Hello xB Gen1 owners! I am Rob from WORLD Racing and I wanted to let you guys know we are current developing a bolt-on turbo kit that will be specifically designed for you Scion xB Gen 1 owners!!

More details coming in the next couple days, but if you cant wait please feel free to contact me!

For now enjoy this pic:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/fabworx/photo-19.jpg

Kits will be available the 1st week of January!

finally, a bolt on option other than greddy


how many miles is the xb your putting it in?

been a long time since we have seen a company provide a new bolt on kit nice....

how many miles is the xb your putting it in?

LOL...125K!

It's a Toyota, tuned properly it will run for ever!!

Curious to see what that turns out like!

we have another high mileage XB get a turbo kit added to it and it did well so I would not worry either..curious to see the management set up

the management set up

AEM FiC w/ PNP Engine Harness

been a long time since we have seen a company provide a new bolt on kit nice....

Only took you uuh about 6 year's GEEEZ!!!:blah:
Well glad to see we getting the buzz again YAA!!for first gen owners.Def want to see some #'s and price.

Nice to see a new Option, but NO xA Love??

xA Love??

xA will be fitting shortly after :-)

Nice to see a new Option, but NO xA Love??

:lol:Wait your turn!! j/k:rofl::rofl: The xa and xb are pretty much the same so im sure the xa will be pretty quick :clap:

everything for this should work on the xa as well if im not mistaken

Intercooler piping and all that will be routed a bit differently.

:lol:Wait your turn!! j/k:rofl::rofl: The xa and xb are pretty much the same so im sure the xa will be pretty quick :clap:

Fine, just as long it is planned and/or under way. ;D

Here's a sneak peek at the xB1 Descendant turbo manifold design:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/fabworx/DSCN0141.jpg

More complete pictures coming soon...

nice

More angles?

DO WANT!!!

any turbos coming for the xd? thatd be interesting to see

AEM fic.....Good for price point, horrible for real tuneability. This motor is more technical than most want to be involved with. The stock vvti under low boost w/ the fic is ok. But the AEM makes no corrections for vvti. If you like low boost and zero upgradeability and plan on running stock internals, which are like number 2 pencils than this is for you.

You should offer a kit with a Haltech pro1000 P/P to get some real tuneability.

The reason you haven't seen much in other turbo kits besides Greddy and HKS for this car is price point and upgradeability without changing internals.

XBG

good point^^

very interested to see the outcome. problem is that i have an auto. will the auto trans be able to hold up to this and be reliable?

very interested to see the outcome. problem is that i have an auto. will the auto trans be able to hold up to this and be reliable?

x2, i'm at 150k miles now on an auto

Auto tranny will be fine if kept to reasonable boost (6-8lb).

Most of the turbo kits out there for the 1st gen xb (Greddy, HKS) don't make it for an automatic simply because of shift points with no control over them.

Blitz on the other hand makes a great super-charger for your car that is very reliable and a whole lot of fun. I installed one of these on a auto and had a blast for awhile.

You could still install a turbo on your auto and use the AEM fic that is offered with this new kit. But you may want to get with Paul at Dezod with your auto tranny. He has been actually working on the 1st gen xb and Yaris stuff for awhile with a much more reliable way of tunning with the auto tranny. He has a set-up for the TC auto tranny which he is now using on a Yaris and is now on threshold of releasing this system to all 1NZ-FE motors. The ECU is by Phillips it's a little more than the AEM but less than a Haltech and has it set for plug and play with a harness.

Lots of stuff is coming to the fore-front for Scion now. I was just at PRI Trade show in Orlando, Fl. and there are quite a few new ecu's with a good price point with alot of nicer features than the typical Greddy Blue and AEM piggy-backs.

Not trying to stear you away from the Descendant kit. Cause from what I can see it looks nice piece with good quality parts like Tial and so fourth. Price point could be right on too. Just do some research for what your trying to do and be careful of your internals.

XBG

Here are a few more sneak peek pictures:
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/fabworx/xb1-1.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/fabworx/turboandmanifold.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/fabworx/installed.jpg

As for the AUTO / MANUAL questions. Yes, the kit is being designed to work with both vehicles. Our first test car is an AUTO, second will be MANUAL...I'll keep everyone posted!

Looking good.If i can get my gen 1 xb to have 200HP i would be happy with that.

That would be double from stock.

So get some internals, because here is where most go wrong.

XBG

So far we estimate between 130-135 WHP @ 5psi and up to 170-175 WHP at 8psi w/ water-meth.

We'll be on the dyno with the AUTO trans version next week :wink:

what are we looking at for price so far?

what are we looking at for price so far?

We are trying to make this kit available for somewhere around $1995.00

So far we estimate between 130-135 WHP @ 5psi and up to 170-175 WHP at 8psi w/ water-meth.

We'll be on the dyno with the AUTO trans version next week :wink:

I'd be surprised to see that type of power out of the auto at just 5 PSI or 8.

Why are you using WMI at 8? Intercooling issues? Turbo efficiency probs? I am just curious.

Also for 2,000.00 for the kit? where is the corner cutting?

That manifold looks to be about 450.00 to make IMO
Tial waste Gate and I'lll assume Tial BOV to match about 590.00
AEM/FIC 400.00
Cheapest intercooler I can think of,besides E-bay crap " Mishimoto" 350.00
Anything less than a Garrett turbo or equal (Precision, Turbonetics) your asking for crap. So your looking some where about 800.00 at best.

Injectors ? If any and what brand? Precision ones will run about 300-400 depending on flavor.

IC pipping? I would hope so, and I would hope it to be polished like Greddy or the HKS kit, so there is at least 200.00 not to mention the welding of the flange for the BOV.

And what about cuplers? and T-bolts or are you going to use worm gears?
this is about another 125.00 for quality ____?

So were at 3,215.00 with me keeping the injectors at 300.00.

And I agree with Paul on HP numbers on that Auto Tranny. You should be using a stick on that first kit to see what you have not a Auto.

I think your way off on your price for quality stuff and IMO chose the wrong Tranny to start with.

Good Luck

XBG

where is the corner cutting?


No corner cutting.

This DESCENDANT xB1 Turbo kit will be similar to our current DESCENDANT Scion tC1, tC2 & xB2 kits and will contain all the same high quality turbocharger components.

Plus...it's still made here in the USA & comes with a lifetime warranty.

For now the target sale price is $1995 and we feel confident we'll be able to delver that! All pricing your questions will be answered soon...just need to finalize everything.

For tonight...enjoy the pictures:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/fabworx/_DSC0158.jpghttp://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/fabworx/_DSC0138.jpg
& it's SLIK RADO approved!
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/fabworx/_DSC0127-1.jpg

Rob I hate to brake your heart but with what you are showing the cost alone on those parts is as follows.

Polished Turbonetics turbo 900.00 even if you get 20 points off retail your at 720.00

Tial Waste gate 200.00

In house manifold you need to get aleast 450.00 to make something on it.

total = 1370.00

You still need AEM /Fic 400.00
BOV Tial 300.00
I/C= minimum 350.oo

total now= 2,420.00

this is still no I/C pipping , cuplers, T-bolts, air filter, Turbo oil line, Injectors.

And unless your great friends with Greg Nakano at AEM The discounts are not that good. And Since Tyler Tanaka left Turbonetics not sure you'll be getting more than 20 points off unless your a master W/D.

As a manufacture and being in this business for 15 years I see no profit in this kit unless it's so striped down that you have to go buy the above mentioned stuff.

XBG

I understand your concerns and thank you for posting them here in the thread.

Give my staff a couple day to complete our dyno testing on the vehicle then we will breakdown the complete built of materials on the turbo kit and we will identifying all the components included to the customer for the $1995 price along with dyno sheets backing up the xB1 DESCENDANT turbo kits performance.

All the high quality components seen in the pictures posted above will be available with this DESCENDANT turbo kit and it will contain the same life-time warranty the current DESCENDANT Turbo kits come with.

Absolutely no corner cutting as suggested...that isn't the way we do business!

Anyways...I look forward to posting all the info on this NEW DESCENDANT Turbo Kit. This is a product everyone at WORLD Racing is excited to release!

I'm interested in this kit, looks good, curious to see what we get for the possible $1995 pricetag, what size snail does the kit come with?

Manifold with downpipe shipped to 32835. Cash in hand, let me know when I can have one of those pretty things

i'm definitely getting my taxes done early this year.
looks like the way to go for me.

does the kit come with the aem f/ic or is it seperate

That would be double from stock.

So get some internals, because here is where most go wrong.

XBG


Yeah it was a dream of mine but well im at the point were this car is just not worth it to me anymore.Id like to have that extra oompph but with the cost of every thing to get 200 is just not practical.Just wish this motor was as potent as the Honda motors :tap:Great looking kit though.

GL with the T-netics turbos. Been there before.......

And good reasons why your not.........:icon_mrgreen:

I think it's safe to say that there is no way to put together a complete quality turbo kit with everything you need for 2K

Just not realistic, not to burst your guys bubble.

XBG

Watching with great interest!!! Scary when soooo much Gen1 gear falls along the wayside. Nice to see fresh gear.

xbgod, your just hating on the price! lol

I wish that were true. I just know as a manufacture of racing parts that a complete kit is impossible to make for 1999.00

You notice, there hasn't been a update on the release like he said there would be for the first of the year release.

Go back and look at the break down of pricing You'll see a complete kit can't be done for that amount. At least not one thats worth a ____.

Sorry dude.

XBG

True, some of it looked custom made cant imagine that kind of time is cheap

Your right, not if you want to make any money on it. Cause look just at this break down:

Turbonetics turbo or Garrett at a dealer price 750.00 mabey
AEM FIC at discount price 350.00
exhaust manifold with down pipe all hand done like shown in his pic 850.00 to make it worth your time.

These 3 pieces alone= 1950.00

so.....You still need:

BOV
Wastegate
Intercooler
Oil lines / Coolant lines
Inter cooler piping
T-bolts
Silcone cuplers

Not to mention the time you would need to put in for a pre maped ECU so you don't get all the retards out of the wood-works calling you because they think eveything should be handed to them. Knowing full and well no two applications are the same. To many variables...which is why you have to take it to a tuner.

But the kind of people that will buy this complete kit are the kind of people you don't want to deal with. For obvious reasons..

XBG

Other than that, there cheapest kit right now is 3k, 2k turbo kit....they will be sold out in a day.

It would be fantastic to see a kit come out for around 2k. Just not really practical.

I think the parts that Rob makes are great and I don't belive he would sacrafice quality for price point. I belive he could pull off a kit for about 3k. But that would be more of a tuner kit.

XBG

agreed^^^ no way could it be bolt on and go that cheap

I love all the speculation! :icon_surprised:

YES...the DESCENDANT xB1 turbo kit will be $1995.00 + S&H. A complete detailed list of the components included coming soon but if anyone is in a hurry please feel free to contact us...other wise I'll update the thread ASAP.

Thank you,

Rob Cardona
WORLD-racing.com
310.533.8900

GL with the T-netics turbos. Been there before.......


Not saying anything agaist what has or has not happened in the past with you and Turbonetics but 99% of all turbo failures are caused by something other than the turbo or turbo builder. I have been a turbocharger designer and engineer for over 15 years and have done lots of failure analysis and most of my findings were that the turbo failed from abuse, trash or lack of oil not from poor craftsmanship. This is across the board with all the main stream larger turbo companies.

I love all the speculation! :icon_surprised:

YES...the DESCENDANT xB1 turbo kit will be $1995.00 + S&H. A complete detailed list of the components included coming soon but if anyone is in a hurry please feel free to contact us...other wise I'll update the thread ASAP.

Thank you,

Rob Cardona
WORLD-racing.com
310.533.8900

I love all the stupid flagged posts!

I love all the stupid flagged posts!


Congrats on the new addition to your family. Kids are awesome!

Thanks very much! It is so awesome!

The 1g xB just got back from the dyno and made considerable more power and torque from the stock configuration.
Stock the b made 84whp@zero boost with the turbo kit installed and making 6 psi it made 145whp through the auto trans and with no intercooler.


http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/6669/01272011123016pm.th.jpg (http://img713.imageshack.us/i/01272011123016pm.jpg/)

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/9197/01272011122848pm.th.jpg (http://img834.imageshack.us/i/01272011122848pm.jpg/)

nice numbers

nice numbers
Its not bad for an auto trans and a 1.5 ltr engine for sure.

Nice

Cool, with that price and those numbers deff. watching!!!

Cool, with that price and those numbers deff. watching!!!


I just got back from driving the 1st gen xB, I must say the B drives awesome. The car makes more than enough power to get in and out of traffic nicely.

The kit would def allow you to make more power on a 5 speed over a auto. I would be scared to make much more power on a stock auto because of the sluggish shifting.

Gen 1 xB owners your time is coming!! I drove the xB1-t today and was pleasantly surprised!!

Can't wait to get this new info posted up!

Damn! Now this means I have to build that short-block. Sigh, it's a good pressure.

Fitment on an xa?

Fitment on an xa?

Yes, we have one scheduled for next week...from my research it should be exactly the same. :icon_biggrin:

Yes, we have one scheduled for next week...from my research it should be exactly the same. :icon_biggrin:

Sign me up :) *goes to break open piggy bank, and sell stuff on Craigslist*

watchin this

One quick thing to bring up, it doesn't look to be truly "bolt-on" with that downpipe. Isn't the stock exhaust one piece from where it bolts to the header to the axle-back fitting? Looks like you need to chop the stock pipe to get this on, and not too many people weld exhausts at their house. Might want to mention that before people order, thinking this is a one weekend project only to find out they need to get to the shop for a successful install. Do you guys provide the mating flange or does the stock one get re-used after cutting?

Any updates? Sounds like this project hit a wall...

The 2K price point is more than likely the issue. Hard to deliver a complete kit for that amount. Especially with all the piping, engine management and good turbo with intercooler.

Keep watching though, Rob will come-up with something.

XBG

It took a minute to get back here on this Scionlife thread with info but we have it ready and here's your Descendant xB1 "Tuner Friendly" turbo kit.

Installed Pics:
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/fabworx/_DSC0061.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/fabworx/_DSC0070.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/fabworx/_DSC0063.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/fabworx/installed.jpg
*pre wastegate. Manifold in kit includes TiAL Sport MVS Gat
Products Pics:
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/fabworx/_DSC0158.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/fabworx/_DSC0138.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/fabworx/xb1-1.jpg
*pre wastegate. Manifold in kit includes TiAL Sport MVS Gate

Dyno Graphs on 2005 Automatic Scion xB @ 5-6psi:
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/fabworx/photo1-13.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/fabworx/photo2-15.jpg

$1995.00
Descendant 1nz SS Tubular t3/t/4 Manifold
Descendant 1nz SS 2.5 downpipe w/ 2.5" weld flange
Descendant 1nz SS Wastegate recirculate tube
Descendant 1nz Aluminum charge pipe, intake tube & black silicone adapters
Turbonetics t3/t4 Turbocharger
TiAL Sport MVS Wastegate
Bosch BPV
AEM Air Filter
Goodridge Oil feed line & Oil drain line kit
Plus...hardware, vacuum hose & gaskets.

Kits are in stock and ready to ship out. If you have any questions please feel free to contact Rob C., Kareem or Mike @ WORLD Racing for more info.
310.533.8900

Awesome! :clap:

this makes me want another xB1...

I'm assuming this is tuned on an FIC?

Awesome! :clap:

this makes me want another xB1...

I'm assuming this is tuned on an FIC?

Same question, how is the automatic tuned?

The Tuner Friendly turbo kit come with No FIC or Fuel system. Its for customers that what to pick there own Electronics and Fuel System. Perfect race applications.

"The dnyo sheets were with FIC and Injectors."

Same question, how is the automatic tuned?

Yes, tuned at 5-6psi with PNP AEM FiC.

not a bad price at all for those parts.

However like I said in the begining, it would not be a 100% ready to go plug and play kit for 2k.

So add the AEM/FIC with harness and a set of R/C or precision injectors and your at 3,000.00 with incindentals still needed.

Also intercooler? thats another 350.00 to 800.00 depending on brand. so now were at close to 4k

Rob, from the exhaust manifold all the way out looks great. But that cheap hose and worm gears and black pipe look like you went, oh sh!t need to cut down on the cost. It almost looks like two turbo kits put togeather. A killer back half but a less than pleasing front half. I.M.O

I think this kit will have it's challanges meeting customer needs and ease of use.

XBG

Rob, from the exhaust manifold all the way out looks great. But that cheap hose and worm gears and black pipe look like you went, oh sh!t need to cut down on the cost. It almost looks like two turbo kits put togeather. A killer back half but a less than pleasing front half. I.M.O

I think this kit will have it's challanges meeting customer needs and ease of use.

XBG

I have to agree with Xbgod exhaust manifold looks great, but the cheap hoses with the black pipe make it look tacky.

But Rob I have to congratulate you on the cleanest exhaust manifold setup with TIAL. I have ever seen so far in all the years I have seen turbos on xb's.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/fabworx/_DSC0158.jpg



You may want to mention, judging by the downpipe length that the stock exhaust will need to get cut pre-cat. I just went through this on my own setup, it can be a bit of a PITA. What flange are you using, 3-bolt flat gasket? Big thanks for including the flex pipe, makes alignment MUCH easier, wish I had done that on mine vs. spot weld, fit, cut, reweld, fit, etc.

xBG, not sure an intercooler is needed @ stock boost, especially w/ FIC and injector upgrade as long as the tune is sufficient, and if boost is dialed up you're looking at a built short block to handle it. Greddy I/C kit could probably be adapted fairly easy to fit this setup if needed.

Yes if you keep the boost like a stock Greddy kit you'll be good. But this kit has a T3T4 turbo and everything about it's designe from the exhaust manifold out was designed for race. The kit has great potential. The bottom line is most people that have a xb want a bolt on ready to go kit, with everything included ready to go. It has been my experience with this crowd that this kit will be hard to move due to no engine management for the plug and play guy. Which is what 98% of this crowd is.

again xbgod is exactly right. I think they could sell the manifold setup pretty well though.

Here is my take on this whole kit which you put on an automatic?

Like I said exhaust manifold back is kick a$$. However, way over done for an automatic or for that matter a kit designed for a guy thats not using a intercooler or racing. offset your efforts a little a remember the type of people you are dealing with.

By this I mean the turbo is over kill, actually the whole exhaust manifold back is over kill for an auto but that's besides the point.

What would of been more effective in my eyes would of looked like this:

Garrett Gt2252 (internal waste gate) so now subtract that cost from your build. not to mention the return to the down pipe is to close. cost on this turbo 622.00

AEM/FIC with harness for gen1 XB/XA 565.00

Mishimoto intercooler 199.00
Deatsch 380cc injectors 299.00
Tial Q BOV 235.00

This all totals 1920.00

So now subtract the cost of the over priced turbonetics turbo. save 200.00
Also subtract the Tial waste gate cost 285.00
and the extra effort to build that into your manifold about 80.00?

and now your at 1475.00 instead of 1995.00

Now add my parts which were at retail for 1920.00 plus your 1475.00 you get 3,395.00 which with your connections could get this price down to 3,100.00 or mabey even 2,9995.00.

You still have all killer parts: Garrett, Tial, AEM and so fourth and a kit that can go on and be driven by the DD guy.

I belive that you could sell this quite easy at that price and have alot of happy people.

As it stands right now, a person sees 1995.00 and go's wow and then realizes they still have alot to do and no real guidance in how to get there. And then when they are forced to spend 575.00 for an AEM/FIC and then 299.00 for injectors their right a 3k.

go my route you get it all for about the same but you get a intercooler and BOV. which everyone loves the sound of, which is why they buy a turbo to begin with, for the sound of power.

just my thoughts so please don't take this to heart.

XBG

P.S. in my eyes you want your kit to appeal to the masses and also save your self a bunch of phone calls

go my route you get it all for about the same but you get a intercooler and BOV. which everyone loves the sound of, which is why they buy a turbo to begin with, for the sound of power.

I actually like that it's a recirc-BOV, anyone working with our MAF-based ECU's should appreciate that. I'd hope people don't buy a turbo kit just to have a longer battleboard and more stickers for their car "Garrett, Tial, AEM, etc." Just lose the hose clamp for something a little cleaner, maybe briaded stainless over and a nut-style clamp or OEM-style spring band, or at least get a hard-mount for the high-pressure side (assuming hose was for test fit only).

The GT2252 uses a T25 flange, mani plate would need to be changed and would limit people wanting to upgrade to a T3/T4 for racing. No I/C means this will also easily fit the xA auto-X guys, who would probably be more interested in race applications. Would this also fit the Yaris to open up the potential market?

Just because it's not what you would build doesn't mean there's not a market for it. I'm glad to see someone's at least stepping up w/ a real turbo kit as an alternative to the HKS, and Greddy which doesn't seem to even be offered anymore.

I would make a sugestion though, to have a "tuner friendly" w/out computer / injectors and a seperate complete kit; all that's missing is the FIC, harness, injectors and a decent map. That should still come under the $3.5k the HKS is asking for retail.

My point exactly. Greddy and HkS kits not even really selling. And the whole point of this kit is to put on a DD, hell they even chose a automatic to put it on. Like I said, 98% of this crowd will never race or build the motor anyways. So why not make it a kit that picks up where Greddy and HKS have failed. Or they have already seen the light and realize that most of these people will not spend a quarter of what the car cost for 35 more hp. I like how the kit looks I just think it is overkill for what it's on and who they are trying to appeal to.

Take it for what it's worth.

XBG

hell they even chose a automatic to put it on.

Umm.. my GT2252 is on an automatic :rofl:.

Why am I still posting here, neither you or I are target customers since we're both already running other turbos. Maybe someone in the market for one could chime in and say how they like what's being offered?

Yes, that would be helpful to see what the average user thinks.

And nothing wrong with an auto, just not practical. Because most auto people are not going to turbo the car anyways. 99% of turbo builds are done on manuals. And if you are going to target autos than this kit, like I said is over kill. The tranny will never handle the full output of a T3T4 so whats the point.

It's like I previously stated, it's more of a race set-up than a DD so no point in putting this on a auto. And to get the full potential of that turbo set-up you would need to build the bottom end and use it on a manual.

Also orginally they were targeting the average DD, hince the automatic. I think the exhaust manifold back is quite nice but I also think it just got a little out of perspective for the DD. No sense in manufacturing something if it can't meet the average customer needs.

We've both been down this road several times and as a manufacture of racing products my self, I see no sense in overbuilding something if the over all end product can't fit the average customer needs. Or is not complete enough to finish the job. I've heard it to many times from customers, "What do you mean I still need to buy this in order for this other part I bought to work."

But lets see what the average guy or gal would like to buy and put on with the least amount of headaches to get there.

XBG

I guess no one is interested in this kit or has an opinon on it? Or are Greddy and HKS right for scaling back? :icon_juggle:

I guess no one is interested in this kit or has an opinon on it? Or are Greddy and HKS right for scaling back? :icon_juggle:
I think your points are dead on about this kit... it is a great effort but could use some enhancements

I think we all can agree the manifold setup is awesome. But I think it needs a smaller turbo like k03 or k04 to make it affordable. The Tial is over doing it. Because there are plenty of more affordable BOV's out there. The piping was ok. But it needs alittle more work so it doesn't look tacky.

This topic has gotten over 200 hits since the last post and not one reply from anyone. Hard to belive there is no one in the market for a turbo upgrade or is the economy just that bad?

Post up people, if you got the time to read this thread you got the time to drop a line! I'm sure they're curious about peoples thoughts other than the few gus that have posted that are already turbo'd.

XBG

I am extremely interested in upgrading to turbo. I could have the money in the next couple months but I know nothing about forced induction and know nobody who can install it... I don't think I wanna try this install on my own. I am interested in it though.

Well if your looking to do this kit you will want to have a professional install done since you are not comfortable in doing it your self. Also you know your really going to be at about 4,200.00 dollars said and done. depending on how much a shop wants to charge you for the install. I estimated it at 1,000.00 could be more. Also don't forget about the dyno tune.

1995.00 kit
575.00 AEM/FIC with harness
395.00 for injectors
1,000.00 install
300.00 dyno tune

total: 4,265.00

XBG

Wow, yeah i guess it does make sense for the install to be about $1000. Thats a lot of money to put into this box. I might go turbo in 20 years when the next xB1 gen from Toyota comes out (hoping there will be one).

I broke it all down for you, for good reason. You are a prime example of the typical customer looking to do something new. And thats great! My point was to show you that as nice as 1995.00 price tag looks, it's far from making the system work.

And then the whole experience of what you wanted to do turns into a financial experience you'll never forget.

XBG

"This is not to say you wouldn't call and ask questions before you spend your money. But alot of people today are internet shopers and just point and click. And not all high performance racing parts are returnable.

Yeah good point. I have noticed your posts throughout the thread ranting about the lack of this and that and too low of a price. even $2000 is a lot for a car I purchased for 8 grand. Its slow, but going fast for 4265 is quite a bit. the time will come eventually when i get into the forced induction market.

i love the idea of a ready to run kit that is priced right but i do agree with xbg that the t3/t4 is way overkill for a dd. i have an auto and want more pep and that bad ___ bov sound that i had on my civic but im not gonna spend 4k to do it. the idea of having a rtr and tuner kit sounds aweome but i think the rtr would have to have the smaller snail with internal wastegate. i really want a turbo setup that i dont have to think about. maybe xbgod should start making turbo kits rtr?????

Any more information about the installed kits?

Hey bump for Rob, all the guys at worldracing and descendants awesome products.

Once my gfs car is paid off and got lil spare cash ill pick this up.

^_^

Show the love peeps...

Fast.
Cheap.
Reliable.

Pick the two that are important to you, and proceed accordingly.

I think it's great that Descendant is making a kit for the xb1's, their xb2 kits are flawless...but yes, sadly, turbocharging a car that isn't turbo from the factory isn't cheap.We can either accept the fact that speed is expensive, or just drive slowly (its what I do) :D.

Any updates?

I have an automatic xA and it is my DD. But like everyone said the kit seem very promising. For the price, most DD can't aford it. At moment I am trying to piece a kit together. I'm certain that you can move some of the parts as a seperate item (manifold, downpipe, etc.) But the kit as a whole for an automatic 1nz make some impressive number.