Mobil's new line of Motor Oil will be hitting stores VERY VERY soon. You should already be able to buy the new line in Pep Boys and places like that.
The new line constist of
Mobil Clean 5000 (Conventional)
Mobil Clean 7500 (Synthetic Blend)
Mobil 1 (Synthetic)
Mobil 1 15000 Extended Performance (Synthetic)

The different numbers 5000, 7500 & 15000 are the miles of oil change intervils. Mobil is GAURENTEEING that you can go 15,000 inbetween oil changes (as long as you have no oil leaking problems or major engine problems) with the Mobil 1 Extended Performance Oil. The only way the Oil will last 15,000 is you will have to use a TOP of the line Oil Filter such as the Mobil 1 oil filter. The Mobil 1 oil filter part number for Scions xB/xA is M-103.

If you wanna read more about this new oil or you want more info please read here:
http://www2.exxonmobil.com/Corporate/Newsroom/Newsreleases/xom_nr_150205.asp
or here
http://www.mobil1.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/Mobil_High-Endurance_Motor_Oils.aspx

ALSO if you have any questions on this you can post here or PM me ... I work for an ExxonMobil Oil Distrubtor thats how I know all this stuff!

It's a shame that ExxonMobil is even more evil than other oil companies. I've refused to make any ExxonMobil purchases for the past two years due to their reversal of discrimination policies upon Exxon's merger with Mobil. Oh well.

Wow, that's news to me!

You have some links with detailed information? I'd really
like to read up on that!

Yeah ... what are you talking about?

Whats the price on their oil filter for the xB?

yeah to me it seems like its going to be like 40 bucks a qt :-( for the 15k

i saw that on tv

I don't have prices for you, because I am a distributor and can't give you my price. Check with your local auto supply store for price. The filter number is M-103 for xA/xB ... Ill find out the part number for the tC tomorrow (tuesday)

The 15k oil will be very expensive BUT remember you are leaving it in for 15K ... thats about 5 oil changes with conventional oil

Yeah\.. do you know if you have to get a diffrent filter if you get a diffrent oil?? ie 5k -filter 1 15k filter 3

i remember reading somewhere that conventional motor oil can go up 12000 miles before it breaks down. i'd like to know what kind of oil they use in bmw's and mercedes, they go long intervals before they need the oil changed.
i'll stick with changing it every 5000

In my mercedes the first change is 10,000 and they use mobil 1 from the factory

You have some links with detailed information? I'd really
like to read up on that!

Well, here's a rather conservative's site take on the issue: http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=4153

Basically, Mobil had policies banning discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. They also gave health benefits to a person's domestic partner. When Exxon took them over, they rescinded the discrimination policy and gave no further partner benefits.

NYC's pension fund is even taking issues with this, as they are a large shareholder in ExxonMobil: http://www.comptroller.nyc.gov/press/2004_releases/pr04-05-036.shtm

I think Mobil does make good products, but I don't really like how Exxon's running the place.

Mercedes Benz Factory filled with Mobil 1 0w40
Corvettes & Vipers comes factory filled Mobil 1 5w30
Prosche comes factory filled Mobil 1 0w40
Cadillac comes factory filled Mobil 1 5w30.
Saab factory filled Mobil Drive Clean Plus (Synthetic Blend) 5w30
Note: Drive Clean Plus is now replaced with Clean 7500
Hondas OEM 5w20 Motor Oil & ATF is made by Mobil to meet Honda Spec
Toyotas OEM 5w30 Motor Oil & ATF is made by Mobil to meet Toyota Spec
General Motors OEM 5w30, 10w30 & ATF is made by Mobil to meet GM Spec
Mazda OEM 5w20 Motor Oil is made by Mobil to meet Mazda Spec

You will need a high quality oil filter in order for it to last 15,000 miles. Mobil reccommends using their Mobil 1 Oil Filter for this change. Your basic cheap oil filters with break down after about 3-4k. The paper inside the filer will collapse and the filter will not filter anymore. With the Mobil 1 filters they are made using a high quality stronger paper and will be able to last the 15,000 miles.

il stick to every 5k and and oem filters thank you very much

so right now mobil has the regular 5w-30 oil.. is that drive clean or drive clean plus?

thanks for the info frosted.... thats not a very cool stance to take on exxons part.. ill stick with my redline oil then.. its about twice as expensive then mobil 1 but when someone is doing something wrong.. you have to make a stand... i do the same with microsoft.. i really don;t touch their stuff...

anyways.. im planning to change to synth at 1000 miles.(when the car finally arrives.:tap:
i did that on my present car and at 235k miles has had NO leaks what so ever.. and unless scion will use synths witht eh free oil changes.. ill probably not take them up on it..

The 15k oil will be very expensive BUT remember you are leaving it in for 15K ... thats about 5 oil changes with conventional oil

Actually, more like 3 oil changes (per Scion). An oil change every 3000 miles is a fiction made up by quick lube places and oil companies.

i'll stick with changing it every 5000

so right now mobil has the regular 5w-30 oil.. is that drive clean or drive clean plus?

Right now Mobils conventional oil is Drive Clean. Its in a blue bottle. As soon as all the store sell out of the blue bottles (Drive Clean) it will all be switched over to Clean 5000. Once all the store sell out of Drive Clean Plus (Synthetic Blend) It will all be switched to Clean 7500.

Im telling anyone how to take care of your car, I am just informing you on what is out and what you are able to do if you chose.

My old Honda had 45K on it when I sold it ... I did 4 oil changes. First one with Mobil 1 Synthetic at 2,000 and then every 10,000 miles give or take with Mobil 1 Oil and Mobile 1 Oil filter. I have NO problems and the car ran GREAT!
My dad has an LX470 and he changes his oil every 15,000 using Mobil 1 Synthetic and Mobil 1 Oil Filter. Runs GREAT NO Problems. The truck has 80,000 miles on it.

Why not just use Mobil 1, and just change the oil at every 3-5k miles. Is it sooooo special to pay that much more for a quart of oil to just be able to change oil at 15k miles? Lazyness :yawn: ? (watch out for sludging for those who change there oil late, VW/Audi had issues)

this is just like the intervals I j=have used for years with Amsoil.... I could go 25,000 miles on Amsoil with one filter change at 12,500...... I use the 0W40 in most of my cars

if you can afford the filter and oil, go for it, im just poor, so im stickin with 5k miles, penzoil 5w30 + filter for 24.99

The point of paying more for Mobil 1 is so you don't have to change your oil every 3-5k. You can change it every 3-5k but then you are waisting the money spent. Its not lazyness, its knowing that you have a quality oil in your car and you don't have to worry about going for an oil change every 3-5k.

0w40 is the european car formula, it is made to meet the spec of Mercdes Benz & Porsche. 0w40 is the Factory filled and Factory reccommended for these car.
Mobil makes the Toyota 5w30 & reccemmends that you use Mobil 1 5w30 for Toyotas. You can use what ever you want Im just stating what Mobil reccommends.

VW had sludging problems but it was not oil related. They were having some internal engine problems. They are aware of the problem and if it happens they will warrenty the engine. My Step-Sister had a VW and had this problem. They warrented the engine with NO questions asked.

Do you know if Mobil recommends STAYING with that formula once you start using it? I normally use Mobil 1 5w30 and change the oil myself. I was considering using the high endurance oil to go through the winter so I don't have to change my oil out in the cold...

You can actually go 7,000 safely on conventional oil. I have went 10,000 on synthetic with a fram tough gard filter in my civic. Oil didn't look that bad either. I think I will stick with 5,000 synthetic. Just cause you can do something doesn't mean its a good idea. At work we have a tester called oil analysis tester you put a clean sample of the type of oil being used and calibrate it. Then you put a sample of the actual used product and it will tell you if you can keep going on it safely or not.

You can switch to synthetic with no problems. Just try to stick with using 5w30.

You can't tell how an oil is just by looking at it. You need to get an REAL Oil Analysis done on it. I can send samples out to Mobil and how it works is they take the oil and break down all the different components and then they tell you what grade of oil it is (5w30, 10w30 .... ) they can also tell you if its Conventional Oil, Semi-Synthetic or Fully Synthetic and they can also tell you what additive packs are in it.
The different additive packs is where you get your specs from. Toyota additive pack is different from the Honda additive pack becasue each maniufacture has different specs for their engines.

You must be carefull going over 3k with your regular crap oil that you get at a quick lube. There is a lot of recycled oil thats is sold on the street that you don't know about. I have been doing this for a long time and found there is alot of garbage on the street. You only know 100% what you are getting if it comes out of bottle. If its pumped out of a bulk tank you have no idea what you are getting.

Your best bet is if you get conventional oil put in your car at a quick lube and its pump in I would not go more then 3-4k on it.

If you wanna learm more about the different specs and licensing in oil go to http://api-ep.api.org/filelibrary/API_MotorOilGuide_2004.pdf

The newest spec out right now is SM-GF4 Plus ... you can see more about it on the link above

Here are the Licensed Oils for Amsoil
http://eolcs.api.org/DisplayLicenseInfo.asp?LicenseNo=0995

Here are the Licensed Oils for Mobil
http://eolcs.api.org/DisplayLicenseInfo.asp?LicenseNo=0020

Good idea, an oil change every 15K miles. But .... i use the Mobil 1 5W30 and change it and the filter every 6K miles. I can get a case of Mobil 1 at BJs/Costco for around $25. I use the Pure One oil fliter ( the blue one, with the red diphram inside ). Thats less then $5 a bottle buying bulk. Now if i change every 6K miles, and make 2 purchases of the oil in bulk over a year .... ( approx. $50 ) i would have enough oil to do a 3rd oil change for free, less the cost of the filter. For under $70 i can get 18K miles on my current schedule. According to the other post, @ $40 a quart, that would put me at $165+ for an oil change that would last 15K miles. My way is cheaper.

Maybe as time goes on, the cost will come down more, then i would be interested.

BTW ... DB tell me how much you want for that vinyl.

You will still be able to get Mobil 1 at the same price. Its the Mobil 1 Extended Performance that will be more money.
Reason why:
Mobil 1 Extended Performance has a unique formulation with boosted level of protection and performance. These formulations with the Advanced SuperSyn System contain 50 percent more SuperSyn, 36 percent more anti-wear additives, and 37 percent more cleaning agents than the current Mobil 1.

Thats why it will cost a few bucks more!

The new Extended Performance is not $40 a quart. It will retail for about $8 - $10 a quart.

Well, I get free oil changes up to 75k, and they use Mobile Oil. So, I'm going to stick with the 3k mile oil changes till then.

Where did you get that deal at? If you are getting the Mobil Drive Clean (Soon to be changed to Clean 5000) then thats fine. That oil is for your 3-5k changes.

You don't switch to Mobil 1 just for the extended oil changes, your switching for an oil with more cleaning additives, better protection and quality!

this is just like the intervals I j=have used for years with Amsoil.... I could go 25,000 miles on Amsoil with one filter change at 12,500...... I use the 0W40 in most of my cars

Wondered when this would come up. 35,000 is even possible with AMSOIL. My box will have AMSOIL in every form applicable.

If you wanna run AMSOIL for 25k - 35k have fun ... If something happens see how fast AMSOIL comes to your rescue. Call AMSOIL and ask them if you can run their oil for 25k - 35k ... IF they say "YES" then ask them if they will warranty the engine if something happens.

Mobil says 15k or 1 year ... AND they have a warranty for there oil! Read here
http://www.mobil1.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_Extended_Performance_Warranty.aspx

Either way, it's still a marketing gimmick by Mobil. They did the same thing many years ago (extended drain intervals), but when they realized people weren't spending as much money, they refuted all claims that said you could go XX,000 miles without changing, and joined the 3k bandwagon to garner greater profits.

This is not just a marketing ploy ... It is stated on the bottle and all the "blue" bottles you see in stores are no longer being made. This is the new line of Mobil and thats it. I had my ExxonMobil sales meeting a few weeks ago and this is in 100% full go with no turning back. Mobil has issued warranties for all the new products and all the new products have been approved by the API and are all Licensed by the API. The commericals are all ready on TV and there is more to come.

Stay tuned for when NASCAR goes to Las Vages, Mobil will be running their three sponsored cars with a NEW paint sceam. Travis Kvapil #77 will be driving the Mobil Clean 5000 Car, Rusty Wallace #2 will be driving the Clean 7500 Car and Ryan Numan #12 will be driving the Extended Performance 15000 Car.

This will be a big year for Mobil and will make or break alot of the other oil companys!

http://www.mobil1.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/Mobil_High-Endurance_Motor_Oils.aspx

I have run all the top rated synthetics in my various cars.. As a matter of fact I have Mobil 1 in my T-bird, Amsoil in my Volvo , and Royal Purple in my XB now. I have used Redline may times also. All these are good oils. Howver I seem to always get the best results from Amsoil hands down. Being from NJ I had some friends from Exxon who were lubricant specialist and most agree with my thoughts. Some of the Exxon guys invented Millitec which seemed to be a fairly good additive. Any thoughts LavaBox_v1?

This is not just a marketing ploy ... It is stated on the bottle and all the "blue" bottles you see in stores are no longer being made. This is the new line of Mobil and thats it. I had my ExxonMobil sales meeting a few weeks ago and this is in 100% full go with no turning back. Mobil has issued warranties for all the new products and all the new products have been approved by the API and are all Licensed by the API. The commericals are all ready on TV and there is more to come.

So what makes the oil so much better than the 3k synthetic of the past? What's the difference in the current line to allow for difference in mileage? Just the additives package, or a true difference in formulation that changes how each different products reacts to build-up, thermal breakdown, and such?

In case you haven't guessed, I'm not "on your case" or anything... I'm just the biggest Devil's Advocate I know. It took me about 6 months of research before I even considered using AMSOIL, and I never used it to the full extent of the drain intervals they recommend. I went 14k at one point, and changed it... though oil analysis said that it was ok to continue use.

well, i better get a hold of my Mobil rep tommorow morning & get my free cases :P

So what makes the oil so much better than the 3k synthetic of the past? What's the difference in the current line to allow for difference in mileage? Just the additives package, or a true difference in formulation that changes how each different products reacts to build-up, thermal breakdown, and such?

In case you haven't guessed, I'm not "on your case" or anything... I'm just the biggest Devil's Advocate I know. It took me about 6 months of research before I even considered using AMSOIL, and I never used it to the full extent of the drain intervals they recommend. I went 14k at one point, and changed it... though oil analysis said that it was ok to continue use.

The new line of oil have been reformulated and new additive packs have been added. Full Synthetic oil was never 3k changes. You regular conventional oil was 3k changes. You could always go more then 3k with synthetic just no-one said anything. Alot of manufactures are now stating that you can go more then 3k. Mercedes Benz has 12,000 oil changes. All their cars use Mobil 1 0w40 its factory filled and its when they use in all their oil changes. Mobil decided since alot the OEMs are stating that you can go longer on your oil changes that they would make an oil and BACK IT 100% to last these intervills. Mobils 5,000 mile 7,500 mile & 15,000 are all back and warrantied by mobil to last thoes miles. No other oil company will make thoes claims and back it with a warranty!

I have run all the top rated synthetics in my various cars.. As a matter of fact I have Mobil 1 in my T-bird, Amsoil in my Volvo , and Royal Purple in my XB now. I have used Redline may times also. All these are good oils. Howver I seem to always get the best results from Amsoil hands down. Being from NJ I had some friends from Exxon who were lubricant specialist and most agree with my thoughts. Some of the Exxon guys invented Millitec which seemed to be a fairly good additive. Any thoughts LavaBox_v1?

What do you mean by best results? how are you gauging your results?

I have run all the top rated synthetics in my various cars.. As a matter of fact I have Mobil 1 in my T-bird, Amsoil in my Volvo , and Royal Purple in my XB now. I have used Redline may times also. All these are good oils. Howver I seem to always get the best results from Amsoil hands down. Being from NJ I had some friends from Exxon who were lubricant specialist and most agree with my thoughts. Some of the Exxon guys invented Millitec which seemed to be a fairly good additive. Any thoughts LavaBox_v1?

What do you mean by best results? how are you gauging your results?
oil analysis, gas mileage, and wear when doing a a tear down. As I stated above Mobil 1 is also a good oil..hell I started many years ago using Delvac when nobody knew what synthetics were

Where did you get your facts at ... who did the oil analysis and who did the engine test?

hmm lets see. I tore down the motor so vidual inspection, I would say it is commen sense how I can verify gas mileage, and here is the oil test
http://www.blackstone-labs.com/free_test_kit.html
any other questions?

hmm lets see. I tore down the motor so vidual inspection, I would say it is commen sense how I can verify gas mileage, and here is the oil test
http://www.blackstone-labs.com/free_test_kit.html
any other questions?

I'm not doubting you at all, but I would be interested to see scans of the oil analysis. I can't remember the lab I used for my oil analysis, but I've since lost the report.

I can tell you that the price difference isnt that much. My local Walmart carries the 3 varities, along with the original Mobil 1. For a gallon container of the old Mobil 1, it was $19.96. For the Mobil that goes 15K miles, it was $28.96. 9$ more for 9K miles more in oil changes. I may look into this after all.

ALTHOUGH, the list of disclaimers was a mile long as far as the Mobil garentee. Wont cover your replacement for this ... that and the other. One of which was long term idling. What is long term? Does that include those of us who have remote starters on our rides? Dont get me wrong, i think that its great that someone is offering an oil that can last a long time. But it looks like its full of loop holes.

Long Term Idling is if you leave your car running for 10 hours and only drive it for 2 hours ... 15min warm up is not considered long idling ... I have sat in traffic longer then 15min ... Long Idling is anything over an hour of sittng and no driving.

The only way you could have done an ACURATE test on the different motor oils is if you had more then one of the same engines and you put them through the same exact conditions ... That is the only way to get an acuate test ... You can't take one sample from one car and one sample from a different car and then see which was better ... And unless you tore down 2 of the same engines with the same milage and the same use then thats no good either ...

hmm lets see. I tore down the motor so vidual inspection, I would say it is commen sense how I can verify gas mileage, and here is the oil test
http://www.blackstone-labs.com/free_test_kit.html
any other questions?

I'm not doubting you at all, but I would be interested to see scans of the oil analysis. I can't remember the lab I used for my oil analysis, but I've since lost the report.
I wish I had them still.... I did them to see the effect on an engine ran about 16lbs of boost. I wanted to see how well the Amsoil held up

The only way you could have done an ACURATE test on the different motor oils is if you had more then one of the same engines and you put them through the same exact conditions ... That is the only way to get an acuate test ... You can't take one sample from one car and one sample from a different car and then see which was better ... And unless you tore down 2 of the same engines with the same milage and the same use then thats no good either ...
That is a good point, however doing it with any other oil than Amsoil scares me. DO you have data comparing the Mobil1 to the other extended drain interval oils?

What type of data are you looking for? Amsoil even says on their site, their Synthetic oil is for 7500 miles or 6 months ...
Here is a direct quote from Amsoil.com
"AMSOIL XL 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil is specially formulated to provide outstanding wear protection, power, fuel economy and performance for 7,500 miles or six months of service. With AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oil, motorists driving 15,000 miles a year need only change their oil twice annually. AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oil offers a high degree of convenience and savings through its ability to perform and protect engines for extended periods."

Here is a direct quote from Mobil1.com
"You've never seen an oil like this before. Mobil 1® Extended Performance is a new high-endurance motor oil with 36 percent more anti-wear additives and 37 percent more cleaning agents than current Mobil 1 formulations. It is a fully synthetic formulation that helps extend engine life, reduce oil breakdown and minimize engine wear -- all while helping to keep your engine clean. Improvements that add up to exceptional protection for 15,000 miles. Guaranteed."

and here is Mobil's SEMI-Synthetic oil
"Mobil Clean 7500, a new synthetic blend motor oil, provides outstanding protection for today’s longer service intervals — with 18 percent more cleaning agents than even Mobil Clean 5000 to protect critical engine parts for up to 7,500 miles under typical driving conditions."

Mobil's SEMI-Synthetic has the same drain intervials as Amsoil's FULLY-Synthetic ... and these are direct quotes from Mobil's & Amsoil's web site ... these are stated facts by each company! Take them as you wish!

and these are direct quotes from Mobil's & Amsoil's web site ... these are stated facts by each company! Take them as you wish!

It's called marketing bull. I can't believe people, especially "enthusiasts", actually believe this bull. Hasn't anyone ever worked at a company before? Marketing is 99-100% bull, hype, fancy rhetoric and straight out lies. You can change conventional oil every 15,000 miles and the average consumer wouldn't notice a single difference in their car, that's why they can make these claims.

What type of data are you looking for? Amsoil even says on their site, their Synthetic oil is for 7500 miles or 6 months ...
Here is a direct quote from Amsoil.com
"AMSOIL XL 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil is specially formulated to provide outstanding wear protection, power, fuel economy and performance for 7,500 miles or six months of service. With AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oil, motorists driving 15,000 miles a year need only change their oil twice annually. AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oil offers a high degree of convenience and savings through its ability to perform and protect engines for extended periods."

Here is a direct quote from Mobil1.com
"You've never seen an oil like this before. Mobil 1® Extended Performance is a new high-endurance motor oil with 36 percent more anti-wear additives and 37 percent more cleaning agents than current Mobil 1 formulations. It is a fully synthetic formulation that helps extend engine life, reduce oil breakdown and minimize engine wear -- all while helping to keep your engine clean. Improvements that add up to exceptional protection for 15,000 miles. Guaranteed."

and here is Mobil's SEMI-Synthetic oil
"Mobil Clean 7500, a new synthetic blend motor oil, provides outstanding protection for today’s longer service intervals — with 18 percent more cleaning agents than even Mobil Clean 5000 to protect critical engine parts for up to 7,500 miles under typical driving conditions."

Mobil's SEMI-Synthetic has the same drain intervials as Amsoil's FULLY-Synthetic ... and these are direct quotes from Mobil's & Amsoil's web site ... these are stated facts by each company! Take them as you wish!
your comparing Amsoil's 7500 product to the Mobil extended drain oils..BTW Mobil tried this once before and quit selling it.. why the change of heart do you think?

and these are direct quotes from Mobil's & Amsoil's web site ... these are stated facts by each company! Take them as you wish!

It's called marketing bull. I can't believe people, especially "enthusiasts", actually believe this bull. Hasn't anyone ever worked at a company before? Marketing is 99-100% bull, hype, fancy rhetoric and straight out lies. You can change conventional oil every 15,000 miles and the average consumer wouldn't notice a single difference in their car, that's why they can make these claims.
I did 158,000 on my Eagle Vision TSI before I sold it changing oil every 25,000 miles or so and changing the AMsoil filter at 12,000 miles the engine is still in ghreat shape as a friend still has it!..
DOn tget me wrong all these products are good this is just symantics

so is 24.99 for 6 quarts of this stuff a good price???

and its 22.99 for the reg dino oil for 12 quarts

so is 24.99 for 6 quarts of this stuff a good price???

and its 22.99 for the reg dino oil for 12 quarts

IMO it's better to change your oil twice as much with dino than it is to change once as much with synthetic.

Amsoil recommends their drain intervals [b][u]even if the vehicle is still under warranty!!! MobilExxon DOES NOT. They say follow manufacturer's recommended drain interval.

Other BIG point---Amsoil has been recommending extended drain intervals since 1972. They were the FIRST to formulate a 100% synthetic API oil.

LavaBox...you need to visit Amsoil's website and check thier warranties...i'll be glad to send you a copy. www.amsoil.com

How long have AMSOIL lubricants been on the market?

AMSOIL introduced the first synthetic motor oil with an API (American Petroleum Institute) Service Classification in 1972. Since that time, AMSOIL has varied and expanded its product line

www.lubedealer.com/lubetexas

so is 24.99 for 6 quarts of this stuff a good price???

and its 22.99 for the reg dino oil for 12 quarts

IMO it's better to change your oil twice as much with dino than it is to change once as much with synthetic.
Now that is crazy......there is no body of research that supports that statement....IMHO synthetic with extended drain intervals is the best and cheapest way to go