Anyone who has paid the MVA post your dealership here...
Any Master Value Adjustment is just B***S***
And extra thousand for what!!.... nothing

SHORE SCION/TOYOTA tacked me an extra 1000..
and they dont feel like they have to explain why, except that i signed the contract...
so dont get tricked like i did...

so lets see those MVA"s Adding Mofo's!!!!

bummer man

Keep posting this, put it in your sig. Make sure that extra thousand costs them several thousands.

ty for the idea..>!!
sig it will be

i think you should call customer care from sion and tell them

Although it sucks that they are adding to the price, there is nothing to call Scion about. As long as it's posted they arent doing anything wrong.
Even though Scions are "pure priced" you should still do some research and buy from a dealer that's not playing the same old tricks. There are some great posts on here that will show you exactly what pure price is, and what it isnt!!!

Yup... not the right thing for them to do, but not against the rules either. As long as that is the same price they charge all thier customers, its within the Scion covenant. Hell, I have my xBs listed $600 below MSRP but that's open to all so it can work both ways.

I HAVE A STRONG DISLIKE FOR SHORE SCION/TOYOTA...DAY IN/DAY OUT
IM GOING TO SQUEEZE EVERYTHING OUT OF THAT DEALER
ANYTHING FREE
OIL CHANGES (anyone know if you can get synthetic oil for your free ones)
SCION PENS
SCION KEYCHAINS
SCION CD'S
SCION MAGAZINES
WATER
COFFEE
CHIPS

and look my sig down below

I HAVE A STRONG DISLIKE FOR SHORE SCION/TOYOTA...DAY IN/DAY OUT
IM GOING TO SQUEEZE EVERYTHING OUT OF THAT DEALER
ANYTHING FREE
OIL CHANGES (anyone know if you can get synthetic oil for your free ones)
SCION PENS
SCION KEYCHAINS
SCION CD'S
SCION MAGAZINES
WATER
COFFEE
CHIPS

and look my sig down below


LMFAO!!!! FUNNIEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD!!

GOOD IDEA TOO! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

$1000 is nothing.
When the EVO came out, there was a dealer in Miami who was so bold they just put $10,000 Dealer Markup" in sharpie on the sticker, crossed out 33k and put in $44k...
When you buy a "hot" car, always read the fine print...

$1000 is nothing.
When the EVO came out, there was a dealer in Miami who was so bold they just put $10,000 Dealer Markup" in sharpie on the sticker, crossed out 33k and put in $44k...
When you buy a "hot" car, always read the fine print...

lol..ouch thx for your input..
kinda talking about scions pure princing deal though..
but yea there are always loops to get around things..
just beware of the red in my sig

Never heard of master value adjustment. What exactly is it? Was it listed on the contract that you signed?

yeah i'm curious about this as well, elaborate more plz?

you could have always gone to another dealer...after you saw that extra thousand marked in there all you have to say is no thanks and go somewhere else...i was willing to pay the extra grand cause Ed was a real nice guy and told me about everything...the guy at another dealership i went to wasnt very cool so i went to shore and had a great experience...Ed gives me free stuff almost everytime i see him
you need to stop whining and tryin to "squeeze everything you can out of them" because you either saw the markup and still signed or you signed without reading the fine print

you could have always gone to another dealer...after you saw that extra thousand marked in there all you have to say is no thanks and go somewhere else...i was willing to pay the extra grand cause Ed was a real nice guy and told me about everything...the guy at another dealership i went to wasnt very cool so i went to shore and had a great experience...Ed gives me free stuff almost everytime i see him
you need to stop whining and tryin to "squeeze everything you can out of them" because you either saw the markup and still signed or you signed without reading the fine print


it was the only tC in south jersey at the time...
and the GM is my neighbor
i promised to buy the car from him
he promised to sell the car to me..
its cool.. i understand things happen...
im just trying to stop other people from buying from them
and the GM agree's but he says thats SCION's manager now
not the GM of Toyota/lexus... they added another GM for just SCION
yea thats what i get for first tC in Ocean County for 2 weeks

yeah i'm curious about this as well, elaborate more plz?

When a car is in demand dealerships will often try and see it for over the MSRP. There is useually an adendum on next to the sticker that tells you what the ajustment is. It is very common on the Toyota Prius because they are so rare and popular. It was considered by the GM at the dealership I work for to put it on the tC when it first came out, but was quickly shot down due to the fact that we did not want that reputation. What teh dealership did to him was well within the covnent and legal. He is also right though in warning people not to fall for it. There are pleanty of Scion dealerships that want to aviod the reputation of ripping people off.

I think that policy will hurt the dealership in the long run if they do it. They might make a little more off the car, but will lose out big time in the long run from word of mouth.

Not business smart.

Honestly, it that 1000 could be a number of things...it could be a vin etch for all we know...if its listed at the dealership or on their website its fair game. Pure Pricing is kind of a "grey" area to most people. If they add or subtract anything as long as its compliant with their posted info its considered Pure Pricing. There is not a great amount of gross in these cars so most dealers will do anything to maximize profits as long as they do it within Scion specifications. It brings back the old saying, "Buyer Beware." This is why it is imperative to rate the dealership you bought it from on the forum. I have heard some murderous stories about some dealers and the things they have done. Im happy to say that we are a presidents award and signature dealership and we have a great reputation for buying and service experience, breaking that tipical reputation that most dealers have.

i am from Atlatic City, 20 minutes from Shore Toyota. I only go to them for my dad's Camry repairs. (Didn't get that Camry from them, :P )
I have always heard bad expirences from that place. Their saleperson are too pushy. And forgot to change oil for my friend tuneup, her Corolla's oil light still on after the tuneup.
One time after i pick up my dad's Camry from service, there were noise from under the car. I brough it back to them , after 20 minutes, they said it was road dirt the car pick up. They claim to clean it up for me free of charge. But i think it must be dumb mechanic serviced the camry forgot to tighting a bolt or something. I' m going to Turnersville for my tC soon

dang that sucks.

Yea, window etching was added to my car without my request. I was told this was done to all the vehicles they sell. I think it only added like $150 or so, so I didn't gripe, plus it knocked a couple of bucks off the insurance.

Never heard of master value adjustment. What exactly is it? Was it listed on the contract that you signed?

I've never heard of a master value adjustment, but around this area a LOT of dealers have Market Value Adjustments. Like someone else said, the day the EVO8 came out, it had a 10K premium. The 350Z also had a 6K premium when that was released. The Lamborghini Gallardo here is going for well over $200K and you know what... people will still pay it. It is a sick game to play on people who are buying Scions though. The tC is very hot on the market right now, but the kind of people who are buying these cars aren't the same kind of people who are willing to pay the extra 10 grand because they want to be the first person on their street with an EVO MR. Scion is supposed to be a good value for the money. At 17K a tC is a steal... once it's up in the 20s, I wouldn't even look twice at getting a tC.

:no: DO NOT EVER PAY FOR WINDOW ETCHING!!! If you contact your local police department and ask if they do window etching. More than likely they will do it for free or small fee (about $5 to $15). Be carefull buying your cars know exactly what your paying for and how much fees are, as in hold-backs (money the dealer pays to Scoin at invoice, but they get that money back at the end of the year or quater) = more profit. Most dealerships will be happy to take a 3% over invoice for profit. Your county tax office will tell you how much T,T,L are.

In Tarrant Co. (Fort Worth),Texas: (For a new car)
Tax: 6.25%
Title: $33.00
License: $70.80

:no: DO NOT EVER PAY FOR WINDOW ETCHING!!! If you contact your local police department and ask if they do window etching. More than likely they will do it for free or small fee (about $5 to $15). Be carefull buying your cars know exactly what your paying for and how much fees are, as in hold-backs (money the dealer pays to Scoin at invoice, but they get that money back at the end of the year or quater) = more profit. Most dealerships will be happy to take a 3% over invoice for profit. Your county tax office will tell you how much T,T,L are.

In Tarrant Co. (Fort Worth),Texas: (For a new car)
Tax: 6.25%
Title: $33.00
License: $70.80


There is no holdback on Scions. Also when you pay for window etching you are not actually paying for the etching, you are paying for the warranty that goes along with it.

There is no holdback on Scions. Also when you pay for window etching you are not actually paying for the etching, you are paying for the warranty that goes along with it.

Now what warranty do you get with window etching?

Depends on the dealership. We actually have two that we use, one being permavin which is $199. If your car is stolen and you is not recovered then permavin will give you an extra $5,000. Do you really think that people are just paying $200 to have there VIN number etched in the glass?

Hey Jeff I was just thought that was what car insurance was for, but if some people want to pay for it is their choice. Have a great day. :crazy:

Its simply an extra insurance policy. It pays you an extra $5,000 over what your insurance company pays you. Some people see the value in and they buy it, other people (like yourself) don't and they don't buy it.

Its simply an extra insurance policy. It pays you an extra $5,000 over what your insurance company pays you. Some people see the value in and they buy it, other people (like yourself) don't and they don't buy it.

Fine dealerspeak! There is no "value" in insurance from a company that nobody has heard of and is very likely to be defunct within months, to be replaced by the next fly-by-night etching outfit.

My car had the windows etched, but the salesman was perceptive enough to realize that I wouldn't buy that sort of horse droppings and didn't even mention it.

For those who would really want to etch their windows, you can get the etching solution from just about any craft store. However, I've _never_ heard of a car being recovered because of the windows being etched.

Its simply an extra insurance policy. It pays you an extra $5,000 over what your insurance company pays you. Some people see the value in and they buy it, other people (like yourself) don't and they don't buy it.

Fine dealerspeak! There is no "value" in insurance from a company that nobody has heard of and is very likely to be defunct within months, to be replaced by the next fly-by-night etching outfit.

My car had the windows etched, but the salesman was perceptive enough to realize that I wouldn't buy that sort of horse droppings and didn't even mention it.

For those who would really want to etch their windows, you can get the etching solution from just about any craft store. However, I've _never_ heard of a car being recovered because of the windows being etched.

What dealerspeak was in there? First of all Permavin has been around for as long as I can remember so its not some fly by night company thats going to be defunt in months. Second af all I said that some people see the value in it and buy it. As with anything if you don't see it as a value then don't buy it.

Joe Myers down in houston, right? yeah i went there a little over a year ago to try to get a used celica and caught hell. that was the worst dealership experience ive ever had. i was told i HAD to sign a temporary contract and take the car home for a day since i had wasted all of their time. they attempted to charge me an insane interest rate when, at the time, my credit was quite good. when i asked about the interest rate i was told, 'Look its illegal for me to talk to you about interest rates. You have to have a college degree and experience in accounting and such for me to tell you.' i told him that in my job (customer service) i told people their interest rates all day long. he told me i was breaking the law. this was quite amusing. then when i continued to try to get him to lower their insane interest and price on the car, he told me i had champagne tastes on a beer budget. this was also quite amusing since the car was being sold for 11K and i was offering a ~$2500 trade in and between $500-1000 down payment and i was making $2900/month with a credit score in the high 700s. i hope some serious changes have taken place there in the last year.. anyways, the celica had dents and trouble starting so i was better off not getting it..

In the past couple years our dealership has hired some complete morons like whoever did that to you. I guaruntee that whoever it was no longer works here, at least I hope not. This is not the normal practice here and if you check the BBB Joe Myers Toyota has the best record with them among Toyota dealerships in Texas. The beauty of all this though is that the way the Scion sales process is set up the customer should not have to go through that. What does that have to do with this topic though, come to think of it what does any of the last few posts have to do with this topic?

Well im glad to know there has been some changes made. The main person who did it was the finance manager. Anyways, as far as what it has to do with the topic, the topic is about how some dealerships are dishonest and will try to cheat you. I do agree that I am a bit out of place with my comments, but with how upset that situation made me I couldnt resist posting when I saw that you were from Joe Myers. I still would never step foot at that dealership again, but thats my own opinion from my own experience.

Sorry for getting off topic.

Yea, window etching was added to my car without my request. I was told this was done to all the vehicles they sell. I think it only added like $150 or so, so I didn't gripe, plus it knocked a couple of bucks off the insurance.

I think I was reading somewhere that it's illegal for dealers to do that now in NJ.

Yea, window etching was added to my car without my request. I was told this was done to all the vehicles they sell. I think it only added like $150 or so, so I didn't gripe, plus it knocked a couple of bucks off the insurance.

I think I was reading somewhere that it's illegal for dealers to do that now in NJ.

lol i wish it was illegal before i bought my tC
mor than just 150... friggan 1K 1G $1,000 One Hundred C-Notes!!! 1Kilo!!!!
...for me its kinda much.. but ive B****ed about it enough...
and im learning my lesson.. im here to let people know
and not to purchas from this dealership..
have a nice day

NoShio. I dislike my dealer as well. they d!cked me around on several occasions. Anyhow, I think that they may have felt bad for me having to come into their dealership more than 8 times just to buy my tC, but I asked the head service tech. about going to synthetic. They have three free oil changes over the life of the car. He said that he could do them as synthetic. To have them do it normally would cost upwards of $80!!! I think after I get my free ones, I'll be changing it myself!!!

:no: DO NOT EVER PAY FOR WINDOW ETCHING!!! If you contact your local police department and ask if they do window etching. More than likely they will do it for free or small fee (about $5 to $15). Be carefull buying your cars know exactly what your paying for and how much fees are, as in hold-backs (money the dealer pays to Scoin at invoice, but they get that money back at the end of the year or quater) = more profit. Most dealerships will be happy to take a 3% over invoice for profit. Your county tax office will tell you how much T,T,L are.

In Tarrant Co. (Fort Worth),Texas: (For a new car)
Tax: 6.25%
Title: $33.00
License: $70.80

:clap: Agree! For about $20, you can buy a Vin Etching Kit and DIY easily. Forget about that redundant insurance that essentially add no value. To me and many others, vin etching is just an unfair and distorted dealer markup. It is a popular scam! I have a friend in Texas who got suckered into it because the finance manager told him the bank need it for finance apps. Now, is that's what we call "value added" insurance? I heard there are cases where vin etching was added to the total cost and many do not know because the monthly payment hardly reflect the "value added" adjustement. Well, the next time when I go to a dealership, I will still bring my laptop with me.

We actually provide FREE window etching and FREE road hazard coverage for our customers. It costs the dealership an extra $200 per car, but nothing for the consumer. It is just something we do to give our custmers something.

We know that most customers do not see any value in window etching besides an insuarnce discount, and will not pay for it givne the choice. There are, however, several people I have talked to that have had to use it for a stolen car, and the extra money really helped them when they needed to buy a replacement vehicle.

Bottom line: If you don't want something, don't buy it. So simple it just has to work. :P

Never heard of master value adjustment. What exactly is it? Was it listed on the contract that you signed?
this is a tactic to either increase sales to supply and demand and increase profit or to creat the illusion of higher qaulity due to price ( I have two friends that are car dealers) and also my fam owns a dealership but we dont pull jacked up moves like that

Yeah I researched stuff like that first...I feel for ya, but either way, even paying an extra 1k for a tC you still got a great car and in 5yrs when re-sell value drops you'll still be up in the long run.

I guess this is where I thank JP and Mark @ Camelback in Phx for treating me great!

its the T&M that'll get you