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Old Feb 6, 2009 | 06:52 PM
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Default Oregon Bill to Ban Aftermarket Parts

A bill has been introduced to ban all aftermarket parts in Oregon. Read the article then phone/email your State Representative.

Check the AutoBlog.com article

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/06/o...ket-car-parts/
Old Feb 6, 2009 | 06:59 PM
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Wow... I hope it fails because I wanna move to Oregon. lol
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Idiocracy. Heres an idea for you Mr. Kulongoski, why dont you go after the people hotrodding their diesels and dumping out pounds of unburned fuel.
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Originally Posted by Racinkid13
Idiocracy. Heres an idea for you Mr. Kulongoski, why dont you go after the people hotrodding their diesels and dumping out pounds of unburned fuel.
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you can almost see it dripping out the exhaust pipe.
Old Feb 6, 2009 | 07:31 PM
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what a joke - even tho I don't live in OR, it shouldn't be illegal to have a hobby with your vehicle. Americans have been modifying their cars since cars were created so this is ridiculous (just my 2 cents)
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Originally Posted by Racinkid13
Idiocracy. Heres an idea for you Mr. Kulongoski, why dont you go after the people hotrodding their diesels and dumping out pounds of unburned fuel.
Actually the Diesels have less of an impact than Gasoline vehicles. As a former DEQ employee I know that the Diesel smoke falls to the ground as an ash like substance that can be swept up with a simple broom. Where as unburned Gasoline rises into the atmosphere creating our smog ( as well as other pollutants). I'll look around for actual test limits.
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Originally Posted by mattross
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Idiocracy. Heres an idea for you Mr. Kulongoski, why dont you go after the people hotrodding their diesels and dumping out pounds of unburned fuel.
Actually the Diesels have less of an impact than Gasoline vehicles. As a former DEQ employee I know that the Diesel smoke falls to the ground as an ash like substance that can be swept up with a simple broom. Where as unburned Gasoline rises into the atmosphere creating our smog ( as well as other pollutants). I'll look around for actual test limits.
yes, but it doesnt get swept up. it stays on the streets till it rains. Then is mixed in/diluted into the rain water and then down drains and heads off to local creeks, streams, rivers or what have you. Im just pointing out that I dont see the up front reasoning behind this. In most counties here, all cars 1985 and newer must pass emissions, modified or not. And now that they plug the computer in, any code the computer throws, the car is automatically failed. Why not merely expand this to state if he is this gungho on going green? Banning aftermarket tires wont have a credible impact. there are probably 101 other directions he can go for getting green cars. This seems more of a gateway bill so that he can get his foot in the door and carry out his alterior motives.
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someone should send this link to Kulongoski
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Well... You have to remember that Oregon is also one of only two states (the other being NJ) that doesn't even trust people to pump fuel into their own cars.

Last time I was there (December) the mouthbreather at the Chevron station we stopped at for fuel clanked the nozzle on the side of my vehicle, and slopped gasoline on the side of the car.

Very simply, there is no excuse for Oregon...
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Deisel has got to be one of the worst smells around.

Walk around London or Dublin and it is just terrible. The stink is everywhere.

If you breathe in that crap, is it better than if you breath in regular gas fumes?

I am curious because it just seems worse for your health.
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Originally Posted by Racinkid13
Originally Posted by mattross
Originally Posted by Racinkid13
Idiocracy. Heres an idea for you Mr. Kulongoski, why dont you go after the people hotrodding their diesels and dumping out pounds of unburned fuel.
Actually the Diesels have less of an impact than Gasoline vehicles. As a former DEQ employee I know that the Diesel smoke falls to the ground as an ash like substance that can be swept up with a simple broom. Where as unburned Gasoline rises into the atmosphere creating our smog ( as well as other pollutants). I'll look around for actual test limits.
yes, but it doesnt get swept up. it stays on the streets till it rains. Then is mixed in/diluted into the rain water and then down drains and heads off to local creeks, streams, rivers or what have you. Im just pointing out that I dont see the up front reasoning behind this. In most counties here, all cars 1985 and newer must pass emissions, modified or not. And now that they plug the computer in, any code the computer throws, the car is automatically failed. Why not merely expand this to state if he is this gungho on going green? Banning aftermarket tires wont have a credible impact. there are probably 101 other directions he can go for getting green cars. This seems more of a gateway bill so that he can get his foot in the door and carry out his alterior motives.
What falls to the ground is called "carbon" also known as "C" on the periodic table. Trust me it is much safer for the environment than the HC, CO, and CO2 released from our Gas burners. It is the crap that you can't see coming out of an exhaust pipe that is bad for the atmosphere, not the solids you see puked out from a diesel.
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Speaking of diesel, here is a direct quote from a post I made over on the Postapolooza site about them...

Originally Posted by Tomas
Excellent article! Diesels are very good engines, and Cummins has lead the pack in developing them.

My only strong suggestion is to put the exhaust at the FRONT of all diesel engined vehicles - in front of the cabin air intakes - so that those driving the diesels can share in the wonderful emanations that those behind them end up breathing...

Older diesels are especially bad, and more than once I have had the front of my car covered with a fine spray of soot and oil, including my windshield, from being a bit too close behind a diesel truck or bus starting from a stop (especially those with bumper-level exhausts) or even on the highway from a big rig spewing massive amounts of black smoke, grunting up a hill. Local school buses are especially bad for some reason...



So long as the diesel exhaust gets inhaled by diesel drivers before it gets to me - so that if they stink and pollute they will get fixed - I'll accept diesels in abundance on our roads...
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Gas is cheaper in NJ, than NY and Ct. too. Go figure.
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Originally Posted by Eltaco
What falls to the ground is called "carbon" also known as "C" on the periodic table. Trust me it is much safer for the environment than the HC, CO, and CO2 released from our Gas burners. It is the crap that you can't see coming out of an exhaust pipe that is bad for the atmosphere, not the solids you see puked out from a diesel.
Im not saying either is less harmful then the other. Im well aware of the impacts of CO2, HC, and CO. C has its own impacts as well. Im not debating either. My point is his route for going green.

Hell, why not just ban all full gasoline/diesel engines. Start putting those 300/400HP toyota hybrids on the lots for publice here.
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Another tidbit of information

Gas attendants are no longer allowed to pump Diesel fuel in Oregon
Old Feb 6, 2009 | 10:15 PM
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The law seems mostly about tires but either way I am not a fan. We would have to roll on stockies at the track?

And if they do ban all aftermarket parts I would just go ultrasleeper in a honda and run from cops for fun...
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Glad I live in Portlands retarded cousin town than across the river

Stupid stupid rules.
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wow, i hope it dosnt pass
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Yeah, this is pretty messed up. I wonder if this would make problems for those of us with the parts already installed.

Freaking Kulongoski, I have been advocating to get rid of him for years now. This makes it official, who wants to rally a the Capitol. Get everyone with modified cars that do not look like a POS to show up. We can show our government that things done to cars are not bad.
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http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62515

URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT
Oregon Introduces Bill to Prohibit Sale of Aftermarket Parts

At the request of Governor Theodore Kulongoski, the Oregon Speaker of the House has introduced legislation (H.B. 2186) to prohibit the sale and distribution of aftermarket motor vehicle parts if alternatives are available that “decrease greenhouse gas emissions from motor vehicles.” The bill is primarily focused on aftermarket tires and would authorize the Environmental Quality Commission to implement enforcement regulations, likely based on a rolling resistance calculation.

We Urge You to Contact Oregon Speaker of the House Dave Hunt and Members of the Environment and Water Committee (Contact Information Below) Immediately to Request Their Opposition to H.B. 2186

* H.B. 2186 would regulate vehicle fuel economy, an authority reserved to the federal government.

* H.B. 2186 could ban tires that may have improved performance, handling or appearance features, based solely on a rolling resistance rating. In addition, this program could easily distract consumers from focusing on more important safety issues such as tire inflation and overloading of vehicles.

* H.B. 2186 would force consumers to purchase only original equipment manufacturer (OEM) tires because the program essentially exempts OEM-selected tires and unfairly implies that they are superior to aftermarket products.

* H.B. 2186 could prohibit aftermarket parts designed to either personalize or optimize specific vehicle performance attributes including handling, towing, suspension, fuel economy, etc.

* H.B. 2186 provides broad authority to government regulators and could limit a range of aftermarket parts currently available to consumers based on the subjective determination of government regulators.

DON’T DELAY! Please contact Oregon Speaker Dave Hunt and the House Environment and Water Committee immediately to urge his opposition to H.B. 2186.

Oregon House Speaker Dave Hunt
Phone: 503/986-1440
Email: rep.davehunt@state.or.us

Oregon House Environment and Water Committee

Representative Ben Cannon – Chair
Phone: 503/986-1446
Email: rep.bencannon@state.or.us

Representative Jules Bailey
Phone: 503/986-1442
Email: rep.juleskopelbailey@state.or.us

Representative Phil Barnhart
Phone: 503/986-1411
Email: rep.philbarnhart@state.or.us

Representative Cliff Bentz
Phone: 503/986-1460
Email: rep.cliffbentz@state.or.us

Representative Deborah Boone
Phone: 503/986-1432
Email: rep.deborahboone@state.or.us

Representative Vic Gilliam
Phone: 503/986-1418
Email: rep.vicgilliam@state.or.us

Representative Bob Jenson
Phone: 503/986-1458
Email: rep.bobjenson@state.or.us

Representative Jefferson Smith
Phone: 503/986-1447
Email: rep.jeffersonsmith@state.or.us



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