http://www.mach1car.com/Product.aspx?nav=1&p=29-540.

Anyone have this kit? It says they require large diameter wheels but I'm wondering if the 17"s are big enough to clear them. The price doesn't seem to crazy.

looks nice. why can't they have made them vent as well. I really need a big brake kit upgrade. I feel that my car is a bit too spongy with stock. Im used the nissan murano brakes. God how I miss those.

looks nice. why can't they have made them vent as well. I really need a big brake kit upgrade. I feel that my car is a bit too spongy with stock. Im used the nissan murano brakes. God how I miss those.

What's up with the weird sig? :eyebrow:

Well, Powerslot owns the AEM braking systems now, so it's the same kit originally made for the 02+ Celica GT-S.

I can sell those for $499 for the fronts.

Well, Powerslot owns the AEM braking systems now, so it's the same kit originally made for the 02+ Celica GT-S.

I can sell those for $499 for the fronts.

Yes, but will they fit the Stock wheels? :pray:

http://www.mach1car.com/Product.aspx?nav=1&p=29-540.

Anyone have this kit? It says they require large diameter wheels but I'm wondering if the 17"s are big enough to clear them. The price doesn't seem to crazy.

im guessing if it says that you need a larger diameter wheel, then it would be larger than stock. keep in mind that a larger wheel doesnt necessarily mean that the BBK will fit, the spoke design plays a big part in the fitment of the kit.

it looks like this "kit" only includes larger diameter rotors. $500 for 2 front rotors is a little much, isnt it?

I think I would pay it simply because the brakes on the TC are POOP!!

I think I would pay it simply because the brakes on the TC are POOP!!

all toyota brakes are poop.
i would suggest just changing the oem rotors to slotted ones from here: http://www.tctunerz.com/article-zone/suspension/power-slot-front-performance-rotors-for-2005-scion-tc.html
my friend purchased these and his tC stops amazingly. :D and a lot cheaper than the bbk.

Yeah but I have 19's and I need all the braking power I can get, so I need the BBK.

seems alot for just rotors.... need bigger callipers

Well, Powerslot owns the AEM braking systems now, so it's the same kit originally made for the 02+ Celica GT-S.

I can sell those for $499 for the fronts.

Yes, but will they fit the Stock wheels? :pray:

It was originally made saying 17" wheels minimum required. AEM/Powerslot usually don't go so large where a 17 is too small.

Not all Toyota brakes are poop. I had Brembo's on my Celica and they were awesome.

how big are the stock tc rotors?

10.8" Front and 10.5" Rear.

oh wow... 500 bucks is well worth it for 2" bigger rotors up front.

Yeah but I have 19's and I need all the braking power I can get, so I need the BBK.

just get some better pads first. it'll be much cheaper than a bbk. see how that goes. and then let us know. :wink:

chris

Naaa, go big or go home I say. I will go all out and spend the money because I want as much performance as I can get. I don't half ___ things I do it right. :silly:

yea i agree, you should do things right the first time, save up and get good stuff rather then spend less, get less quality, replace them later with better that you could have bought in the first place.

Ding Ding Ding we have a winner. I agree totally because I did a few things like that on my last car and now know not to.

Some of you guys may want to consider a big brake kit from us. It's a full big brake kit with 4 piston calipers which are properly sized. Our kit has a 328mm rotor. 12.9" is the conversion for you folks. 2 pc floating rotor. If you want to see if this big brake kit will fit you wheels, just check our wheel fitment template here. http://www.stoptech.com/wheelfitchart/PDF/98-855-2430-02.PDF


I should also point out something about those caliper extension kits. If you move the stock caliper out onto a larger rotor. You are in effect increasing brake torque. Good thing? Not necessarily. Remember the brake balance issue?? If brake torque is increased in the front, it should also be increased in the rear to keep balance. Stock cars come with almost perfect balance. If brake torque is increased on the front but not the rear, then stopping distances will in effect grow longer.

See this link for more details on brake balance
http://www.stoptech.com/whitepapers/brakebiasandperformance.htm

Even if you were to add a rear caliper extension. How would you know if was expended the proper amount to maintain proper brake balance. We take our brakes and do real world testing with out kits on a runway. Here is an article about our testing procedures on one of our reseller's website. http://www.zeckhausen.com/testing_brakes.htm

If you guys want to get a stiffer pedal out of the car, get some stainless steel lines. After that you'd have to get a big brake kit to have a stiffer pedal. The stock slingle piston slider calipers will allow the pedal to move some. A larger stiffer caliper will give a better pedal feel among other things.

Guys, we have a Toyota. You can probably get an amazing brake setup from supra and retrofit it to your TC. they cost around $500 used for a lot of braking power and looks for such low price.
I am from the Lexus crowd and we have been doing this forever. I will most likely go that route and see what comes of it.

anyone tried tht fitment chart to see if they would clear our stock 17's?

Brake balance is essential for proper braking. Maximum braking power occurs when all four tires are about to lockup. Brake balance is making sure that both tires will lock at the same time with weight transfer in mind. Say you amp up your brakes in the front. Huge rotors with 12 pistons, stickiest pads, etc etc. Leave the rear stock. I guarantee you that with everything else the same, that your stopping distances will grow longer. This is because the rear brakes are being underutilized. Just like in the scanned article posted earlier. That article was actually written by one of our consultants. Keep these things in mind when talking about brakes.

Another common misconception is that rotors will help in braking. The pads do most of the stopping. Rotors and all features equated with the rotors are meant for cooling. Larger rotors will help with heat capacity.

Now for calipers. Almost all cars these days come with single piston sliding calipers. Evo8, Sti, and 350z Track are exceptions. single piston slider pistons aren't the most efficient, however they are the least expensive to produce with decent performance. Opposed calipers, pistons on both sides of the rotor, are more efficient in braking. The calipers are also stiffer which provide better pedal feel. The # of pistons don't really matter. It's the size of the pistons that matter. This goes back to the brake balance issue. We test our piston sizing to fine the correct one for the best brake balance.

Most big brake kits will come with a two piece floating rotor set up with aluminum hats. The floating rotors allow the iron part to expand and contract without warping the center hat. This is also a barrier which keeps the heat from your bearings. Two piece rotors also lighten overall weight of rotors.

There is so much information to go through. I can't nearly put enough in one post. Please see our technical section. It goes through almost anything and everything you would need to know about brakes.
http://www.stoptech.com/technical/

Also be sure to look through the FAQ section. http://www.stoptech.com/faq/
I'm absolutely sure that it will answer some of the questions that some of you have about brakes.

The # of pistons don't really matter. It's the size of the pistons that matter

Actually, I was watching a program on the speed channel, and they said that multiple pistons provide a more equal sqeeze on the entire pad. Rather than having one big caliper which will squeeze on one small area, good brake kits such as those made by baer, and brembo have 6-8 piston calipers, which deliver a superior stopping power.

The # of pistons don't really matter. It's the size of the pistons that matter

Actually, I was watching a program on the speed channel, and they said that multiple pistons provide a more equal sqeeze on the entire pad. Rather than having one big caliper which will squeeze on one small area, good brake kits such as those made by baer, and brembo have 6-8 piston calipers, which deliver a superior stopping power.

Compared to a single piston setup that is correct. Our calipers are properly sized to prevent pad taper which happens when as you described with single piston calipers. Keep in mind the upkeep cost that 6 and 8 piston calipers have vs a 4 piston. Rebuild costs are higher, pads are more expensive and the sort.

Rebuild costs are higher

I dont really know what this is, cuold you clarify?

Brake balance is essential for proper braking. Maximum braking power occurs when all four tires are about to lockup. Brake balance is making sure that both tires will lock at the same time with weight transfer in mind. Say you amp up your brakes in the front. Huge rotors with 12 pistons, stickiest pads, etc etc. Leave the rear stock. I guarantee you that with everything else the same, that your stopping distances will grow longer. This is because the rear brakes are being underutilized. Just like in the scanned article posted earlier. That article was actually written by one of our consultants. Keep these things in mind when talking about brakes.

Another common misconception is that rotors will help in braking. The pads do most of the stopping. Rotors and all features equated with the rotors are meant for cooling. Larger rotors will help with heat capacity.

Now for calipers. Almost all cars these days come with single piston sliding calipers. Evo8, Sti, and 350z Track are exceptions. single piston slider pistons aren't the most efficient, however they are the least expensive to produce with decent performance. Opposed calipers, pistons on both sides of the rotor, are more efficient in braking. The calipers are also stiffer which provide better pedal feel. The # of pistons don't really matter. It's the size of the pistons that matter. This goes back to the brake balance issue. We test our piston sizing to fine the correct one for the best brake balance.

Most big brake kits will come with a two piece floating rotor set up with aluminum hats. The floating rotors allow the iron part to expand and contract without warping the center hat. This is also a barrier which keeps the heat from your bearings. Two piece rotors also lighten overall weight of rotors.

There is so much information to go through. I can't nearly put enough in one post. Please see our technical section. It goes through almost anything and everything you would need to know about brakes.
http://www.stoptech.com/technical/

Also be sure to look through the FAQ section. http://www.stoptech.com/faq/
I'm absolutely sure that it will answer some of the questions that some of you have about brakes.This is one of a few guys on this forum who knows of what he speaks. Listen up, take notes, and pay attention.

Brake balance is essential for proper braking. Maximum braking power occurs when all four tires are about to lockup. Brake balance is making sure that both tires will lock at the same time with weight transfer in mind. Say you amp up your brakes in the front. Huge rotors with 12 pistons, stickiest pads, etc etc. Leave the rear stock. I guarantee you that with everything else the same, that your stopping distances will grow longer. This is because the rear brakes are being underutilized. Just like in the scanned article posted earlier. That article was actually written by one of our consultants. Keep these things in mind when talking about brakes.

Another common misconception is that rotors will help in braking. The pads do most of the stopping. Rotors and all features equated with the rotors are meant for cooling. Larger rotors will help with heat capacity.

Now for calipers. Almost all cars these days come with single piston sliding calipers. Evo8, Sti, and 350z Track are exceptions. single piston slider pistons aren't the most efficient, however they are the least expensive to produce with decent performance. Opposed calipers, pistons on both sides of the rotor, are more efficient in braking. The calipers are also stiffer which provide better pedal feel. The # of pistons don't really matter. It's the size of the pistons that matter. This goes back to the brake balance issue. We test our piston sizing to fine the correct one for the best brake balance.

Most big brake kits will come with a two piece floating rotor set up with aluminum hats. The floating rotors allow the iron part to expand and contract without warping the center hat. This is also a barrier which keeps the heat from your bearings. Two piece rotors also lighten overall weight of rotors.

There is so much information to go through. I can't nearly put enough in one post. Please see our technical section. It goes through almost anything and everything you would need to know about brakes.
http://www.stoptech.com/technical/

Also be sure to look through the FAQ section. http://www.stoptech.com/faq/
I'm absolutely sure that it will answer some of the questions that some of you have about brakes.This is one of a few guys on this forum who knows of what he speaks. Listen up, take notes, and pay attention.

He is a StopTech rep. He damn well better know what he is talking about. Thx mr. obvious :clap:

I was quoted $79 each X 2=$160 Front only. Add Hawk brake pads which are either free or not depends on what promo is going on. They fit 17plus size wheels. I had Power Slot Rotors on my Quad Cab Ram w/ 20's and it made a hell of difference. Paint the calibers, run Hawk pads, Power Slot rotors and new steel lines and walla. Big Brake for a small budget. Save dollars buy more stuff!!

Rebuild costs are higher

I dont really know what this is, cuold you clarify?

There are two options to go rebuilding calipers. Both options replace pressure seals and dustboots. One option also changes the pistons within the calipers. Pro race teams such as those in SPEED world challenge only rebuild their calipers once a year. Hard driven street vehicles with some track time probably only need to rebuild every two or 3 years. Each individual piston is approximately $25. So for one 4 piston caliper the pistons alone, not counting the seals is $100. A 6 piston would obviouly be $150 and $200 for an 8 piston caliper. The costs are also per caliper, and obviouly double to cover the other caliper on the other side of the car and add on the dust boots and pressure seals. The amounts add up to a pretty dramatic difference. Everyone knows that a 6 or 8 piston caliper can create more brake torque than a 4 piston. But why have more pistons than necessary. Your braking is limited by your tires. If a 4 piston can lock up the tires, a 6 piston won't be able to do anymore braking than the 4 piston.

Thank you guys for the compliments. I figure why not try to edcuate an entire forum while it is in it's infacy states rather than join up later when people have learned myths instead.

Is a re-build something that you have to do if you just drive spirited? I dont do any track/or street racing, but I do cruise around pretty fast, and on occassion have to stop prety fast. How long do you think before I would need a rebuild?

Is a re-build something that you have to do if you just drive spirited? I dont do any track/or street racing, but I do cruise around pretty fast, and on occassion have to stop prety fast. How long do you think before I would need a rebuild?

Spirited driving is what we would consider normal driving for our kits. We are afterall in the aftermarket performance business. The conditions that I described are to keep things in absolute tip top condition. ALmost all calipers can go through 3 years or more without a rebuild. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Ok, cool, and thanks for all that info. I'll probably be picking up my kit sometime within the year, depends on if i spend a bunch on the charger, and if I have any money left over

Guys, we have a Toyota. You can probably get an amazing brake setup from supra and retrofit it to your TC. they cost around $500 used for a lot of braking power and looks for such low price.
I am from the Lexus crowd and we have been doing this forever. I will most likely go that route and see what comes of it.I may be Mr. Obvious, but when it comes to this drivel I am Mr.Oblivious. How exactly does one retrofit a Supra brake system to a TC? Have you done this? Are you talking out your ___? Maybe you misunderstood my last post. I was trying to convey the point that the StopTech guy was offering a WORKABLE, VIABLE solution to oversize brakes, not a ham-fisted, Rube Goldberg experiment in braking as proposed by some of our more enlightened members. :lalala: Tossing on some slotted rotors don't do ____, and actually out performing the stock setup overall is really tough to do. This guy has one solution that will actually do that. But what the hell do I know..............

Guys, we have a Toyota. You can probably get an amazing brake setup from supra and retrofit it to your TC. they cost around $500 used for a lot of braking power and looks for such low price.
I am from the Lexus crowd and we have been doing this forever. I will most likely go that route and see what comes of it.I may be Mr. Obvious, but when it comes to this drivel I am Mr.Oblivious. How exactly does one retrofit a Supra brake system to a TC? Have you done this? Are you talking out your ___? Maybe you misunderstood my last post. I was trying to convey the point that the StopTech guy was offering a WORKABLE, VIABLE solution to oversize brakes, not a ham-fisted, Rube Goldberg experiment in braking as proposed by some of our more enlightened members. :lalala: Tossing on some slotted rotors don't do ____, and actually out performing the stock setup overall is really tough to do. This guy has one solution that will actually do that. But what the hell do I know..............

Good point; however, before you go buy some Stoptech brakes, check out the price on those bad boys. They are great but I don't think this particular community is loaded with that kind of cash.
I have been working with Toyotas and Lexi for over 7 years now and I know that most of them share similar brakes. Supra retrofit had improved braking on every single 2-piston Lexus application we put it on (always was a direct bolton). I am here to share some expirence and future plans. It is contributing and sharing knowledge for the good of the community.
But hey I can always jump and be a sidekick to any vendor of this forum; I am just not sure how much use that would be. :yawn:

I'm nobodys sidekick, to be sure. I don't know that guy from Adam, but he knows his brakes, as opposed to the many that have no clue. I personally would never need or want this type of setup as the stock brakes are very good indeed. The only real advantages these setups offer is fade-resistance and better heat tolerance. If you are involved in some form of racing that requires repeated heavy braking, these might be the ticket. If you are some poseur who likes look, your wasting a wad of cash! FYI: Supra brakes won't fit on a TC . I learned years ago that racers need race parts and poseurs need Pep Boys! :rofl:

I'm nobodys sidekick, to be sure. I don't know that guy from Adam, but he knows his brakes, as opposed to the many that have no clue. I personally would never need or want this type of setup as the stock brakes are very good indeed. The only real advantages these setups offer is fade-resistance and better heat tolerance. If you are involved in some form of racing that requires repeated heavy braking, these might be the ticket. If you are some poseur who likes look, your wasting a wad of cash! FYI: Supra brakes won't fit on a TC . I learned years ago that racers need race parts and poseurs need Pep Boys! :rofl:

and yet another useless post. :blah: :blah: :blah: :lalala: :lalala: :lalala: :P

I've had stoptechs on my audi... They have a bad case of rotors rust almost immediately... They are loud as a screeching woman when they are "street use" cold... People get the ultimate axxis pads and forget ... These are ment for more autcrossing then street use! I would of tried the street version axxis pads, but never needed to because the ultimates DO last long, but the trade off is a horrible squealing brake everytime you come to a stop light. Plus on that is that people know you are braking... My pops always said a squeaky brake is a good brake.. hmmm well....

If you are doing heavy breaking they are pretty nice though...

I've had stoptechs on my audi... They have a bad case of rotors rust almost immediately... They are loud as a screeching woman when they are "street use" cold... People get the ultimate axxis pads and forget ... These are ment for more autcrossing then street use! I would of tried the street version axxis pads, but never needed to because the ultimates DO last long, but the trade off is a horrible squealing brake everytime you come to a stop light. Plus on that is that people know you are braking... My pops always said a squeaky brake is a good brake.. hmmm well....

If you are doing heavy breaking they are pretty nice though...You're the kind of poseur I was talking about! :rofl: And your post is so relevant I will be sure to print it out and hang it on my refrigerator! :rofl: All this wisdom coming from a guy who bought a Kia and is dumb enough to admit it! :loser: :loser: :loser: :loser: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

point proven. another useless post. *edited* I autocrossed my allroad that had 315whp and 358wtorque. haha a station wagon with 2 kO4 turbos schooling punks like you hahaha.

and yes, I am probably the only one in the country that bought a sorento that cost over 30k done. Nice car, but I know that a noob kid such as yourself has never experienced such power or even beable to dream to have the $$$ to have such wonderful toys.... grow up or get off the forums kid. You have nothing to contribute :yawn:

Boy, you sure told my ___! :relief: Thanks for calling me a "kid", it makes me feel a little younger and this is always a plus! :rofl: Yeah, your command of such massive HP would school me into graduation I'm sure! :yawn: I'm just saving my food stamps for my next useless mod,... or maybe I'll save up for a Kia! :loser: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Boy, you sure told my ___! :relief: Thanks for calling me a "kid", it makes me feel a little younger and this is always a plus! :rofl: Yeah, your command of such massive HP would school me into graduation I'm sure! :yawn: I'm just saving my food stamps for my next useless mod,... or maybe I'll save up for a Kia! :loser: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

haha around here you would be considered as driving a lesbianmobile or a mexicanmobile... I wouldn't talk with that nerd car you have :clap: :clap: :clap: Stick with your xnooB forums and stay out of the cool tC ones. Your not needed.

Kia's suck. modded Sorentos don't. :P

Wow, you seem to have carnal knowlege of me and yet we have never met. I actually drive a truck and my wife has the "noob" Xb. Exactly how old is a cool guy such as yourself? Do only lesbians or Mexicans drive Xbs from your neck of the woods? You sound like a complete douch. :loser: It's easy to be a wise-___ on the internet, but I am quite sure if we were talking face to face you would spout a quart or so less ____. :rofl: You are quite humorous though, so carry on loser! It's amazing what one extra chromosome can do for a fellow! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Boy, you sure told my ___! :relief: Thanks for calling me a "kid", it makes me feel a little younger and this is always a plus! :rofl: Yeah, your command of such massive HP would school me into graduation I'm sure! :yawn: I'm just saving my food stamps for my next useless mod,... or maybe I'll save up for a Kia! :loser: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I hoped that you were a kid. That would of explained the hurt feelings I must of caused you. Usually kids grow out of being little hateful punks. That is really sad that you are an adult? Gee I bet your really popular lol! Staying home this friday night eh? :rofl: For me, This thread is dead and I am bored with your antics. I can't lower myself any more like if I were in grade school. Go ahead and rant and get the last word in. I'm out. That is all.

BTW... I teach martial arts for a living and fight in No rule fights for money. I doubt you could even last a second haha.

I've had stoptechs on my audi... They have a bad case of rotors rust almost immediately... They are loud as a screeching woman when they are "street use" cold... People get the ultimate axxis pads and forget ... These are ment for more autcrossing then street use! I would of tried the street version axxis pads, but never needed to because the ultimates DO last long, but the trade off is a horrible squealing brake everytime you come to a stop light. Plus on that is that people know you are braking... My pops always said a squeaky brake is a good brake.. hmmm well....

If you are doing heavy breaking they are pretty nice though...

Your squeaking problems could have been solved with a good hard bed in process. Over the course of time brakes tend to become unbedded if they are not driven hard for a while. For those of you who haven't seen the bed in process, you can see this link. http://www.stoptech.com/whitepapers/bedincontents.htm

The Axxis Ultimate pads are a performance street pad. They can be used without squealing which can be fixed with the bed in. These pads have higher max operating temp and a really good cooler temp co-efficient of friction. The Axxis Ultimate pads are shipped with the kits because of these properties.

The Axxis Deluxe Plus pads while don't have the same performance do have low dust and low noise characteristics. It is a very street compliant pad.

Wow, you seem to have carnal knowlege of me and yet we have never met. I actually drive a truck and my wife has the "noob" Xb. Exactly how old is a cool guy such as yourself? Do only lesbians or Mexicans drive Xbs from your neck of the woods? You sound like a complete douch. :loser: It's easy to be a wise-___ on the internet, but I am quite sure if we were talking face to face you would spout a quart or so less ____. :rofl: You are quite humorous though, so carry on loser! It's amazing what one extra chromosome can do for a fellow! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I would be more then happy to fly down or pay for you to fly up for me to settle your attitude problem. You need an attitude adjustment. It is easy for fatarses with no life to hide behind a forum with a mouth like yours. :rofl: I can walk the talk. PM if your interested.

hey scott, sorry, I couldn't resist... lol

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=49094

Yeah, send me the money! :rofl: I promise I'll come visit you! :rofl: Oh no, wait, you aren't one of those NINJAs I see on TV are you? Now I'm afraid I'll have to reconsider, you have me sorta scared.........What's a lesbian Mexican to do?.... I'm afraid I'm going to have to concede that you are the ruffest, tuffest,scariest fellow I know of and I surely dont want any of your No rule martial arts type fighting for money (which you know I don't have!). So sorry to have upset you and please don't hurt me or any of my family! :nails: :nails: :nails: I promise I'll try to be more sensitive to your needs! :eyebrow: I need a hug now.........

anticipation of death is worse then death itself.

Just remember your place. You call people posers and you yourself 1. Don't have a scion, and post for your wife? 2. Have never probably owned a big brake kit 3. Have way too much anger to give sound advice and knowledge because you take things way to personally. ummmm isn't that a formula of being a poser?

Some day someone like me is going to be in arms reach. Becareful.

I've been doing martial arts for over 23 years, and I have taught movie stars, rock stars, and societies elite. I have never lost a battle. I know better to open my mouth without the balls to back it up. I am now 30 years old and in my prime. I am considered a veteran in my craft.

When I was younger, I use to pound on hicks and brothas like you, making them cry for their mommys while they throw up blood, food, and beer trying desperately to pick up their teeth off the floor as they attempt to put them back in their mouths... Beware of big heavily tattooed koreans that have shaved heads.

I have friends in Galveston that I have been wanting to visit for some time.... Let me know if you change your mind and I'll swing on by. Pun intended.

Now go eat a cookie.

"We both know I'm training to be a cage fighter."(Kip Dynamite) You are laughable at best. :rofl: :rofl: I am in awe of your accomplishments (real or imagined) and am trembling in fear of your ferocious martial arts skills. Do you leap buildings in a single bound? :P Do you have a costume? Why do TheMenofScion want to come over here and beat us up? You're probably up past your bedtime now already, so you better scoot off to bed before your mom catches you! :rofl: P.S. could you please post a picture of yourself in your costume? Please!???

cage fighting is for juicers and unskilled fighters. except gracie brazilian jujitsu. shootfighting has pads. That is not fighting. That is a ___ fantasy on the ground. If gouging, bitting, elbow points, and true palm is not allowed you are not a fighter. Better yet. what is you aim name? I teach some of my clients online... you have a web cam? That way we can arrange for me to come and school your hick ___.

Make sure you post your AIM so that anybody else that wants to hold proof of this situation can vouch that I am legit and witness our little talk.

When I come down, you need to sign a contract letting you know that you signed your life to me and no legal or next of kin can sue me or hold me responsible Scott Hartford from bedford Texas license plate brt457. I own you.

^^ PS That kind of contract has no legal basis and will not be accepted in a court of law.

^^ PS That kind of contract has no legal basis and will not be accepted in a court of law.

:rofl: It's a standard contract/waiver with the ring I'm in... My lawyer too says it is crap, but hey... ANY contract is nil and void if you fight it. There is no such thing as a perfect contract... Just looks better in your favor in court. Trust me on this.

Moto- mouth have you served your country?

I am waiting Moto mouth. I have observed you profile Scott, and I have observed you imply bodily threat. I want you to personally profile me, please. I absolutley love your type of alpha male personality. I have no problem picking you up at the airport either. Honestly I will and personally escort your karate ___ to jail. The forum is not used for this intention. I hope you understand that.

Cool, now we all know who is who in this thread. :blah:

^Well put! :rofl: I'm just playing with Mr. Mortal Kombat meets William Hung. He thinks I am very angry or something, but honestly I almost spit Dr. Pepper all over the keyboard laughing at some of his posts. :rofl: You gotta admit this is much more of an entertaining read than "I just got a new Xb!". I am not too worried though because there are a lot of cool gangs around here and they keep asking me to join because I have mad skills with a polestaff! :rofl: :rofl:

I gots mad numb-chuck skillz if you need help! As for the mad karate fighter moto, two things
1 Fighting on the internet is alot like winning a race in the special olympics, even if you win, your still a retard!
2 as for you audi, sorento tc, and you mad auto cross skillz, I;ve school more than one punk bi-atch an a car the not fully capable of driving to it's limit, and if you'd like I can bust out the '95 hyundai accent and I'll school you too! :loser:

If you think this guys funny, check this out! :rofl: http://www.mallninja.com/

scott you are a coward idiot. you are very sad. i see you have two names you like talking to yourself to feel better? people hate you so much that you had to change names to seven53? i just had to point that out. like motozen said get off our forums your a dick with no dick. my second post is to tell someone how stupid he is wow i thought this forum was for mature people btw if you have nunchackus you have hit your head too much

So now we get to meet moto-mouths boyfriend! :rofl: :rofl: Have you had the chance to re-read your post? You sound like a complete tool with educational deficiencies. :rofl: I must admit you tardos are quite entertaining at least. Keep on tool posting, we all need a laugh from time to time! :loser: :loser: :loser:

Actually, I'm a different person, my name is, Brent, from Ohio...just chimming in ya dumb ___! I don't know scott17, it just seems that this moto guy is a 95 pound _____ fronting "hard-___" IMO[/quote]

Thats the impression I got too.

Well, Powerslot owns the AEM braking systems now, so it's the same kit originally made for the 02+ Celica GT-S.

I can sell those for $499 for the fronts.

Yes, but will they fit the Stock wheels? :pray:

It was originally made saying 17" wheels minimum required. AEM/Powerslot usually don't go so large where a 17 is too small.


Stock Celica wheels are 16's so if they fir that application 17's should fit no problem

Stock Celica wheels are 16's so if they fir that application 17's should fit no problem

way to wake up an old thread

wow stop tech had a great info up on here.. Thanks

what is all this garbage in a brake thread?

don't we have moderators to take care of this?

to the stoptech rep.. could i get a 50% sponsorship? i can't afford to spend $1800 on a BBK LOL