DESCENDANT xB1 Turbo Kit
12-16-2010, 11:37 PM
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12-17-2010, 12:16 AM
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Auto tranny will be fine if kept to reasonable boost (6-8lb).
Most of the turbo kits out there for the 1st gen xb (Greddy, HKS) don't make it for an automatic simply because of shift points with no control over them.
Blitz on the other hand makes a great super-charger for your car that is very reliable and a whole lot of fun. I installed one of these on a auto and had a blast for awhile.
You could still install a turbo on your auto and use the AEM fic that is offered with this new kit. But you may want to get with Paul at Dezod with your auto tranny. He has been actually working on the 1st gen xb and Yaris stuff for awhile with a much more reliable way of tunning with the auto tranny. He has a set-up for the TC auto tranny which he is now using on a Yaris and is now on threshold of releasing this system to all 1NZ-FE motors. The ECU is by Phillips it's a little more than the AEM but less than a Haltech and has it set for plug and play with a harness.
Lots of stuff is coming to the fore-front for Scion now. I was just at PRI Trade show in Orlando, Fl. and there are quite a few new ecu's with a good price point with alot of nicer features than the typical Greddy Blue and AEM piggy-backs.
Not trying to stear you away from the Descendant kit. Cause from what I can see it looks nice piece with good quality parts like Tial and so fourth. Price point could be right on too. Just do some research for what your trying to do and be careful of your internals.
XBG
Most of the turbo kits out there for the 1st gen xb (Greddy, HKS) don't make it for an automatic simply because of shift points with no control over them.
Blitz on the other hand makes a great super-charger for your car that is very reliable and a whole lot of fun. I installed one of these on a auto and had a blast for awhile.
You could still install a turbo on your auto and use the AEM fic that is offered with this new kit. But you may want to get with Paul at Dezod with your auto tranny. He has been actually working on the 1st gen xb and Yaris stuff for awhile with a much more reliable way of tunning with the auto tranny. He has a set-up for the TC auto tranny which he is now using on a Yaris and is now on threshold of releasing this system to all 1NZ-FE motors. The ECU is by Phillips it's a little more than the AEM but less than a Haltech and has it set for plug and play with a harness.
Lots of stuff is coming to the fore-front for Scion now. I was just at PRI Trade show in Orlando, Fl. and there are quite a few new ecu's with a good price point with alot of nicer features than the typical Greddy Blue and AEM piggy-backs.
Not trying to stear you away from the Descendant kit. Cause from what I can see it looks nice piece with good quality parts like Tial and so fourth. Price point could be right on too. Just do some research for what your trying to do and be careful of your internals.
XBG
12-17-2010, 12:48 AM
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Here are a few more sneak peek pictures:
As for the AUTO / MANUAL questions. Yes, the kit is being designed to work with both vehicles. Our first test car is an AUTO, second will be MANUAL...I'll keep everyone posted!
As for the AUTO / MANUAL questions. Yes, the kit is being designed to work with both vehicles. Our first test car is an AUTO, second will be MANUAL...I'll keep everyone posted!
12-17-2010, 06:47 PM
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Why are you using WMI at 8? Intercooling issues? Turbo efficiency probs? I am just curious.
12-17-2010, 08:56 PM
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Also for 2,000.00 for the kit? where is the corner cutting?
That manifold looks to be about 450.00 to make IMO
Tial waste Gate and I'lll assume Tial BOV to match about 590.00
AEM/FIC 400.00
Cheapest intercooler I can think of,besides E-bay crap " Mishimoto" 350.00
Anything less than a Garrett turbo or equal (Precision, Turbonetics) your asking for crap. So your looking some where about 800.00 at best.
Injectors ? If any and what brand? Precision ones will run about 300-400 depending on flavor.
IC pipping? I would hope so, and I would hope it to be polished like Greddy or the HKS kit, so there is at least 200.00 not to mention the welding of the flange for the BOV.
And what about cuplers? and T-bolts or are you going to use worm gears?
this is about another 125.00 for quality ____?
So were at 3,215.00 with me keeping the injectors at 300.00.
And I agree with Paul on HP numbers on that Auto Tranny. You should be using a stick on that first kit to see what you have not a Auto.
I think your way off on your price for quality stuff and IMO chose the wrong Tranny to start with.
Good Luck
XBG
That manifold looks to be about 450.00 to make IMO
Tial waste Gate and I'lll assume Tial BOV to match about 590.00
AEM/FIC 400.00
Cheapest intercooler I can think of,besides E-bay crap " Mishimoto" 350.00
Anything less than a Garrett turbo or equal (Precision, Turbonetics) your asking for crap. So your looking some where about 800.00 at best.
Injectors ? If any and what brand? Precision ones will run about 300-400 depending on flavor.
IC pipping? I would hope so, and I would hope it to be polished like Greddy or the HKS kit, so there is at least 200.00 not to mention the welding of the flange for the BOV.
And what about cuplers? and T-bolts or are you going to use worm gears?
this is about another 125.00 for quality ____?
So were at 3,215.00 with me keeping the injectors at 300.00.
And I agree with Paul on HP numbers on that Auto Tranny. You should be using a stick on that first kit to see what you have not a Auto.
I think your way off on your price for quality stuff and IMO chose the wrong Tranny to start with.
Good Luck
XBG
12-18-2010, 01:03 AM
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No corner cutting.
This DESCENDANT xB1 Turbo kit will be similar to our current DESCENDANT Scion tC1, tC2 & xB2 kits and will contain all the same high quality turbocharger components.
Plus...it's still made here in the USA & comes with a lifetime warranty.
For now the target sale price is $1995 and we feel confident we'll be able to delver that! All pricing your questions will be answered soon...just need to finalize everything.
For tonight...enjoy the pictures:
& it's SLIK RADO approved!
This DESCENDANT xB1 Turbo kit will be similar to our current DESCENDANT Scion tC1, tC2 & xB2 kits and will contain all the same high quality turbocharger components.
Plus...it's still made here in the USA & comes with a lifetime warranty.
For now the target sale price is $1995 and we feel confident we'll be able to delver that! All pricing your questions will be answered soon...just need to finalize everything.
For tonight...enjoy the pictures:
& it's SLIK RADO approved!
12-18-2010, 02:00 AM
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Rob I hate to brake your heart but with what you are showing the cost alone on those parts is as follows.
Polished Turbonetics turbo 900.00 even if you get 20 points off retail your at 720.00
Tial Waste gate 200.00
In house manifold you need to get aleast 450.00 to make something on it.
total = 1370.00
You still need AEM /Fic 400.00
BOV Tial 300.00
I/C= minimum 350.oo
total now= 2,420.00
this is still no I/C pipping , cuplers, T-bolts, air filter, Turbo oil line, Injectors.
And unless your great friends with Greg Nakano at AEM The discounts are not that good. And Since Tyler Tanaka left Turbonetics not sure you'll be getting more than 20 points off unless your a master W/D.
As a manufacture and being in this business for 15 years I see no profit in this kit unless it's so striped down that you have to go buy the above mentioned stuff.
XBG
Polished Turbonetics turbo 900.00 even if you get 20 points off retail your at 720.00
Tial Waste gate 200.00
In house manifold you need to get aleast 450.00 to make something on it.
total = 1370.00
You still need AEM /Fic 400.00
BOV Tial 300.00
I/C= minimum 350.oo
total now= 2,420.00
this is still no I/C pipping , cuplers, T-bolts, air filter, Turbo oil line, Injectors.
And unless your great friends with Greg Nakano at AEM The discounts are not that good. And Since Tyler Tanaka left Turbonetics not sure you'll be getting more than 20 points off unless your a master W/D.
As a manufacture and being in this business for 15 years I see no profit in this kit unless it's so striped down that you have to go buy the above mentioned stuff.
XBG
12-18-2010, 06:29 PM
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I understand your concerns and thank you for posting them here in the thread.
Give my staff a couple day to complete our dyno testing on the vehicle then we will breakdown the complete built of materials on the turbo kit and we will identifying all the components included to the customer for the $1995 price along with dyno sheets backing up the xB1 DESCENDANT turbo kits performance.
All the high quality components seen in the pictures posted above will be available with this DESCENDANT turbo kit and it will contain the same life-time warranty the current DESCENDANT Turbo kits come with.
Absolutely no corner cutting as suggested...that isn't the way we do business!
Anyways...I look forward to posting all the info on this NEW DESCENDANT Turbo Kit. This is a product everyone at WORLD Racing is excited to release!
Give my staff a couple day to complete our dyno testing on the vehicle then we will breakdown the complete built of materials on the turbo kit and we will identifying all the components included to the customer for the $1995 price along with dyno sheets backing up the xB1 DESCENDANT turbo kits performance.
All the high quality components seen in the pictures posted above will be available with this DESCENDANT turbo kit and it will contain the same life-time warranty the current DESCENDANT Turbo kits come with.
Absolutely no corner cutting as suggested...that isn't the way we do business!
Anyways...I look forward to posting all the info on this NEW DESCENDANT Turbo Kit. This is a product everyone at WORLD Racing is excited to release!
12-20-2010, 03:15 AM
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Yeah it was a dream of mine but well im at the point were this car is just not worth it to me anymore.Id like to have that extra oompph but with the cost of every thing to get 200 is just not practical.Just wish this motor was as potent as the Honda motors
Great looking kit though.