We will have some very nice pieces for you no later than the end of this month.
Good luck and have fun with all your projects everyone.
P.S. anyone who would like to stop by for the 86 meet to enjoy the afternoon and chit chat with 86 owners is welcome to do so.
UV7
08-05-2009, 09:04 PM
There is absolutely no higher priority order holding these pieces up.
This is the reality... we offered a large discount to a very small group of people (many of whom signed up and then decided to jump off the bandwagon) so that we could build some nice pieces for you. You were offered a very nice discount in exchange for your patience and the long wait time was made clear from the start.
Unfortunately we have had a few hold-ups and this process has taken longer than I expected. I hate the delay much much much more than you guys do.
If you must insist on an ETA... we can set it now for the end of AUGUST. That means by August 31, 2009. If for some catastrophic string of events the pulleys are not ready by then everyone will receive a full refund.
I have said this many times before, and I will say it again... Anyone who is unhappy with the wait has always had the opportunity to cancel their order and receive a full refund. Those members can then pay full price at a later date, or buy one of the other higher priced pieces from a competitor. If you want the highest quality piece possible, at the lowest price ever, then this GB is for you. I am ALWAYS only a phone call or an IM away. You all have my info if you wish to chat with me personally.
I certainly do appreciate the support of our brand and our products from the few who have shown serious interest and support. I hope that you can stick it out a bit longer while we work with the pieces on the machines. We will have some very nice pieces for you no later than the end of this month.
Good luck and have fun with all your projects everyone.
P.S. anyone who would like to stop by for the 86 meet to enjoy the afternoon and chit chat with 86 owners is welcome to do so.
I plan on swinging by "86 day" anyway, just to check things out for a short bit. I can always stop by TSE Motorsports as well, just to see what's been up. I haven't seen Mic in a while, aside from briefly at Showdown.
See you then!
NonStopTuning
08-05-2009, 10:14 PM
Unfortunately TSE is no longer our neighbor, they have moved. But you are welcome to stop by, say hello, and grab a Red Bull!
lilredrocket
08-06-2009, 03:30 AM
Everyone that ordered a pully will not be disapointed with it! I have their 10% u-drive pully on my Yaris and it is amazing!! Best performance part I have installed on my car!!
lilredrocket
08-06-2009, 03:33 AM
I will be at the AE86 party!! Save me some Red Bull for my long 3.5 hour trip!! (Have you figured out who it is yet Mike?)
UV7
08-06-2009, 01:44 PM
Unfortunately TSE is no longer our neighbor, they have moved. But you are welcome to stop by, say hello, and grab a Red Bull!
Wow! I didn't realize they had moved. ...guess I've been out of touch lately.
I'll probably swing by a little after noon.
UV7
08-23-2009, 10:43 PM
Any news? It's getting close to the end of the month, so I thought I'd follow up.
NonStopTuning
08-24-2009, 07:09 PM
Any news? It's getting close to the end of the month, so I thought I'd follow up.
Pulleys are in production and being worked on, on a daily basis.
spr0k3t
08-24-2009, 10:55 PM
Thanks again Mike for keeping us posted.
UV7
08-26-2009, 02:48 PM
Thanks for the update.
PETERY2KRABBIT
08-28-2009, 10:07 PM
yayyyyyy!!!!! got ship notice today.
NonStopTuning
08-28-2009, 10:23 PM
ALL GROUP BUY PULLEYS SHIPPED OUT TODAY VIA USPS PRIORITY MAIL!!!
Anyone else who may be interested in ordering on of these pulleys can do so here...
http://www.nonstoptuning.com/pKitToySciXAXB.htm
We have a few extra CR-Lite Crank Pulleys in stock and ready for immediate shipping.
Thanks again everyone. Good luck and have fun with all your projects!!!
spr0k3t
08-29-2009, 03:00 PM
OMG WOOOOOOOOOT!!!! I swear... I'll have to get my B dyno'd just for the hell of it. Man I can't wait.
teabox
08-29-2009, 05:13 PM
=D With all the effort and wait, it'll be here soon. Thanks Mike and NST for getting this done and for taking all of our complaints =/
I got something to do during summer break.
NonStopTuning
08-30-2009, 03:38 PM
=D With all the effort and wait, it'll be here soon. Thanks Mike and NST for getting this done and for taking all of our complaints =/
I got something to do during summer break.
Thank you teabox!
Good luck and have fun with your installation, and all your future projects :)
PETERY2KRABBIT
08-31-2009, 03:58 PM
NST, i received my crank pulley today and it had a nick on the outer portion. will this affect the performance of the pulley? if it is no big deal i'll just keep it.
UV7
08-31-2009, 04:44 PM
WOOHOO!!! I'm excited!
Unfortunately for me, I'm at the mercy of USPS, who thought it was a good idea to route my shipment through Albuquerque, NM even though the origin and destination of the shipment are both Houston, TX. :doh:
"Your item was processed through and left our ALBUQUERQUE, NM 87101 facility on August 30, 2009. The item is currently in transit to the destination. Information, if available, is updated periodically throughout the day. Please check again later."
Detailed Results:
http://trkcnfrm1.smi.usps.com/PTSInternetWeb/images/spacer.gif http://trkcnfrm1.smi.usps.com/PTSInternetWeb/images/spacer.gif
http://trkcnfrm1.smi.usps.com/PTSInternetWeb/images/bullet_circle.gif Processed through Sort Facility, August 30, 2009, 9:29 pm, ALBUQUERQUE, NM 87101
http://trkcnfrm1.smi.usps.com/PTSInternetWeb/images/bullet_circle.gif Processed through Sort Facility, August 28, 2009, 7:37 pm, HOUSTON, TX 77201
http://trkcnfrm1.smi.usps.com/PTSInternetWeb/images/bullet_circle.gif Electronic Shipping Info Received, August 28, 2009
teabox
09-01-2009, 12:05 AM
NST, i received my crank pulley today and it had a nick on the outer portion. will this affect the performance of the pulley? if it is no big deal i'll just keep it.
That nick/notch is for timing alignment. I have the same too.
But dang, got the pulley today and its sooooooo nice.
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/36/l_b224d5b2559a486297b4097aa5a3200c.jpg
Ely
09-01-2009, 12:21 AM
Woooo! finally got em! dang this alt pulley is all tiny! lol hah dont throw the box away! I found the bag of m&ms im eating right now in there!! haha looks sooper sick! thank you! hah UV7...dont you know they had to drop mine off first? lol
spr0k3t
09-01-2009, 03:09 AM
OMG, this is totally rawk! My Ms are all gone! I'm installing both pulleys tomorrow!
Thanks again to everyone from NST... the wait was well worth it.
spr0k3t
09-01-2009, 07:55 PM
They are in (CR and Alt pulley). Definitely a beast to work with that damn cable... but the throttle response is much improved. I'll get pics posted shortly.
Edit... picture time!
From out of the box:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2448/3879380968_dbb8b35786_b.jpg
To, it's still on the box:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2637/3879380976_719d12a24a_b.jpg
Last up... it's on the box.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2627/3879380986_806916bec6_b.jpg
The difference is definitely noticeable on the throttle, even with a fail-o-ma... er automatic tranny.
UV7
09-03-2009, 02:38 PM
Nice pics, Spr0k3t.
My pulley showed up today!!!
This is a beautiful piece, NST! Thanks so much for reaching out to us xB'ers with a great product and a great opportunity! I can't wait to install it tonight!
Here's a pic of mine.
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n49/UV7/NSTPulley002.jpg
PETERY2KRABBIT
09-05-2009, 06:03 PM
im having issues with my pulley.
NST or anyone that can answer my questions, it would most appreciated.
i went to get the crank pulley professionally installed today and there was a big problem.
the mechanic installed it just fine but when he turned the engine on, there was an extreme amount of noise coming from the pulley, like metal on metal.
he immediately turned it off and took the pulley off.
the side that faces the crank, around the inner circle was all scraped.
he asked me if there was any sort of spacer that came with the pulley cause it was rubbing up against the crank case or is it the timing belt case?
i personally placed (not bolted) the NST pulley on the crank and sure enough it is rubbing up against the surrounding metal case.
mechanic measured the depth of the center of the pulley and the stock pulley and the NST pulley was shorter by about a 1/4 inch.
has anyone had this problem?
NST, any suggestions?
UV7
09-05-2009, 06:47 PM
I also ran into a similar problem. I actually ran mine for a very short bit of time to see if the noise was just related to belt chatter (I also replaced my power steering belt during this install). I also noticed that the power steering belt quickly worked its way off the pulley. I thought perhaps that the new belt was just a bit snug and wasn't working its way into the grooves as it should. I took the pulley back off, as well as the belts. The new power steering belt doesn't fit very well into the power steering pulley, nor did the OEM belt that I removed during the initial installation. When I took a close look at the new pulley, I noticed that there was obviously some serious contact being made against the timing cover beneath the crank pulley. I replaced everything back to stock and both my noise issue and the power steering belt alignment issue were gone. I took a few photos before and after that may help in identifying the source of the problems.
Here they are:
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n49/UV7/NSTPulley002-1.jpg
Notice the difference between the inner edges of the stock and NST pulleys. The stock pulley is beveled inward on this edge, most likely to avoid making contact with the timing cover. The NST pulley is not.
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n49/UV7/NSTPulley004.jpg
This photo shows the obvious point of contact on the NST pulley.
Mike @ NST, I would be more than happy to bring my pulley up to your shop some time early next week so you can take a closer look. I also have my OEM PS belt which I can bring so you can see what may be the source of the belt alignment issue. The belt just doesn't quite fit into the track on the pulley and slowly works its way out.
If you'd like me to bring these two to you, please let me know. I'll help any way I can.
PETERY2KRABBIT
09-05-2009, 07:51 PM
UV7, the damage on your after photo is the same as mine.
I went back to the stock pulley as well.
If NST comes up with a solution please let me know.
NonStopTuning
09-07-2009, 10:28 PM
Hey guys, I'm glad to hear that you have received your pulleys, and I'm honestly a bit puzzled to hear/see that some of you are having problems with the installation while others seem to be doing just fine.
I am viewing the forums and posting this message from New Jersey right now! We have been here for the past few days for round 4 of the D1GP USA Pro Drift series. Some of you may know that we run the NST AE86 in the series. I will be back at the office (In Houston) on Thursday...
UV7, please give me a call Thu and stop by if you can. I would be happy to take a look at your pulley and see if there is any modification that we need to make. Anyone else who may be concerned or worried should hold off on the install and CALL ME on THURSDAY so that we can get a "return-for-inspection" authorized for you. We would be happy to take a look at each pulley and make any necessary modifications.
Thanks again everyone!
UV7
09-07-2009, 10:36 PM
Mike, I will do just that! I can swing by your shop on Thursday, around lunchtime, if that is convenient for you. Thanks for taking time out to respond.
Good luck at the D1GP event!
Malaclypse
09-08-2009, 01:22 PM
I had the same grinding when i get mine installed. By the time the sound registered, it had stopped grinding. Looks like it shaved enough off to spin freely. It was getting late by then, so I left it installed. It seems to be running smooth, but I've got a check engine light. The code has to do with timing. Camshaft position actuator something or other. It's running great, but I'm concerned about the timing. Should changing the pulley have had any effect on that?
PETERY2KRABBIT
09-08-2009, 01:39 PM
well mine sheared off the key pin as well as making contact with the case. the sheared pin left a deep gash on the inner circle.
hopefully NST will find a solution when they get back home.
UV7
09-08-2009, 02:17 PM
I highly recommend that everyone hold off on installing the pulley until we have a definitive answer as to what is taking place. I don't think this is going to be a major issue to correct, as the contact seems to be minimal. However, there shouldn't be ANY contact.
I'm taking my pulley up to NST on Thursday afternoon, around lunchtime, and will let Mike take a look. Based on the photos I took, it looks like they may have to machine a little off the inside corner of the pulley, which is where there seems to be some contact. The factory pulley is beveled at this location whereas the NST pulley comes to a 90-degree corner.
Ely
09-09-2009, 03:12 AM
Oh man....I had this same issue with my old AP crank pulley. It would flip the power steering belts over right around 2k. Im scared t even mess with it now. I hope its resolved tho i dont wanna just sit on this sicko pulley i waited months for haha!
UV7
09-10-2009, 07:36 PM
I met with Mike this afternoon regarding the pulley problems. As several others have experienced, my pulley was making contact with the timing cover, which was keeping the pulley out of alignment with the accessories and making noise.
According to Mike, the machine shop apparently missed the fact that the pulley should have been beveled at the inner corner, which is where the pulley was making contact. His original drawings called for that edge to be beveled, but the machine shop apparently overlooked this detail on the drawing.
They are going to send the pulleys back to the machine shop to have the edge beveled which should correct the issue. This will remove the anodized finish from that portion of the pulley, but it will not be visible since this edge will be facing the timing cover.
You can contact Mike @ NST to arrange for the correction of your pulley.
(281)917-0221
PETERY2KRABBIT
09-17-2009, 04:22 AM
NST, no word from you directly?
This really makes me afraid to put it "lightly".
Each kit is carefully crafted from 6061-T6 aircraft aluminum, tested and balanced to high tolerances.
If it was tested you have known that there was a problem.
Can I get a refund please?
teabox
09-17-2009, 06:04 AM
remember, this wasn't NST fault, but the machinist as they forgot to round off the edge.
To get direct contact...
You can contact Mike @ NST to arrange for the correction of your pulley.
(281)917-0221
Mike was going to take care of us, its just a matter of contacting him. =D That's what I'm doing tomorrow
UV7
09-17-2009, 01:20 PM
Just to clarify, these are NOT the first pulleys for an xB to be produced by NST. There have been a handful of others that were designed, tested, and that have run without problems. The pulleys that we received were supposed to have been machined to the same spec. The machine shop screwed up (as they have a tendency to do on a regular basis) and failed to incorporate a bevel at the proper location.
Mike has stated that NST would take care of the situation and I am sure it will be resolved without a problem. As stated before, if you have any concerns with your pulley, contact Mike @ (281)917-0221 to discuss.
UV7
09-23-2009, 07:36 PM
According to Mike, several pulleys have been corrected. I am going to stop by there tomorrow afternoon and pick up my pulley. Unless something else comes up, I will install the pulley tomorrow evening and post the results. I am sure this minor adjustment is all that needed to take place and everything should be working well.
If you still need to have your pulley corrected, give Mike a call.
UV7
09-25-2009, 01:06 AM
I picked up the corrected pulley this afternoon and completed installation this evening. Everything is working fine and the pulley does make a noticeable improvement, especially in the upper RPMs.
Thanks Mike and NST for a great product!!!
NonStopTuning
09-28-2009, 09:43 PM
We have modified all of the pulleys in our inventory, all pulleys are now good to go!
Anyone who has one of these pulleys that needs it to be modified, please contact us by phone and I will get you squared away... 281-917-0221.
Also, anyone else who may be reading this, who missed the group buy, and is interested in picking up one of our pulleys can do so here... http://www.nonstoptuning.com/pKitToySciXAXB.htm
Thanks again everyone, good luck and have fun with all your projects!