With so many people screaming about delays with release, it's interesting to know how many are really ready to shell out the $$$ for it. Let's assume it would cost $3000-3500 installed for the simplicity of this experiment.

Yes...as long as it provides decent power gains. If the rumour of it only increasing hp by 40 is true then I'll probably pass.

I WANT POWER!!

i have the cash..200+whp for $3-3500 installed yes...40hp not to the wheels for 4 grand no thank you and a big f u to TRD for the almost year of waiting.

should be around 50 to 65 HP increase, and I'm still torn between the TRD SC, and a turbo kit. I'll probably end up going with the TRD SC though, once it proves to be worth the 3k +.

yeah it really depends on the power gains and how much it is going to cost parts + install.

If it is 40hp for around 3000 then no way. If it is an increase of 50-60 then maybe...if it is better than 60Hp gain then for sure I will get it installed...I have the cash.

But still it needs to be around 3000.00 to 3500.00 installed or I will pass...Or install it myself and then get the CPU flashed at a dealer.

If you shop around it should be under $3K for parts and $500 install. Dealers in my area were giving me quotes ranging from $900 to $1500 for install of Matrix SC, took 2 dozen phonecalls to find a dealer 40 miles away that did the job for $450 and gave me a loaner. tC's install will be easier - I did not see a 5th injector in the kit, so it will save about an hour since they won't have to splice into a pressurized fuel line and run injector wiring through the firewall...

It's a 40 HP gain. Talked to my friend who works at Toyota.

It's really not worth the 3 grand guys

Follow me, and get the GReddy Turbo Kit!

It's a BEAUTIFUL kit, I already ordered mine, and it arrived at my friends show 2 weeks ago

It's a 40 HP gain. Talked to my friend who works at Toyota.

It's really not worth the 3 grand guys

Follow me, and get the GReddy Turbo Kit!

It's a BEAUTIFUL kit, I already ordered mine, and it arrived at my friends show 2 weeks ago


cool. any pics or specs?

no way will you get 50-65 hp out of a supercharger for a 4 cyl. it takes a very large supercharger to get 75-100 hp out of a V8. Plus superchargers run at about 7 psi at best. One good thing about the supercharger is that it is always on through the whole power band.
for the money and warranty is not important to you turbo is the way to go.

no way will you get 50-65 hp out of a supercharger for a 4 cyl. it takes a very large supercharger to get 75-100 hp out of a V8. Plus superchargers run at about 7 psi at best. One good thing about the supercharger is that it is always on through the whole power band.
for the money and warranty is not important to you turbo is the way to go.
Buddy, 1.8L 1ZZ-FE toyota engine gains about 55 wheel hp (auto base matrix is about 105 at the wheels, supercharged it was 159.x whp).

That's not somebody telling me - it was my own car ;)

no way will you get 50-65 hp out of a supercharger for a 4 cyl. it takes a very large supercharger to get 75-100 hp out of a V8. Plus superchargers run at about 7 psi at best. One good thing about the supercharger is that it is always on through the whole power band.
for the money and warranty is not important to you turbo is the way to go.
Buddy, 1.8L 1ZZ-FE toyota engine gains about 55 wheel hp (auto base matrix is about 105 at the wheels, supercharged it was 159.x whp).

That's not somebody telling me - it was my own car ;)pwned lol

no way will you get 50-65 hp out of a supercharger for a 4 cyl. it takes a very large supercharger to get 75-100 hp out of a V8. Plus superchargers run at about 7 psi at best. One good thing about the supercharger is that it is always on through the whole power band.
for the money and warranty is not important to you turbo is the way to go.
Buddy, 1.8L 1ZZ-FE toyota engine gains about 55 wheel hp (auto base matrix is about 105 at the wheels, supercharged it was 159.x whp).

That's not somebody telling me - it was my own car ;)

please post the dyno b/c the TRD web site shows max gain of 40
http://www.trdusa.com click on parts in detail, then on TRD superchargers. the matrix is the 1.8L right? please correct me if i am wrong

did some more research, http://www.caranddriver.com/default.asp?section_id=39&agFlash=811&agMake=TOYOTA&agModel=MATRIX
read the capsule review hp comes in 123 hp or 130, so even if it kicked it up to 159 thats 36 hp not even 40.
sorry i am just a bit skeptical

http://www.matrixowners.com/forum/about22810-0-asc-30.html
here are the dynos of one of the guys with auto SC'd matix. I'll get mine scanned if there is still a need. Search the site - there are dozens of people with these numbers.

did some more research, http://www.caranddriver.com/default.asp?section_id=39&agFlash=811&agMake=TOYOTA&agModel=MATRIX
read the capsule review hp comes in 123 hp or 130, so even if it kicked it up to 159 thats 36 hp not even 40.
sorry i am just a bit skeptical

wheel horsepower vs. crank horsepower.

The numbers you will see on people's dyno sheets are at the wheels. Numbers in car specs are crank hp. Do crank - 20%(or more) auto drivetrain loss and you will get wheel hp stock...

so what are the #'s off of the TRD website
the crank? and hp at the crank should be highet than at the wheels right?

also do you have a dyno of a base run before the s/c and after not just after?

i was reading up on the matrix board and from what i can tell most of them had to buy some other stuff to get thoes kinda #'s? such as water injection (i dunno what that is) and A/F controller (a gain of 20hp to get it out of safe mode) , unichip, CAI, new plugs and wires.
on the dyno there was TRD exhaust, hyper ground, water injection and a header and it looks as if it ran much smoother after taking off the CAI
so it is still difficult to say the supercharger put out 55whp I think its like 40- to maybe 45 with proper tunning

I have a good idea...... lets just wait and see like everyone else has to ....lol

It's a 40 HP gain. Talked to my friend who works at Toyota.

It's really not worth the 3 grand guys

Follow me, and get the GReddy Turbo Kit!

It's a BEAUTIFUL kit, I already ordered mine, and it arrived at my friends show 2 weeks ago


cool. any pics or specs?

Once the install is done I'll post the pics and specs. We're not installing it yet being it's still winter, but yet this weather is very weird lately.

The supercharger would be a no-brainer at $2500 installed. A definite buy at $3000 installed. A probable buy at $3500 installed. A maybe not at $4000 installed. A probably not at $4500 installed. And a definite not at the $4500 to 5500 that it will most likely be. When you add that much money, then it is just not worth it. If I wanted to spend $24k on the car, there were other choices I could have made.

Since the Matrix SC is a roots unit and the tC SC is a centrifugal unit I don't think it's very feasible to compare them. It'd be like comparing a car to a truck, both are essentially designed to get you from A to B but one will get better gas and is likely faster, the other can haul and tow extra stuff.

You left out the option in the poll: No SC, I'm going Turbo baby! :twisted:

I believe that the TRD Supercharger kit also comes with a new ECU as well as new injectors. I would say for 3 grand a supercharger, fuel injectors and ECU would not be a bad deal.

I would have rolled the cost into the financing, but the chance of me plunking down four grand or so at the dealer is nil.

NOPE Im waiting for JAMASCO Enginerring TURBO

has anybody fit an APEXi S-AFC on their tC yet?

I actually paid for a warranty because I'm kinda iffy on wether this car will last me 3-4 years so I just got the 100000 warranty. If I could get it installed for 3000-3500, and it didn't void my warranty, I would do it. Otherwise I'm sticking to body mods and stuff that is easily reversible if I need to take it back for warranty service. Will the SC void your warranty if it's dealer installed?

if its dealer installed its warrantied

So that's it? 25 people? Or do we have more takers on the SC? ;)

I bought my car with turbo in mind. Thats why it is automatic. I would not touch a supercharger for an I4 even if it was $1000 installed. However, don't forget about the fact that you can change pulley size on that TRD unit so it might be worth it to some.

thought i would share a little bit of good news. i talked to my toyota parts man yesterday and he says that he has directly from trd that a CAI will be part of the kit.

i wish they would share SOMETHING about it. are they really going to wait until the day it released to post anything on it?

I bought my car with turbo in mind. Thats why it is automatic. I would not touch a supercharger for an I4 even if it was $1000 installed. However, don't forget about the fact that you can change pulley size on that TRD unit so it might be worth it to some.

just curious... why did you get an automatic when you wanted a turbo?

yeah dude waht r u talking about, turbo or n/a u still gotta get a stick man

I want TURBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

as long as they took off the speed limiter and rev limiter... I'd be happy.

yeah dude waht r u talking about, turbo or n/a u still gotta get a stick man

you dont need manual for a supercharger

maybe i should of ordered MT again. :(

yeah 40hp for 3.5k isnt worth it at all. id rather spend that cash on a bike and be faster than any tC out there except maybe that 600hp one.

I'm along with everyone that 3000+ for 40 hp isn't worth it to me, cause that's alot of money. I have every intention of turbo'ing my white baby in about a year or so, once it gets closer to the warranty being up.

Supercharger all the way, I'm extreamly sure TRD will not dissapoint on price and horse power gains.

Supercharger all the way, I'm extreamly sure TRD will not dissapoint on price and horse power gains.
That's the spirit.

P.S. gwmatrix - any relation to Toyota Matrix?

I will willingly pay out $3000 to add 40hp to my tC

I was looking at buying a RSX for $24,000 that pumps out 200hp and 143 torque.

200+bhp should lead our 2.4 to also achieve 200+tq

Supercharger all the way, I'm extreamly sure TRD will not dissapoint on price and horse power gains.
That's the spirit.

P.S. gwmatrix - any relation to Toyota Matrix?

Yes, gwmatrix is my user name over at matrixowners.com, I don't really post there anymore since I got rid of my matrix(base model) and got my tC and couldn't be happier. can't wait to see the price and the specs of the TRD supercharger, this reminds me of the time when they announced that a supercharger for the matrix would be released, it took for ever for it to come out, this is bringing back memories, he he.

If the gain is 60 hp or more then probably. If not then I will hold off until I can afford the turbo kit.

Yes... I will own this. I plan to make boost tubing and run a front mount and BOV with it when I get it.

Since automatic shifts a lot faster then any manual you are never out of boost. The boost keeps building up as you accelerate.

With automatic you can prespool your turbo off the line or when you race from a roll. That virtually eliminates any kind of lag your turbo might have. In fact if you match your torque converter with your turbo size you have virtually no lag at all.

Moral: Auto tranny has more drivetrain loss but it is more consistant and always faster then a manual with equal crank hp. Manual works best with supercharger.

at first i thought i was going turbo for sure
the more i think about it, it seems supercharger would be much better b/c it does not require much maintenance, that is if the hp will be over 40whp
if less than 40 i think it would be a waste of money

with stage 1 TURBO you can still gain over 40hp for a CHEAPER PRICE....



im with turbo, no SC. unless its the same price as average stage 1 turbos

me likies turbo. goes good with crackers too! /drool